Dev Chat Agenda: October 17th (5.0 Week 3)

This is the agenda for the weekly devchat meeting on October 17, 2018 at 20:00 UTC:

  • 5.0 planning
    • Gutenberg and REST API bug scrubs
    • Gutenberg documentation
  • Updates from focus leads and component maintainers
  • General announcements

If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, then please leave a comment below. Either way, we look forward to seeing you at the devchat this week!

This meeting is held in the #core channel in the Making WordPress Slack.

#5-0, #agenda, #core, #dev-chat

Dev Chat Summary: October 10 (5.0 Week 2)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from October 10th (agenda, Slack archive).

5.0 planning

  • See @pento’s WordPress 5.0 for Contributors and Committers post:
    • “If you’re an experienced contributor or committer who has time available during the WordPress 5.0 release cycle, and want to be able to make meaningful contributions towards making WordPress 5.0 awesome” … “Please reply to this post with information about your availability, what components of WordPress you have experience in, and (if you haven’t got involved with Gutenberg yet) what you feel has been getting in the way.”
    • In that post are some direct actions you can take to help contribute to 5.0, otherwise please review and comment if you’ll be around during the 5.0 release cycle… thanks!
  • Also see review @pento‘s 5.0 commit/branch details if you plan to contribute during the 5.0 release cycle
  • @pento: if you have time to help, please review tickets in the 5.0 milestone to determine whether to keep it in 5.0 (Gutenberg-related), or move to 5.0.1 (other bug fix) or 5.1 (other feature)
  • @kadamwhiterequest for help testing Lazily Evaluate Translation Strings (#41305) with input requested by the end of this working week to help remove the blocker to further Gutenberg localization work
  • Plans for an updated readme.html to be committed with contributions open until RC
  • @chanthaboune: collecting blocker items and dates across team reps, will post listing to Make/Core, if you have items to add to the listing please ping @chanthaboune directly
    • @matt: 5.0 baseline and goal is 4.9.8 + Gutenberg, thus a lot of things that may have been considered blockers in past major releases are probably going to be reclassified as “nice to have”
  • @matveb: last JS package included in the Gutenberg 4.0 RC, on track and could be ready for end of the week

Updates from focus leads and component maintainers

General announcements

  • See @matt‘s post for details on the Gutenberg Phase 2 Leads, @alexislloyd (design and product) and @youknowriad (technical)
    • Phase 2 is about thinking outside the box, namely the post and page box, to allow Gutenberg to handle entire-site layouts. We will replace widgets with blocks, so any block will be able to be used in any registered “sidebar” for legacy themes, and we will upgrade “menus” to a navigation block.
    • Phases 3 and 4 of Gutenberg at WordCamp US in December.
  • @audrasjb: a11y team reorganizing, will discuss during next week’s meeting
  • @chanthaboune: as teams identify new/updated team reps, please follow notes on team rep orientation

Next meeting

The next meeting will take place on October 17, 2018 at 20:00 UTC in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account.

#5-0, #a11y, #core, #core-editor, #core-js, #core-media, #core-php, #core-restapi, #dev-chat, #gutenberg, #summary, #team-reps

Dev Chat Agenda: October 10th (5.0 Week 2)

This is the agenda for the weekly devchat meeting on October 10, 2018 at 20:00 UTC:

  • 5.0 planning
  • Updates from focus leads and component maintainers
  • General announcements

If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, then please leave a comment below. Either way, we look forward to seeing you at the devchat this week!

#5-0, #agenda, #core, #dev-chat

Dev Chat Summary: October 3rd (5.0 Week 1)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from October 3rd (agenda, Slack archive).

5.0 planning

  • See @matt‘s post on plan for 5.0 and leads across the critical focuses involved in the release
  • See also @youknowriad‘s post on the technical overview of Gutenberg integration for specifics on how 5.0 could progress
  • See also @pento‘s post on the proposed release schedule
    • Current release date is November 19th, could be pushed as late as November 27th if needed.  If more time is needed, then we’ll move the release to January 22, 2019.
  • @pento: intention is to have 5.0 out (including some small fixes to ensure compatibility) before PHP 7.3 is released. If 5.0 delays significantly, then there will be a 4.9.9 release with just the PHP 7.3 compatibility fixes.
  • @joen: fast approaching UI freeze, likely by RC if not by Beta 1 (October 19th), though bugs and testing feedback might force us to have to make changes
  • @matveb: feature freeze during betas, towards end of the month, based on work remaining in Make/Core update
  • Twenty Nineteen theme will be included in 5.0 with discussions in #core-themes, though the 5.0 release won’t be delayed if the theme evolves slowly, development will take place on GitHub with @kjellr publishing a post on the topic shortly
  • @laurelfulford creating Trac tickets for bundled theme updates
  • @chanthaboune still following up with component teams to discuss concerns on shift from 4.9.9 to 5.0
  • @pento still working to determine the 5.0 release branch in SVN, likely not viable to work from trunk for 5.0, may branch 5.0 from 4.9 and work there, a Make/Core post will come once that’s determined
  • @matt: open to having 5.0.x releases that are like the 4.9.x releases that bring in some larger updates or improvements we push off (e.g., servehappy the WordPress PHP education initiative)
  • @youknowriad: will continue updating Gutenberg documentation in the plugin (they’re markdown files) while making it clear in the Handbook which version you’re looking at:
    • Is it the integrated version into Core (the default)
    • Is it the handbook for the updates coming to Core (the current version in the plugin)
    • A version selector could also be integrated
  • @lonelyvegan: list of documentation issues noted in GitHub repo
  • @matveb: note plan to reorganize handbook to give more visibility to vision/guidelines
  • @danielbachhuber: collecting REST API-related issues for 5.0, any help on them would be greatly appreciated
  • @jorbin: 400+ open tickets in the 5.0 milestone needing a bug scrub
  • Help appreciated on tickets labeled as Needs Testing or Needs Technical Feedback
  • @desrosj: can help write dev notes needed
  • @joemcgill: ideally Gutenberg goes through feature merge process to ensure security/a11y/etc. reviews

Updates from focus leads and component maintainers

General announcements

Next meeting

The next meeting will take place on October 10, 2018 at 20:00 UTC in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account.

#5-0, #core, #dev-chat, #summary

Dev Chat Agenda: October 3rd (5.0 Week 1)

This is the agenda for the weekly devchat meeting on October 3, 2018 at 20:00 UTC:

  • 5.0 planning
  • Updates from focus leads and component maintainers
  • General announcements

If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, then please leave a comment below. Either way, we look forward to seeing you at the devchat this week!

#5-0, #agenda, #core, #dev-chat

PHP Meeting Recap – September 24th

This recap is a summary of our previous PHP meeting. It highlights the ideas and decisions which came up during that meeting, both as a means of documenting and to provide a quick overview for those who were unable to attend.

You can find this meeting’s chat log here.

Chat Summary

Update PHP Page

We first discussed the current implementation of the dynamic block we want to include at the top of the “Update PHP” page.

  • @nerrad had already implemented a Gutenberg block to provide this functionality. It has multiple fields in its sidebar to allow adapting the text to display.
  • @dd32 suggested looking into a hardcoded PHP template instead, to reuse Glotpress functionality for the translation workflow. Otherwise, it is very difficult for translators to know when strings had been updated. Also, this would ideally go into the theme for the Support subsite, instead of a plugin, to isolate the changes to this subsite only.
  • We mostly agreed that internationalization is easier with a hardcoded approach where the strings to localize are found in the code. @sergey pointed out that this is how all the content is done on the main wordpress.org site and linked to an example.
  • The approach to take would be to create a page wporg-support/page-update-php.php and hardcode the content into that.
  • This discussion showed that we wasted a lot of time (@nerrad invested up to 10 hours into the first iteration of the plugin), because the actual requirements were never mentioned before starting. We should think about how we can avoid situations like this in the future, making sure we don’t invest time in “non-options”.

WSOD Protection

We then moved on to discuss progress on #44458 – Catch WSODs and provide a means for recovery for end users.

  • The current implementation is missing logic for themes and might not yet work correctly on multisite installations.
  • @flixos90 will mention the ticket during the multisite meeting to look at what would be necessary for making it work with multisites.
  • For themes, @afragen quickly tested what would happen when no theme at all would be loaded. The login screen and the admin backend do not seem to be affected.
  • For skipping to load a theme that throws errors, we can add an additional condition in the bootstrap code where WP decides whether to load the functions.php file or not.

Next week’s meeting

  • Next meeting will take place on Monday, October 1st, 2018 at 15:00 UTC in #core-php.
  • Agenda:
    • Discuss hardcoded approach to “Update PHP” page.
    • Collect feedback on multisite approach for WSOD protection.
  • If you have suggestions about this but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account.

#core, #core-php, #php, #servehappy, #summary

Dev Chat Summary: September 26th (4.9.9 week 7)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from September 26th (agenda, Slack archive).

4.9.9 and 5.0 updates

  • @schlessera: just about time to begin work on the 5.0 release cycle
    • @antpb and I will step back as release leads and wind down the 4.9.9 release
    • Over the next couple of weeks we will start coordinating the transition to ease into 5.0 release cycle
    • Will review the work that teams are already in the middle of and determine how best to proceed
    • Announcing this change as soon as possible to provide a longer transition period to smoothly transport as much work over as possible
  • @chanthaboune: “I lead the open source teams at Automattic and am a full time sponsored volunteer to the WordPress Project.”
    • We will reach out to team reps, discuss what you’ve been working on, and what we can do to keep things moving forward so that we can make sure everyone is heard as we settle in for 5.0
    • Current understanding is that @matt is leading 5.0 and any other leads are yet to be determined
  • @jorbin: concern with canceling 4.9.9 due to upcoming PHP7.3 release, some things need to be done to make sure WordPress runs fine on this new version of PHP, I want to ensure the version of WordPress in use on December 13th is compatible with PHP7.3, a very small scoped 4.9.9 may still be needed from myself and ideally @sergeybiryukov @pento @schlessera as well
  • @desrosj: #44416 and #44771 appear to be the open PHP 7.3 compatibility tickets in Trac
  • @pento: seems possible to wrangle a small 4.9.9 release with PHP 7.3 related bug fixes, while 5.0 is ramping up
  • @matveb: Gutenberg leads are near ready to start planning merge proposal for Gutenberg, currently focused on finishing the core Gutenberg tasks, @youknowriad has made a proposal for how JS packages could work
  • @youknowriad: recommend iterative merge vs. a big merge proposal, technical proposal on how this would work was shared in #core-js meetings
  • @sergeybiryukov: some new hooks or enhancements already backported to the 4.9 branch, will need to determine whether or not that should be reverted
  • @jeffpaul: in summary… (1) it appears like a possible agreement with @jorbin @pento (and possibly others who’ve been “voluntold” but yet to confirm) to work on a 4.9.9 focused solely on PHP 7.3 support and (2) @chanthaboune will review existing 4.9.9 work with team reps to see how that should be handled with the 5.0 cycle likely starting shortly

Updates from focus leads and component maintainers

  • The Editor / Gutenberg team released v3.9 last week including the ability to create reusable templates of blocks and exporting them to a JSON file
  • The JavaScript team posted this week’s meeting summary and specifically called for help looking for npm maintainers, so please let them know if you’re interested and available. Related to that, @youknowriad shared #44987 and is looking for review there.

General announcements

  • @psykro continues to look for review and feedback on the alternate devchat proposal
  • @joyously: Theme Review Team discussing what to allow theme authors to put in the admin, possibly allowing themes the same interface as plugins do with a readme.txt file and a View Details link to enhance the theme documentation, change logs, screenshots, upsells. Will look to have discussion in Core Trac ticket or Make/Themes post (and cross-post to Make/Core).

Next meeting

The next meeting will take place on October 3, 2018 at 20:00 UTC in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account.

#4-9-9, #5-0, #core, #core-editor, #core-js, #dev-chat, #gutenberg, #summary

Dev Chat Agenda: September 26, 2018 (4.9.9 Week 7)

This is the agenda for the weekly dev chat meeting on Wednesday, September 26, 2018, at 20:00 UTC

4.9.9 Planning

Focus Lead & Component Maintainer Updates

Open Floor & General Announcements

See y’all in the #core Slack channel Wednesday!

#agenda, #4-9-9, #core, #dev-chat

Dev Chat Summary: September 19th (4.9.9 week 6)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from September 19th (agenda, Slack archive).

4.9.9 planning

  • @westonruter: highlighted this discussion about the scope of HTTPS support to target in 4.9.9
    • Looking for wider visibility on those items to get thoughts on what makes sense to include in 4.9.9
    • Relates to umbrella ticket #28521
  • @audrasjb: Accessibility team has a spreadsheet where we sort all the tickets on the focus a11y in order to facilitate lead’s work (see this week’s meeting notes)
  • Bug scrubs not scheduled yet, when they are it’ll be posted to Make/Core

Updates from focus leads and component maintainers

  • @kadamwhite from the REST API team wants to propose the inclusion #41305 in 5.0
    • This covers altering how we evaluate translation strings, originally with the intent of deliberating a performance improvement to the REST API. In discussions about how Locale can be applied to REST API responses for Gutenberg this issue resurfaced, because the current order of operations precludes evaluating string translations based on a passed flag (required to permit the API to provide translations in a user’s locale). To support these localization needs and to improve overall performance at the same time, we intend to milestone this ticket for 5.0.
    • @schlessera: There are two proposed solutions in the above ticket: one that fixes REST API schema translations only, and one that generally optimizes translations (REST API component team’s strong recommendation). The latter is highly preferable, but includes breaking changes for edge cases (as noted in the ticket), so might need a check against plugins first. We otherwise would like more eyes on the forthcoming patch to validate the approach and to help test it.
  • The Editor / Gutenberg team released v3.8 last week including “full screen” mode, improved mechanisms for styling blocks from a theme perspective, and exposes the custom post type used to store reusable blocks from the block inserter as a way to manage saved blocks in bulk.
  • The JavaScript team published notes from their last meeting including documentation of available Gutenberg scripts, reducing exposure of Moment.js in the `wordpress/date` module, and a couple announcements on introducing a formal asynchronous data flow as part of `wordpress/data` and the new `wp-polyfill` script added to Gutenberg.

General announcements

  • @psykro posted about alternate devchat options. Please give that a review and feedback, as ideally we get to a conclusion during next week’s devchat.
  • @whitneyyadrich & @dkotter looking for eyes on / update to Gutenberg issue#7762 as they are running into an issue where they need to be able to insert and manipulate media attachments within the Classic Block, but that’s not currently possible
    • Also imagine this being a bigger issue when migrating sites over to Gutenberg and all their existing content will be thrown into that block. There’s currently not a great way for them to modify/add to that content, if they need to do things with images.
    • Will review with Gutenberg team in next #core-editor weekly chat

Next meeting

The next meeting will take place on September 26, 2018 at 20:00 UTC in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account.

#4-9-9, #a11y, #accessibility, #core, #core-editor, #core-https, #core-js, #core-restapi, #dev-chat, #gutenberg, #javascript, #summary

Dev Chat Agenda: September 19th (4.9.9 Week 6)

This is the agenda for the weekly devchat meeting on September 19, 2018 at 20:00 UTC:

  • 4.9.9 planning
    • Discussion on tickets to be milestoned for 4.9.9
  • Updates from focus leads and component maintainers
    • Proposal to include #41305 in 5.0
    • Scope of HTTPS support to target in 4.9.9
  • General announcements

If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, then please leave a comment below. Either way, we look forward to seeing you at the devchat this week!

#4-9-9, #agenda, #core, #dev-chat