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  • Jeffrey Paul 7:35 pm on January 19, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: January 18th (4.7.2 week 1) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from January 18th (agendaSlack archive).

    4.7.x Releases

    • Moving to monthly checkins for 4.7.x releases
    • A few people stepped up to lead a future 4.7.x releases, a great way to get involved in the release process. If you’re interested in leading a future minor release, ping @samuelsidler anytime.
    • For 4.7.2, we haven’t set a schedule yet, but we’ll be checking tickets and commits in early February to decide if we should release. @jnylen0 will be the release lead.
    • Reminder for those who helped get 4.7.1 out, please check the handbook to see if updates are needed to help @jnylen0 on 4.7.2.
    • @jnylen0: some API stuff I want to get into a potential 4.7.2, but let me know about other tickets you’d like to milestone
    • Outside pressure on MIME issues not as horrific as one might have expected (ticket #39550: Some Non-image files fail to upload after 4.7.1)
    • Potential that since people using special MIME types (which are the most likely to get caught by this bug) are already aware of having to add in custom mimes, adding in the “unbreak” plugin to fix the problem right now isn’t seen as insurmountable.

    REST API team update

    • kicking off the new year by defining the scope of our activities, and prioritizing what is most critical to do first
    • @kadamwhite, @jnylen0, @tharsheblows, @kenshino, & others working on expanding the documentation
    • As we’ve moved the support for the REST API from the “WP-API” github repo, we’re seeing a few repeat questions that can be clarified with better docs & docs organization
    • Today we finished grouping existing docs from the old wp-api.org site into “Using” and “extending” buckets, which are reflected in the left nav; next up, we’ll be adding more docs for using the basics of what’s there
    • @rmccue leading the technical investigations into what to prioritize from an implementation standpoint (see: January 9th 4.8 kickoff meeting notes)
    • a lot that could be converted to use the API within WP-Admin, but change for the sake of change has never been a core value of this project
    • Whereas for something like list table actions, there’s a lot of inconsistency within the admin and converting some of those areas of functionality to use the REST API endpoints would be a clear win
    • We’re using a Trello board to track the areas of investigation
    • the Multisite and BuddyPress teams are both investigating how best to improve or create API endpoints tailored to those use cases
    • @flixos90 did an excellent writeup of our users endpoint discussion
    • We are sorting out how user and site membership management and display should work for the users endpoint.
    • master ticket #39544: REST API: Improve users endpoint in multisite
    • the REST API team intends to continue using the feature projects model to structure proposed API enhancements (such as menu support), with the added requirements of starting from a design document, and checking in with a core committer for periodic review to avoid the feature project from becoming silo’d
    • Multi-site is the first such feature project that’s officially under way.
    • For 4.7.2 we should be looking for related bugs around the existing functionality
    • @jnylen0: propose that we continually evaluate test and documentation coverage for new additions, as an excellent way to find bugs before they ship and we are stuck with them
    • Regarding bugs, to all: when (not if) you find a documentation issue or omission, or find an area where the API does not behave as expected, you are all welcome in #core-restapi at any time and we welcome the feedback.
    • We’re glad to see that the support questions so far tend to fall in a few specific buckets, but this is a new thing and the more eyes on it, the more likely that we’ll be able to identify the key areas where improvement will really drive admin or customizer improvements.
    • REST API team meeting is weekly at Monday 14:00 UTC in #core-restapi, and we welcome one and all to come chime in about how you’d like to see this used

    Customizer team update

    • Please read and contribute to the discussion happening on the “What makes a great customization experience?” post
    • Also recommend reading through the meeting that happened earlier today in #core-editor. There’s going to be a lot of overlap, especially as the editor team starts working on content blocks. Lots of discussions have been happening there and in #core-customize related to what we focus on for customizer in the immediate term.
    • We’re identifying some smaller, quick wins we can do to improve the customization experience while content blocks are being built.
    • Update coming on Make/Core soon for more ways to get involved and a separate post from @karmatosed on Make/Design for some ways to help us test the existing customization flow
    • Customize team meeting is weekly at Monday 17:00 UTC in #core-customize, please do join us for general brainstorming and ticket triage (see also: prior meeting notes)

    Editor team update

    • Please read and comment on the “Editor Technical Overview” post
    • Recap of #core-editor meeting on a target of a prototype plugin for exploring these concepts from @matveb: Yes, target could be:
      • Data structure.
      • Parsing mechanism.
      • General UI for block display / controls.

    Trac Ticket(s)

    • #39535: Canonical redirects disallow tag named comments
      • @asalce: looking to get owner on the ticket and review of patch
      • will ping @markjaquith or @dd32 as maintainers of Canonical component
  • Jeffrey Paul 3:53 am on January 18, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Agenda for January 18th (4.7.2 week 1) 

    This is the agenda for the weekly dev meeting on January 18, 2017 at 15:00 CST:

    If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, please leave a comment below. See you there!

  • Jeffrey Paul 11:50 pm on January 16, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: January 11th (4.7.1 week 5) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from January 11th (agendaSlack archive).

    4.7.1 Update

    2017 Release Schedule

    • 4.7.1 will NOT be last in the 4.7 branch, so it’s best to start on anything that needs to go in 4.7.2 immediately
    • Proposal from @samuelsidler:
      • Since we don’t have a set release date for WordPress 4.8, I’d like to propose we look at applicable 4.7.x issues about once a month, and decide if we should ship a release.
      • For 4.7.2, I think we should take a look at issues at the beginning of February, during devchat, and decide if the issues warrant a release, then ship about a week later.
      • That would mean we’d be looking at a release around February 14, but we’d update the schedule after looking at the specific issues.
      • We’d want to evaluate issues the week of February 6 and make a call.
      • I think we said regressions and minor bug fixes are okay in 4.7 at the moment, but we can evaluate other fixes on a case-by-case basis.
    • General agreement on approach, though date for 4.7.2 to be confirmed in February
    • Plan to choose someone soon to lead 4.7.2, maybe at or before next week’s devchat, to keep things moving along. @jnylen0 @aaroncampbell @voldemortensen @swissspidy interest in leading that or future releases. If you have interest, ping @samuelsidler as he’s compiling a list of those interested.
    • @davidakennedy: I’d imagine we’ll package up default theme updates more in minor release. Though, we can also release those whenever to .org. I’d like to think through a schedule for that. Maybe looking at things monthly, and making a decision.

    Trac Tickets

    • #39309: Secure WordPress Against Infrastructure Attacks
      • @paragoninitiativeenterprises: propose making it a point of focus for 4.8
      • @aaroncampbell: may not fit as a focus for 4.8, since those should be in the editor, customizer, and API areas. But good to talk about and try to figure out steps forward.
      • @paragoninitiativeenterprises: recommend against punting too far into the future
      • @samuelsidler: let’s think through how to implement it and work on patches for that, then decide which release to put it in
      • @westonruter: Security and performance hardening are ongoing and not limited to focuses
      • @paragoninitiativeenterprises: would like to see this land ASAP, will work on a patch with necessary tests and any necessary back-compat and post to the ticket
    • #38418: Add telemetry (aka usage data collection) as opt-in feature in core)
      • @lukecavanagh: thoughts from the group?
      • @brechtryckaert: personally in favor of usage data collection, but we’ll need to be very upfront about it upon release to avoid criticism; also worried what the impact would be on loading times/slowdown due to communication with the servers that store the data, would all depend on the way it’s implemented.
    • #39157: Feed returns 404 when there are no posts
      • @stevenkword: looking for feedback on approach on adding new conditionals and what to do now. Issue was addressed in 4.7 but caused a regression and code was reverted for 4.7.1.  After 4.7.0 landed, before the reversion, an updated patch was committed that resolved the regression, but it introduced new getters to WP_Query.
      • @stevenkword: would like to find a resolution for this for 4.7.2, but need some opinions how to solve it.
      • Will ping @peterwilsoncc and @dd32 to look at it
  • Jeffrey Paul 5:37 am on January 10, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Agenda for January 11 (4.7.1 week 5) 

    This is the agenda for the weekly dev meeting on January 11, 2017 at 15:00 CST:

    • Schedule reminder: 4.7.1 scheduled to launch at January 11, 2017 at 15:00 UTC
    • 2017 releases: 4.7.1 will NOT be last in the 4.7 branch, so it’s best to start on anything that needs to go in 4.7.2 immediately
    • General announcements: bring your bullhorn, step up on the soapbox, and shout for all to hear

    If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, please leave a comment below. See you there!

  • Jeffrey Paul 5:40 pm on January 9, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: January 4th (4.7.1 week 4) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from January 4th (agendaSlack archive).


    2017 Release Schedule

    • no update on the “new release schedule”, so for now it will be process as usual
  • Jeffrey Paul 3:31 pm on January 4, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Agenda for January 4 (4.7.1 week 4) 

    This is the agenda for the weekly dev meeting on January 4, 2017 at 15:00 CST:

    • Schedule reminder: We need to agree on a timing for a 4.7.1 RC. RC means the list of tickets should be at zero, as a release candidate is supposed to represent software you believe you can release. It is currently at 21. (50 have been closed so far.)
    • Ticket reminder: For any tickets you’ve moved into the milestone, please take action on these in the next week.
    • Getting ready for RC with a 4.7 open ticket scrub

    If you have anything to propose to add to the agenda or specific items related to the above, please leave a comment below. See you there!

    • Marius L. J. (Clorith) 5:31 pm on January 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’d like to see the dev chat address the new release schedule, and how this affects minor updates moving forward, there is way too much confusion without any official word as of yet, and it’s been a month since the reveal (even though it’s been a holiday, it’d be nice if this was released along with the reveal)

      The major concern (I believe) is that we are likely to be breaking a long standing expectation of what is included with a minor release, and why they are considered “safe” compared to a major update at this point (judging by ticket(s) with bugfixes not related to regressions in the latest 4.7 being pushed into the 4.7 branch as well as trunk)

      Somewhat lengthy discussion started at https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/core/p1483136776003730 for reference

      • Jeffrey Paul 8:57 pm on January 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        While clarity on the new release schedule would be nice, the focus today will be on 4.7.1 as I have no insight into “how things will be different in 2017”. I will continue to push to get clarity on the new release schedule and help to get that published as soon as it’s available.

    • Luke Cavanagh 5:48 pm on January 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Hoping for some official clarity in relation to the new release schedule.

      • Jeffrey Paul 8:58 pm on January 4, 2017 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Today’s focus will be on the 4.7.1 release and I’m unaware of additional details on the new release schedule. I do know that’s important to many people, so I’ll continue to push for more clarity on this topic. Thanks for the input!

  • Jeffrey Paul 5:30 am on January 4, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: December 21st (4.7.1 week 2) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from December 21st (Slack archive).

    4.7 Retrospective

    • Reviewing comments on 4.7 Retrospective post on Make/Core
    • We will go through comments and discuss if there are changes to our process that we should recommend
    • Goal is not to second-guess decisions that were made, the goal is to figure out if the process can be improved in future releases
    • Things to start doing:
      • “We failed at getting the field guide and email to plugin dev out early enough. We have aimed to have that out around beta 2 and usually end up getting it out around RC the last few releases. This time it came out the day before (field guide) and day after the release (email).”
        • Coming up with some documentation and ensuring that it’s not just owned by one person is a good way to improve it
        • We should also ensure it is included in the release checklist
      • “The posts explaining new features and changes are helpful, but I think that we need more of them. I follow the trac feed, and sometimes I know that as a plugin developer a particular ticket is important for me to take note of, but it can be difficult to unravel exactly what the final decision was just based on the changesets. An example of something that is going on right now is the a11y team’s work on removing excessive content from headings on admin screens. Often API changes get documented and UI changes don’t, but I’m a perfectionist and I like to stay up to date on the latest design/a11y evolutions as well. I can usually figure out what changes I might want to make in my plugins based on the changes in core, but I’m sure that often most plugin developers don’t even know that there was a change, if they don’t read every ticket.”
        • Request here is to have more Dev Notes and explanations about what is changing
        • It would help to spread the load of writing Dev Notes a bit, sometimes they are time consuming, especially if you’re not much for writing this sort of contextual summary
        • Some components generate a component summary dev note which is a good practice
        • Should we also maybe reach out to the docs team to see if they want/can help?
        • Anyone have ideas for how we get people involved with drafting the note even if they aren’t leading developers on a feature/component?
        • We do list out every change in the “this week in core posts” (shout out to the team that works on those!) already, so there isn’t anything that goes unannounced
        • The solution suggested is more posts, but the problem appears to be that people aren’t seeing changes that they think might affect them
        • Getting to Trac and subscribing to whatever feed is a little hidden. Even Slack notifications is hidden. A more public place would be good.
        • The solution could be to push people to the Week in Core posts, they already list every change categorized by components
        • Someone willing to lead a discussion (likely on make/core) on how to improve this?
        • Action Item: wait and see how lack of timed release cycles plays out
      • “We need to collectively review the “feature plugin merge guidelines” listed here. While development in plugins has become less prominent, most of the bigger projects merging into core in 4.7 (I would exclude the REST API since that’s less user-facing) skipped many of the steps here. A lot of the points don’t apply to most projects – to the point that the checklist is often forgotten entirely. But there remains a need for better quality control and an updated checklist or recommended merge considerations for larger projects should be created accordingly. These written guidelines can better inform merge decisions and assess readiness.”
        • Can we reasonably make full test coverage (covering basic use cases at least) a requirement there?
        • This may be null as feature plugins may not play a significant, or any, role in the future
        • More “wait and see how new process/focus shakes out”
        • Action Item: No more feature plugins
      • “On a related note, clearer procedures about backing out merged features are needed. Particularly if a feature goes through an extensive process to demonstrate readiness and is approved for merge, input on removing the feature during beta/RC should be solicited publicly via make/core posts and scheduled meetings, similarly to the initial merge decision. Otherwise, the decision to remove a feature can seem to ignore the value of the opinions that went into making the decision initially and may not be fully informed about the broader implications with respect to related aspects of a component. If work on a feature seems to stagnate as bugs accumulate during beta and a lead is considering pulling it due to lack of attention, contributors working on the feature should be notified so that they can address the issues or recommend removing the feature based on availability. Perhaps putting more trust in the feature teams and component maintainers that are most intimately familiar with a given project could help ensure that decisions are more broadly considered.”
        • Still a question of who really owns final decision/veto power; @matt as product owner likely
        • Whomever is leading the release has final decision. That’s why they’re a lead. That much should be clear.
        • Action Item: continue to communicate changes clearly and early
        • Release leads and core leads need to be trusted to prioritize based on goals for the release
        • When somebody is unable to solicit feedback, we need to have honest conversations about why this is happening
      • “Add automated acceptance testing for the user flows. If we add these for new features added, we can ensure they work across browsers. And in future releases, these tests can ensure that we don’t break existing flows. Run tests on BrowserStack. See #34693.”
        • Any volunteers to help work on this?
        • Anyone think automated acceptance testing for user flows is a bad idea?
        • It could be difficult to maintain
        • This is done at Automattic: https://github.com/Automattic/wp-e2e-tests
        • Action Item: keep exploring in the ticket
      • “more focus on Trac and tickets, every committer should try to follow Trac on a daily basis. Not to know 100% of the details of each ticket but at least to get a sense of what’s going on. Also, the number of tickets on Trac is increasing more and more, there’s the need of some serious ‘Trac Gardening'”
        • A big ask for every committer following Trac on a daily basis
        • Especially since the vast majority of committers aren’t being donated anywhere near full time (and a large number are 100% volunteer)
        • This is why there’s component maintainers, so that we don’t overburden each person
        • Trac Gardening is something anyone is welcome to do, you don’t need to be a committer
        • Trac Gardening would benefit from some mentorship to be more effective
        • If there could be some mentoring for this – an initial joint meeting to get people started might we get some more interest?
        • We could benefit from improved workflows for managing the resources we do have and to reduce the uncertainty in gardening/contributing in non-code ways
        • Trac Gardening can be a thankless task to a novice who comments on tickets, asks for dev-feedback and then nothing further happens for months. Perhaps the dev-feedback tag needs watching more rather than all tickets.
        • Action Item: generalize 4.7 Bug Scrubs page “to run a bug scrub, announce it here, talk to these people, look at this report in Trac, then ping people on the tickets listed”
    • Things to continue doing:
      • “The combination of a Git startup phase and Slack is excellent. At least for the Twenty Seventeen theme.”
        • GitHub likely helps get new contributors involved, but not sure they stick around
        • GitHub is easier to follow along, post mockups, get feedback, review code
        • GitHub better with searching, labelling, organizing, looking at PRs, realtime updates, making branches and then submitting PRs from branches, plus its app
        • Our current code review process is sub-optimal because there are no workflows to support it (e.g., line-by-line comments on changes)
        • It would be good to separate what is the project management tool vs. version control method
        • GitHub is sub-optimal when iterating on PRs. In Trac, you can make minor changes to a patch and upload it to a ticket. In Github, depending on permissions patch iteration is not straightforward.
      • “Weekly design meetings.”
      • “On the upside, having clear deadlines for when enhancements need to be merged into core is very helpful for prioritizing time and focussing resources. I hope we will continue some form product calendar in the spirit of “deadlines aren’t arbitrary,” even if they take a different rhythm.”
      • “increase the effort to involve different teams in collaborating on features development, where different skills and knowledge are needed, of course.”
    • @jorbin to work on a summary of what was discussed here and post it on Make/Core

    General Announcements

    • Uncertain if anyone is planning on running a core dev chat next week (or any weeks going forward), so watch for agendas on Make/Core or other notifications in #core
  • Jeffrey Paul 3:23 am on January 4, 2017 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: December 14th (4.7.1 week 1) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from December 14th (Slack archive).

    4.7 Retrospective

    • Please provide Retrospective feedback on Make/Core
    • We will review the feedback and then present it for discussion during the dev chat on December 21st and agree on action items on how we can improve in the future

    General Announcements

    • Discussion on overuse of post meta to make searches in queries
      • Utilization of terms as a potentially better option
      • Data could be stored in meta for precision, terms for searchability
      • Not certain this is something that Core needs to provide
      • Best to prototype and demonstrate use case via plugin first
      • Also dev education to understand problem and available, reasonable solutions
      • @igmoweb to write up idea as blog post or Trac ticket to detail concept, gather input from others via comments, and bring back to a future dev chat
    • Should we start requiring JS for most of WP Admin and thus not providing fallbacks?
      • some things that must always be usable without JS (e.g., changing/updating themes and deactivating/activating/updating plugins)
      • the general attitude of JS support (and some CSS back-compat stuff) is really one of “don’t lock the user out” for the most part
      • It’s nice to also be able to keep no-JS support for some of the most basic tasks, like posting
      • no-js MUST work when it comes to things that could break JS or are 100% vital (plugins/themes/login/logout)
      • no-js SHOULD work for basic tasks (i.e. posting)
      • no-js MAY work everywhere else
      • This needs to be defined more formally and we should define what things like “basic tasks” are
      • Plan to hash out language etc. with a draft and request for comments on Make/Core
    • How do we keep bug fixes and component roadmaps going in conjunction with feature dev?
      • Conversation postponed for a future dev chat

    4.7.1 Bug Scrub

    • 4.7.1 open tickets
    • There are 9 tickets that just need merging, everything else is owned by a permanent committer
    • Still no 4.7.1 lead or timeline
    • Could “push” an auto-update to Twenty Seventeen separately from 4.7.1, but that would still need someone to own that process
    • One of the Twenty Seventeen changes relies on a corresponding core change so it would be better for them to go together for 4.7.1
  • Jeffrey Paul 7:16 pm on December 8, 2016 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: December 7th (4.7 launch week) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from December 7th (Slack archive).


    4.7 Issues Reported

    • Caches not always clearing, not something we can fix, but seems to be the most common problem
    • Couple of reports around fatals related to WP_Hook, one traced to APC the cause of the other is still unknown
      • #39132: WP 4.7, object-cache.php breaks the site if APC is not enabled in php
    • We’re unable to pinpoint why lots of folks who meet the requirements still don’t have PDF thumbnails
      • Are there more specific requirements beyond “you need Imagik, ImageMagick and Ghostscript” perhaps specific versions?
      • Many problems so far there have been outright lack of Ghostscript installed, so having the gs info when reporting bugs would be great
      • Discussion continued on capturing ghostscript, Imagick and ImageMagick versions details via a plugin (e.g., a hidden wp-admin/debug.php, https://wordpress.org/plugins/health-check/)
    • Several reports of rest_cannot_edit and similar things from the users endpoints
    • Reports of people getting denied access to the admin area, issue appears to all be caching plugins not being cleared properly
    • #39104: Customize: starter content home menu item needs to be a link, not a page
      • This is concerning for back-compatability and needs to have a coordinated Twenty Seventeen update. The usability implications are somewhat concerning for new sites being created with 4.7.0.
    • #39146: plugin.php gives error on do_all_hook() function
    • #39150: Empty JSON Payload Causes rest_invalid_json
    • Thanks to @macmanx and @clorith and all of the people volunteering in the forums! Would be great for everyone to help answer questions in the forums, its a great way to understand the problems that users are having.

    4.7.1 Planning

    • Discussion on targeting 4.7.1 before the holidays in December 2016 or aiming for January 2017
      • Timing depends heavily on the severity and type of issue(s), and not the amount of issues
      • Target is to get close to a 4.7.1 RC by the end of the year
      • Two bug scrubs happening this week (see the Bug Scrubs reference in Reminders section above) that will give us an idea of what’s realistically close to being ready for a December release.
    • No immediate Release Lead for 4.7.1
    • Handbook reference for releasing minor versions

    4.7 Retrospective

    • We failed at getting the field guide and email to plugin dev out early though. We have aimed to have that out around beta 2 and usually end up getting it out around RC the last few releases.
    • We will post a general request for feedback on Make/Core to capture Retrospective input
    • We will review the feedback and then present it for discussion during the dev chat on December 21st and agree on action items on how we can improve in the future
  • Jeffrey Paul 9:46 pm on November 17, 2016 Permalink |
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    Dev Chat Summary: November 16 (4.7 week 13) 

    This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from November 16th (agendaSlack archive).


    • Dev Chat timing: Weekly chat has been moved to 21:00 UTC.
    • Schedule: Thursday, November 17th is the target for RC! RC means the list of tickets should be at zero (with the exception of the about page), as a release candidate is supposed to represent software you believe you can release. It is currently at 24.
    • Tickets:For any tickets you’ve moved into the milestone, please get these resolved in the next day.
    • Dev Notes: These should all be published this week, with a collective Field Guide forthcoming from @jorbin.

    Dev Notes / Field Guide for 4.7

    • There are a few outstanding Dev Notes, but it’s getting close. We’re waiting on the Customize summary from @celloexpressions, Media summary from @joemcgill, Starter Content from @helen, and @davidakennedy is finishing up one on Twenty Seventeen.
      • Media summary is ready to publish, was just waiting on the PDF post from Tuesday, November 15th.
      • Video Headers post could be done by @bradyvercher, but @joemcgill own making sure it happens
    • @jorbin started drafting the Field Guide, but he’s going to need to hand off finishing it off since he will be offline starting Thursday, November 17th for a week.
      • @adamsilverstein and @jbpaul17 will work to finish things up
      • @jorbin to coordinate with Adam and Jeff to sure the remaining tasks are sorted out
      • @ipstenu happy to proofread for typos and grammar.
    • @jorbin also started the discussion to ensure the email to plugin devs goes out after the Field Guide is published.  That’s a collaboration with the meta team and the pluginsrepo team.

    Release Candidate

    • @helen (thankfully) was able to move RC back from Tuesday, November 15th to Thursday, November 17th.
    • However, we’ve got 23 tickets hanging out in the report, 22 of which need to be resolved or punted in order to reach RC.
    • [Bug Scrub of remaining 4.7 tickets proceeded]
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