Dev Chat Summary – 28 October 2020

The meeting was facilitated by @thewebprincess while @thelmachido took notes. Full meeting transcript on slack

Both groups followed the pre-prepared agenda and started the chat by celebrating the release of WordPress 5.6 Beta 2, please test and review the BetaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. version and share any bugs/issues.

Announcements

WP Version 5.5.2 is scheduled for release on October 29th

Highlighted Posts

@helen is running code review/commit office hours for 5.6, you can get more information about it here.

@chanthaboune outlined the rationale behind dropping the Widgets screen from 5.6 catch up on that and the plan going forward here.

Dark Mode for Twenty Twenty-One
Discussions are ongoing and the team has outlined some options that your input could help narrow down.

Calls for maintainers and focus leads

PHP 8 call for testing
@sergeybiryukov highlighted again that there is need for more testing on PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher 8, we have to expand test coverage and creat tickets for any issues found. A thorough report has been written by @omarreiss, @jrff, and @herregroen about the current state of PHP 8 and its compatibility with WP.

Build/Test Tools
Docker environment was updated to allow for using multiple PHP Unit versions, get more details on that here. (Note: this is currently temporarily reverted to investigate test failures) Also, some changes were made to account for the recently released Composer 2.0.

Upgrade/Install Component Update
@audrasjb is drafting on a dev notedev note Each important change in WordPress Core is documented in a developers note, (usually called dev note). Good dev notes generally include: a description of the change; the decision that led to this change a description of how developers are supposed to work with that change. Dev notes are published on Make/Core blog during the beta phase of WordPress release cycle. Publishing dev notes is particularly important when plugin/theme authors and WordPress developers need to be aware of those changes.In general, all dev notes are compiled into a Field Guide at the beginning of the release candidate phase. for #50907. It should be ready for review by the Docs lead/cohort/mentor.

Open Floor

Take part in the 2020 WP English Survey, if you are interested to see 2019 survey results, or get links to the 2020 survey in French, German, Japanese, Russian, or Spanish, you can find all that here!

Block Pattern Directory Ideas and Discussion
@daisyo surfaced the post for feedback.

@audrasjb is working on a technical proposal for dropping support/security backports for very old versions of WordPress. He is going to publish a Make CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. post and open a ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. with a patchpatch A special text file that describes changes to code, by identifying the files and lines which are added, removed, and altered. It may also be referred to as a diff. A patch can be applied to a codebase for testing. proposal very soon. The topic should be ready for discussion during the next dev chat. Comments are welcome here. Follow the conversation on slack

Join the team for the next bug scrub on Friday

WP 5.6 Beta 3 is Scheduled for next Monday.

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 in the #core SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

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Dev Chat Summary: September 30 2020

Hello! Here’s what happened in the coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. dev chat on Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 05:00 UTC and Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 20:00 UTC, following this agenda.

05:00 UTC core dev chat

@thewebprincess facilitated the meeting and took notes. Find the full Slack archive here.

20:00 UTC core dev chat

@thelmachido facilitated the meeting and @laurora took notes. The full Slack archive can be viewed here.

Both groups followed this agenda: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/09/29/dev-chat-agenda-september-30th-2020/

Announcements

@annezazu shared that the navigation screen is being put on pause to focus on Widgets screen as a stronger candidate for 5.6 – there has since been a post added to the core blogblog (versus network, site), which you can read in more detail here the post includes a call out for testers. If you’re available to help you can get details here.

@francina announced that weekly Test Scrubs will be starting this Friday, October 2nd at 13:30 UTC: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/09/29/test-scrub-for-wordpress-5-6/

Highlighted Posts

Proposal: A font enqueue API for WP core – Please add any thoughts or comments on the post.

Updates from Component Maintainers/Focus Leads

Build/Test Tools:
@sergeybiryukov shared that work on PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher 8 support has continued. All known unit testunit test Code written to test a small piece of code or functionality within a larger application. Everything from themes to WordPress core have a series of unit tests. Also see regression. issues have been addressed, and the tests are now passing on PHP 8. #50913 includes most of the progress on this, some work was also done in other related tickets: https://core.trac.wordpress.org/query?keywords=~php8

Next steps for PHP 8 support:

  • Docker image needs to be updated to use the same PHP extensions for PHP 8 that we have on PHP 7.x: gdmbstring, etc. There is a PR by @desrosj waiting for review: https://github.com/WordPress/wpdev-docker-images/pull/36. If anyone is able to help with that, please do.
  • There is an ongoing effort to fix some function argument type issues reported by PHPStan (a static analyzer): #51423.
  • More testing on PHP 8, expanding test coverage, and creating tickets for any issues found. @andraganescu and @desrosj are working on a call for testing to be published later.

MarComms:
@yvettesonnefeld shared that they have posted the ticket for the About page, with a brief attached. Please add any features that should be highlighted on the About page and release post via a comment on the ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker..

A Google form is being created for those who are struggling to master TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress..

Upgrade/Install:
@audrasjb shared that most of the work is currently focused on Core major versions Auto-updates: #50907

AccessibilityAccessibility Accessibility (commonly shortened to a11y) refers to the design of products, devices, services, or environments for people with disabilities. The concept of accessible design ensures both “direct access” (i.e. unassisted) and “indirect access” meaning compatibility with a person’s assistive technology (for example, computer screen readers). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility):
@sarahricker shared that @jonnyvaughan and Alice Williams are well underway on the feature pluginFeature Plugin A plugin that was created with the intention of eventually being proposed for inclusion in WordPress Core. See Features as Plugins. being developed for #50673. A summary of where they’re at can be found here.

Open Floor

Regarding the Application Passwords Merge Proposal discussed last week, @timothyblynjacobs stated “I think we’ve added the necessary functionality to address the concerns shared in the comments (via filters).”

@janthiel highlighted a small change proposal regarding the quote calculation caching in multisites. The ticket has been around for years now, and implementing it would be a massive performance improvement for sites with huge media libraries and/or slow file systems like NFS using the WordPress Quota system.

@peterwilsoncc wanted to bring attention to #45114. You can read the conversation here. The brief conclusion was to outline 3 options to resolve this (wont fix, move hooksHooks In WordPress theme and development, hooks are functions that can be applied to an action or a Filter in WordPress. Actions are functions performed when a certain event occurs in WordPress. Filters allow you to modify certain functions. Arguments used to hook both filters and actions look the same., add new hooks) and take a vote. Please add any contributions to the conversation on the trac issue. Comment 27 onwards is a good place to start.

@chanthaboune shared the “sure to ship” items for WP5.6 right now. The struck out items won’t make it to betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process., based on posts/tickets/comments/feedback/etc. A full post detailing the changes will be published soon.

Ship: Navigation menus blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. and screen in Core.
Ship: Automatic updates for major WordPress Core releases (opt-in).
Ship: New features from the block editor upgrades.
Ship: Widgets-editing and CustomizerCustomizer Tool built into WordPress core that hooks into most modern themes. You can use it to preview and modify many of your site’s appearance settings. support in Core.
Ship: Default theme, including an FSE compatible version.
Ship: PHP 8 support.
Ship: Public beta of Full Site Editing.
Ship: oEmbed changes
Ship: Misc patches/proposals from the community

@azaozz has been going back and forth on the jQuery update to 3.5.1 patchpatch A special text file that describes changes to code, by identifying the files and lines which are added, removed, and altered. It may also be referred to as a diff. A patch can be applied to a codebase for testing., and would welcome more eyes on: https://github.com/WordPress/wordpress-develop/pull/536, stating that the more difficult part is updating UIUI User interface to 1.12.1 as the build process for that version is completely different. If you have any thoughts, please leave them on the ticket.

WP Accessibility Day is taking place this Friday, October 2nd. More details can be found here: https://wpaccessibilityday.org/

And the week-long WordPress Translationtranslation The process (or result) of changing text, words, and display formatting to support another language. Also see localization, internationalization. Day celebrations are currently taking place! Find out more about the full schedule of events here: https://wptranslationday.org/2020-events/

@helen welcomed feedback on whether some round 2 iterative work should be done on Starter Content to get it back to its original intended goal of also enhancing theme previews on wordpress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/. You can see the start of the conversation here, and Helen will be following up with a make/core post.

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 05:00 UTC and Wednesday, October 7, 2020, 20:00 UTC in the #core SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions.

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Dev Chat Summary – 23 August 2020

Greetings! Here’s what happened in CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 23, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the #agenda.

0500 core devchat

@thewebprincess led the discussion in the meeting was a bit slow the team decided to run a bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrub. Find the full Slack archive here.

2000 core devchat

@laurora facilitated the chat and @thelmachido took notes. Find the Full Slack archive here.

Announcements

To see an overview of what’s happening keep an eye on make/updates, we’ve got quarterly updates from the team coming soon.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

Dual licensing Gutenberg under GPL v2.0 and MPL v2.0
We need to gather feedback on the proposal to dual-license GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ under GNU General Public License, v2 (GPLGPL GNU General Public License. Also see copyright license. v2) and the Mozilla Public License v2.0 (MPL v2.0). Please share your perspective on the proposal from Maxime by adding comments to the post.

Introducing the next WordPress default theme – Twenty Twenty One Weekly meetings on the theme will start on Monday 28 September at 15:00 in #core-themes. @chanthaboune clarified that the team will be shipping one theme, based on Seedlet, bundled with the release and they will be exploring a second FSE theme, after the first is stable, that is not bundled with the release. Besides what was discussed in 5.6 planning post, FSE will now be done in the Gutenberg PluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party as a betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. feature. See what the team said in the full slack discussion and another on-going discussion is going to be opened on make/core.

Proposal on REST API Authentication / Application Passwords
George Stephanis has put together a proposal for this, the hoped timeline for this proposal is version 5.6 but the team is not yet certain. There have been attempts to get other authentication mechanisms to a considerable state but none have been proposed for core as yet. See what the team contributed to the discussion in slackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.. The discussion from here on out will be on #core-passwords even though they had temporarily been in #core-restapi. Feel free to join the discussion there.

How gather updates from component maintainers & focus leads
Go through the post and share your opinion on the best way to gather updates as we are getting closer to release. Please share your perspective by commenting on the post by Wednesday 30 September.

Facebook embeds being deprecated
How will cached embed look after the deprecation date?. There is need to test and collect data on how the JSJS JavaScript, a web scripting language typically executed in the browser. Often used for advanced user interfaces and behaviors. scripts included in the embed will look after deprecation. How will the marketing crew share this information and more broadly with users as a whole?. These are some of the discussions that will be wrapped up in the comment section of the post.

Component maintainers

Build/Test Tools
Continued work on PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher 8 support. With quite a few fixes to unit tests and some fixes to core, this brings the tests from 87 errors and 331 failures on PHP 8 a couple of weeks ago (when the work has just started) to only 5 errors and 17 failures now (still to be addressed). Ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. #50913 includes most of the progress on this, some work was also done in other related tickets here.

For I18Ni18n Internationalization, or the act of writing and preparing code to be fully translatable into other languages. Also see localization. Often written with a lowercase i so it is not confused with a lowercase L or the numeral 1. Often an acquired skill. component one change was committed this week. The Default Language networknetwork (versus site, blog) option in Multisitemultisite Used to describe a WordPress installation with a network of multiple blogs, grouped by sites. This installation type has shared users tables, and creates separate database tables for each blog (wp_posts becomes wp_0_posts). See also network, blog, site now has a language icon next to it. View ticket #51359.

Menus & Widgets have a couple of tickets that are waiting for committers to have a look at them.

Upgrades & Install the first patchpatch A special text file that describes changes to code, by identifying the files and lines which are added, removed, and altered. It may also be referred to as a diff. A patch can be applied to a codebase for testing. for Major Core auto-updates ticket has been added, also there are a couple of tickets that are waiting for committers to have a look at them.

Additional eyes needed on testing and review for backlog on the Privacy component.

No updates of note this week from Date/Time, Permalinks or Site Health.

Open Floor

@ramiy put together a Post & Infographic on WordPress release facts & stats.

@enricocarraro is working towards making WordPress Strict CSP-compatible. Inline scripts refactoring #39941 and Inline event handlers and JavaScriptJavaScript JavaScript or JS is an object-oriented computer programming language commonly used to create interactive effects within web browsers. WordPress makes extensive use of JS for a better user experience. While PHP is executed on the server, JS executes within a user’s browser. https://www.javascript.com/. URIs refactoring #32067. If anyone could review his PR that would be greatly appreciated.

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 30, 2020, 20:00 PM GMT+2 in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

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Dev Chat Agenda: September 16th 2020


Here is the #agenda for this week’s meetings happening at: Wednesday, 16 September 2020, 0500UTC and Wednesday, 16 September 2020, 2000UTC

Please share any items you’d like to include in the comments below.

  • Announcements
  • Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts
  1. i18n component bug scrub for WordPress 5.6: an i18ni18n Internationalization, or the act of writing and preparing code to be fully translatable into other languages. Also see localization. Often written with a lowercase i so it is not confused with a lowercase L or the numeral 1. Often an acquired skill. (internationalisation) focused bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrub will be held tomorrow, Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 18:00 UTC in the #core channel on SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.. It’s before dev-chat, it would be great to see many people there!
  • Calls from component maintainers and/or focus leads
  • Open Floor

    If you have something else you want to include to the agenda, please mention it in the comments below.

The #dev-chat meetings will be held on Wednesday, 16 September 2020, 05:00UTC and Wednesday, 16 September 2020, 2000UTC.

These meetings are held in the #core channel. To join the meeting, you’ll need an account on the Making WordPress Slack.

#5-6

Dev Chat Summary: (5.6 Week 4)

Greetings! Here’s what happened in CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

0500 core devchat

@thewebprincess led the meeting and took notes. Find the full SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. archive here.

2000 core devchat

@laurora led the chat; @thelmachido took notes. Here’s the full archive.

Both groups followed this agenda: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/09/08/dev-chat-agenda-september-9th-2020/

Announcements

We started by celebrating WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Ogijima in Japan over the weekend! 

@thewebprincess also highlighted a post by Shinichi Nishikawa about how they set up the tech and will share the link when she finds it.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

Timezones and Daylight savings:

After some discussion across timezones, the two dev chats have agreed to pin meeting times to UTC and let people adjust calendars locally. If the changes mean fewer people at meetings or involved in the project, several folks noted we can also change back.

The version 5.5 release team is still looking for feedback

Please share your perspective on the process — especially what people and teams can do to make future releases smoother for everyone. Please comment by Saturday at 8:00 UTC.

What’s next in Gutenberg

@annezazu updates the community once a month on all things blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience.. It’s a great way to stay informed (planning your pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party or theme roadmap?) and get involved!

A comment on the agenda post:

 @pbearne asked for feedback this ticket. @peterwilsoncc answered and will give him  design feedback.

Component maintainers

Upgrade/Install 

Will explore adding some UIUI User interface elements to manage email notifications on plugin and theme auto-updates.

Privacy 

@carike reported in: “We have been receiving a lot of feedback, for which we are very grateful. Will update tickets over the next few days with more details on the proposed application design.” 

No updates of note this week from Multisitemultisite Used to describe a WordPress installation with a network of multiple blogs, grouped by sites. This installation type has shared users tables, and creates separate database tables for each blog (wp_posts becomes wp_0_posts). See also network, blog, site, Options/MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress., Roles, Menus & Widgets, Build/Test Tools or Customize.

What if a component maintainer can’t make devchat?

After some discussion, this request from the group: Please add your updates as a comments on the Agenda post. 

Open Floor

@thewebprincess asked the people represented to call out the areas they’re focusing on. 
That morphed into a conversation about people’s desire to dig into contributing to E2E testing. At first, it looked imperative to wait for progress from the working group mentioned here – but the group decided there’s no real block to diving in now.

  • Should there be a 5.5.2? 
  •  Ever thought about being a committercommitter A developer with commit access. WordPress has five lead developers and four permanent core developers with commit access. Additionally, the project usually has a few guest or component committers - a developer receiving commit access, generally for a single release cycle (sometimes renewed) and/or for a specific component.? Here’s how you get there.
  • How can we help someone new — or even just watching from the sidelines —  find their place, or is it trial and error? See what people said in the full discussion.
  • One of those quizzes you get on social media all the time, “find your WordPress spirit animal”  led us to this tool, which the WCEU team used for contributor days. How could people use this — or a version — inside teams?

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

 in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

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Dev Chat Agenda: September 9th 2020


Here is the #agenda for this week’s meetings happening at: Wednesday, 9 September 2020, 0500UTC and Wednesday, 9 September 2020, 2000UTC

Please share any items you’d like to include in the comments below.

  • Announcements
  • Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts
  1. Core Chat – Timezones and Daylight savings – Action Required: Decision time – in relation to Daylight Saving adjustments, are we keeping the meeting time consistent with UTC? Or changing call times to stay consistent with calendar time?
  2. WordPress 5.5 Retrospective: We want to hear from you! – Action Required: Please add your response to the retrospective form with your thoughts from the 5.5 release – deadline Saturday September 12 07:00 UTC
  3. What’s next in Gutenberg (September): Comprehensive post about where things are at with the coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. editor – There may be action required of you are a pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party/theme dev, or if you want to get involved.
  • Calls from component maintainers and/or focus leads
  • Open Floor

    If you have something else you want to include to the agenda, please mention it in the comments below.

The #dev-chat meetings will be held on Wednesday, 2 September 2020, 05:00UTC and Wednesday, 9 September 2020, 2000UTC. These meetings are held in the #core channel. To join the meeting, you’ll need an account on the Making WordPress SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/..

#5-6

Dev Chat Summary: (5.6 Week 3)

This post summarizes this week’s meetings happening on Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

0500 coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. devchat

0500 Full meeting transcript on SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.: https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C02RQBWTW/p1599022834165200

@thewebprincess facilitated the meeting and took notes.

2000 core devchat

The meeting was facilitated by @thewebprincess while @thelmachido took notes. Full meeting transcript on slack

Both groups followed the pre-prepared agenda and started the chat by acknowledging the adjustment to the new timing of the chat having moved it a day earlier.

Announcements

The group was excited about the release of version 5.5.1. @audrasjb thanked everyone who contributed to the release, specifically @winstina and @hauwaabashiya who hosted their first release parties.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

  • The discussion then turned to how best to accommodate Daylight Savings time changes – whether to shift the meeting or keep it at the UTC times which means time changes for participants.
    “ … how do we adjust for daylight savings?” see  @thewebprincess post. In recent years, the switch was made after all countries shifted to DST. What’s being proposed is that we switch that in favour of consistency with UTC. There’s a loosely described process on the matter in the handbook Daylight Saving Time (DST), however, given the more diverse geography attending dev chat, it may be time to reassess the process.
    We need to decide and document it in time for the first change due to take place on September 27 when NZ adjusts their clocks. The group agreed that the decision will be made next week in the meantime if you have something to add to help inform that decision, please leave comments on the post.

Then in the open time, two issues were discussed.

  • Then this issue https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/06/29/updating-jquery-version-shipped-with-wordpress/ was raised by @markparnell, asking the question ” what’s the feeling about this given the volume of jQuery issues after 5.5? are we ready to take the next step, or should we take things a little more slowly?” After some discussion, the conclusion was made that it’s too early yet for a decision and that timing of that point would be best before the betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. release (@pwcc) so the group will revisit in a couple of weeks. View slack archive.
    Afterwards, @timothyblynjacobs made a comment on the ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. “If we upgrade to jQuery 3.0 do we anticipate using any jQuery 3.0 features? Or if WordPress Core won’t be reliant on jQuery Migrate, … follow the conversation on Update jQuery step two ticket.
  • Awareness was raised on  Writing Developer Notes handbook for all contributors interested in writing dev-notes for future releases. Also, view the handbook on Leading Bug Scrubs that was based off a post during version 4.7 it was published recently.

Component maintainers

There is nothing of note from Build/Test Tools this week, but if anyone is interested in helping out with adding end to end / functional tests to the core then check out the post from a couple of weeks ago by @francina.

The Site Health team is assessing focuses for version 5.6 in their meeting next week.

@whyisjake – “While the release team is wrapping up the 5.5 processes, they want to reach out to the wider community for perspectives on the process and what could be done in the future to make releases smoother for everyone. Comments can be publicly shared directly on the post that is to come later, or as part of this form. All responses will be catalogued and then shared.”

Closing Remarks 

GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ 8.9 was released yesterday by @jorgefilipecosta! Of note, the new widgets screen was moved out of experimental. There will be more to come in the “What’s New” post for the release. A call for testing will be published on WordPress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/ after some design changes are done.

@sergey This is for anyone working on unit tests in core, stricter type checking by using assertSame() should generally be preferred now to assertEquals() where appropriate, to make the tests more reliable. This is helpful in the ongoing work on PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher 8 support. See ticket for more details.

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

#5-5, #5-5-1, #5-6, #core, #dev-chat, #summary

Dev Chat Agenda: September 2nd 2020

Here is the #agenda for this week’s meetings happening at:
Wednesday September 2nd 05:00 UTC and Wednesday September 2nd 20:00 UTC.

Please share any items you’d like to include in the comments below.

  • Announcements
  • Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts 
  1. Deprecated JS globals – No action required, posting for awareness
  2. 5.5.1 – No action required, posting for awareness
  3. Core Chat – Timezones and Daylight savings – Request for comments please
  4. Bug Scrub Schedule No Action required: Posted for awareness
  • Calls from component maintainers
  • Open Floor

If you have something else you want to include to the agenda, please mention it in the comments below.

The #dev-chat meetings will be held on Wednesday September 2nd 05:00 UTC and Wednesday September 2nd20:00 UTC These meetings are held in the #core channel. To join the meeting, you’ll need an account on the Making WordPress Slack.

#5-6, #agenda, #dev-chat

Dev Chat Update – Timezones and Daylight Saving Time

Having discussed the following in both dev chat conversations last week this post is to bring you up to date with some small tweaks being made to bring both dev chat meetings into closer alignment.

The chat that happens at 0500UTC is more accessible to APAC region but has felt like it’s been appended to and has less weight than the 2000UTC meeting. After discussion last week in both meetings, the following changes are being made to balance that weight, and to also hopefully help encourage more participation in the newer meeting.

The 0500UTC chat will move 24hours earlier to Wednesday so both chats will fall on the same day.

That change has been reflected in the sidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme. here and in the Weekly Developer Chats page (the calendar update is in progress). Please reply in the comments below if there are any other areas in which this change needs to be updated (on the blogblog (versus network, site) or elsewhere).

This change clears the path to be able to refer to the dev chats by time rather than by region and hopefully removes blockers from anyone attending or wishing to attend who may have felt they were on the margins because they are based outside of APAC.

However, what is yet to be confirmed is how we respond to daylight saving changes. Whether the UTC timing of the chat shifts to stay consistent with local time (as it has done in the past), or whether the timing of the chat stays consistent with UTC and therefore changes locally when the clocks change.

The decision on this should be made before the next daylight saving changes take effect. The timeline for those changes is below in order they occur. Also noted is how keeping consistent with UTC will affect the timing of dev chat.

  • New Zealand – Sept 27 2020 – Later by 1 hour
  • Australia – October 4 2020 – Later by 1 hour
  • UK/EU – October 25 2020 – Earlier by 1 hour
  • US – November 1 2020 – Earlier by 1 hour

So, now here’s the question: Do we keep the time consistent with UTC? Or local time?

Props @peterwilsoncc for proofreading.

#apac, #dev-chat

Dev Chat Agenda for August 26, 2020

Here is the #agenda for this week’s meeting happening later today: Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2. Please share any items you’d like to include in the comments below.

  • Announcements
  • Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts 
  1. Discussion on the proposal to drop support for old PHP versions via a fixed schedule
  2. Request for Input: Consent Preferences for Logged In Users (Consent API)
  3. Request for comments on Dev Chat – APAC Edition Meeting Summary – August 20 2020
  4. Timing of release WordPress 5.5.1
  • Calls from component maintainers
  • Open Floor

If you have something else you want to include to the agenda, please mention it in the comments below.

The #dev-chat  meeting will be held on Wednesday, August 26, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2. This meeting is held in the #core channel. To join the meeting, you’ll need an account on the Making WordPress Slack.

#5-5, #5-5-1, #5-6, #agenda, #dev-chat