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The previously monolithic “Post Comments” blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. has been updated to work in a more flexible and modular way by using child blocks. The new version is now called the “Comments Query LoopLoop The Loop is PHP code used by WordPress to display posts. Using The Loop, WordPress processes each post to be displayed on the current page, and formats it according to how it matches specified criteria within The Loop tags. Any HTML or PHP code in the Loop will be processed on each post. https://codex.wordpress.org/The_Loop.” block, and it comes with new blocks that can be used as child blocks within it. These new Comments blocks allow users to define and change the layout of the post comments directly from the GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ editor.
This post is a call for users to test the new blocks that can be used to build a comments section in a page or post (following the block paradigm). The results of this testing will allow the contributors behind the development of these blocks to decide whether or not they are ready to be included in the next release of WordPress (v6.0)
Please report your findings either as issues on GithubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ in the Gutenberg repository ,or in the comments below. If you have triage access, labelling any issue with “[Block] Comments Query Loop” would be very helpful. Alternatively, you can start the title of your issue with “Comments Blocks: ” to help those triaging the issues to label them appropriately.
The “Post Comments” block is the block that currently manages a comments section on a post or page,
For example, the Twenty-Twenty-Two theme uses this block in its “Single Post” template
But with this “Post Comments” block no option exists to change the styles and the layout of the comments from within the Editor. This block uses the comments_template() function internally to generate the HTMLHTML HTML is an acronym for Hyper Text Markup Language. It is a markup language that is used in the development of web pages and websites. for that section and the styles are defined via CSSCSS CSS is an acronym for cascading style sheets. This is what controls the design or look and feel of a site. files.
So, in summary, if you want to customize your comments section (change styles and layout) when using this “Post Comments” block you have to do a bit of coding
With the new Comments Query Loop block, you now have available a set of child blocks that enable you to customize the layout and styles of this section directly from within the Editor.
The new Comments Blocks that are available from Gutenberg v13.0 are:
The addition of these blocks to Gutenberg is just the beginning. With these blocks, in the future you will be able to create and share your own patterns for a comments section.
While there’s more information below to ensure you get everything set up properly, here are the key things to consider with regard to your testing environment:
gutenberg.zip available from the release page). Set proper pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party and themes
Customize the “Single Post” template to use the new “Comments Query Loop” block
Customize the Comments blocks styles and layouts and check the result of your changes in the frontend
In order to ensure you have comments to play with you can add demo content to your WordPress
Insert the “Post Comments Form” block to check the behavior of the Comment Reply Link and the ability to insert new comments
The “Post Comments Form” cannot itself be customised via the Block Editor as yet. There’s an issue open to work on this but for the purpose of this testing we can just use it as it is and focus the testing on the display of the comments
So, what type of things can you test with these blocks?
This Call for Testing is mainly to check that these blocks work as expected, that is, the changes in the styles and layout work as expected without bugs.
But just to provide some guidance, here are some aspects we specifically would like to have some feedback about:
Try to replicate a specific design on your comments section and check that you’re able to implement that design using just the Block Editor. For example you could try to apply a Duotone filterFilter Filters are one of the two types of Hooks https://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API/Hooks. They provide a way for functions to modify data of other functions. They are the counterpart to Actions. Unlike Actions, filters are meant to work in an isolated manner, and should never have side effects such as affecting global variables and output. to the Avatar, or perhaps a two column layout with the avatar on the left and rest of the content on the right – let your imagination run wild!
Check that the comments section is fully accessible in both the Editor and the Frontend and report any issues you find in this regard.
Go to Settings > Discussion and check that the different options are fully compatible with the new Comments blocks (i.e. that they work as expected according to the options that have been enabled/disabled).
Test that the pagination links work as expected. To test this you’ll need enough comments for the comments to actually paginate. Comment pagination also needs to be enabled in the WordPress admin under Settings -> Discussion -> Break comments into pages
Thank you for helping to test these new Comments Blocks! With the adoption of Full Site Editing, bringing the power and flexibility of blocks to more parts of the page is really helpful in enabling users to customise their layouts and take full control of their sites.
Thanks to @mburridge @cbravobernal @santosguillamot for reviewing and helping shape this post
Howdy, good people! 👋
In the spirit of improving the E2E developer experience, I’d like to make a case for migrating CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress.’s browser automation library to Playwright. I was asked to write this post after opening an experimental pull request, where I migrated a selected portion of specs to Playwright, making them available for running both locally and on CI. That happened some time ago, so there’s already been quite a bit of discussion going on there! Having said that, I’m going to try making the case again here, taking the feedback I’ve received so far into consideration. I also encourage you to check out the PR to see the implementation details and Playwright advantages in action.
It’s easier to write stable tests.
There are a few reasons why. Please read on to find out which ones I think are the most relevant for the project.
Playwright’s API is almost identical to Puppeteer’s, which means that the developer transition should be close to effortless. I think that’s a big factor here, as it significantly lowers the cost of this transition also from the migrationMigration Moving the code, database and media files for a website site from one server to another. Most typically done when changing hosting companies. side. A good thing to start with! 🤞
From the documentation:
Playwright performs a range of actionability checks on the elements before making actions to ensure these actions behave as expected. It auto-waits for all the relevant checks to pass and only then performs the requested action. (…)
I think it’s the number one reason for the stability improvement over Puppeteer. In practice, it means the following:
Most of the DOM changes happen asynchronously, so in order to avoid flaky behavior, a test usually explicitly wait for an element before performing an action on it. A good example would be the most frequently used click action, which usually looks like this when performed with Puppeteer:
const button = await page.waitForSelector( 'button' );
await button.click();With Playwright, thanks to the auto-waiting mechanism it becomes just:
await page.click( 'button' )This is thanks to the stability check, which makes sure the element has a bounding box and is not moving before the action is performed. I think this is a major advantage because it allows to fully test the application, including the CSS animations, which are an integral part of the user interface.
In my PR, as a proof of concept, I removed the code that disables CSS animations and the forced reduced motion, which slowed down the refactored tests (21 suites) by around 37 seconds. This number will grow with every test, but judging by the current data it shouldn’t be more than a few minutes in total. I’d say the trade-off would still be worth it, but this can be discussed and decided upon later.
What do you think about testing without animations? Should they be enabled if it’s possible, even for the cost of extra wait?
In general, all of the above comes down to writing less and simpler code to get the same or better results than Puppeteer. If you go to my PR, you’ll notice that there are more lines removed than added in the refactored tests!
With Playwright, the tests and test utilities are easier to write and follow, and the environment requires less customization (e.g. disabled animations) which actually makes it closer to what users are experiencing.
Are there any downsides to the auto-waiting mechanism?
There were some concerns about how this mechanism could affect the performance tests. Because it could potentially become a blocking factor for this migration, I decided to migrate Gutenberg’s performance specs to Playwright as a proof of concept and see what happens. So far, thankfully it looks like there isn’t much difference between Puppeteer and Playwright — the performance metrics are very close, which would be the desired outcome.
Do you think there could be any downsides to the auto-waiting mechanism? Please let me know in the comments!
This part has changed a bit due to some feedback received in the PR. Originally, I mentioned text selectors and layout-based selectors as the number one reason for making the tests and utilities easier to write and follow, as well as making them more resilient. While prioritizing user-facing attributes is still a good practice for most applications, GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ is a bit different in this regard. Apparently, CSS classes are considered to be the API there, so they change less often than the user interface. Nevertheless, as some folks noticed advanced selectors are still a big win as they’d allow to, e.g. drop the use of cumbersome XPath selectors and more with powerful selector chaining. Currently, with Puppeteer, CSS selectors can only be used.
Learn more about Playwright’s advanced selectors from https://playwright.dev/docs/selectors.
The built-in Inspector is also a big advantage of Playwright. It’s quite intuitive and has some neat features like stepping through the script while running headfully or dynamically recording actions to a script — a really convenient way of quickly drafting the test. See the video below for a short demo of the script recorder.
Playwright offers a complete tracing solution. Trace can be recorded and stored in a zip file, which then can be viewed via the Trace Viewer GUI:
On the image above, you can see that the trace is displayed in a form of a film strip. Each frame can contain Before, Action, and After snapshots visualizing a complete action execution. On the left-hand side is a list of all the actions Playwright performed. Each of them can be inspected in more detail in the section on the right-hand side, where you can switch between the action log, location in the source code, and the network log.
I think it’s great to have that kind of functionality out of the box. It also shows how Playwright is intended to be a complete testing solution. With Puppeteer, there aren’t really any first-party tools for debugging, as far as I’m aware – The suggested way is to either slow down the tests in headful mode with DevTools open or use the Node.js Debugger when running headlessly.
Learn more about Playwright’s debugging tools from https://playwright.dev/docs/debug.
If there’s a goal to expand testing to browsers other than Chrome, it wouldn’t be an issue for Playwright as it supports all other major players: Firefox, WebKit, and Microsoft Edge. At the time of writing this, Puppeteer supports only Chrome and Chromium, and the official support of Firefox is currently experimental.
Learn more about Playwright browser support from https://playwright.dev/docs/browsers.
Playwright has a first-party test-runner, which is very similar to Jest test-runner (currently used for Puppeteer) but written from scratch. It contains a lot of end-to-end testing utils, tooling, concurrency, reporting, assertions, artifacts, etc., and extensive configuration support. Another quite nice thing to have without having to install and rely on third-party libraries!
Learn more about Playwright Test from https://playwright.dev/docs/intro.
I think it deserves a mention here, as it’s easy to navigate and really well written, in my opinion. Please take a few minutes and check it out for yourself at https://playwright.dev/docs/api/class-playwright – maybe you’ll find even more reasons to switch to Playwright? 😉
Writing good, stable E2E tests is often a struggle. If there’s a chance of improving that, especially with such a low cost, then it should be done. I would be happy to work on this task if there’s a consensus to move it forward.
Thanks for reading. I’m looking forward to all the feedback!
Props to @hellofromtonya and @boniu91 for proofreading!
With the Go/No Go Next Steps outlined ahead of WordPress 5.8’s release in July 2021, let’s use this time to dig into any general questions you all might have around Full Site Editing! If possible, please focus questions specifically around WordPress 5.8 as those will be the most high impact to address. You are welcome to submit questions using the form below or to leave them as a comment on this post by May 12th:
Keep in mind that because, depending on the questions it’s likely that some answers might take the form of “people are working to figure this out and feedback is welcome here,” rather than a definitive answer. This is especially true for features/milestones that are planned for the 5.9 release.
Where will you share the answers?
I’ll share a recap post on this blog (Make Test). Questions will be grouped with corresponding answers for easy review. You can see what the outcome will look like based on the first round here. I will track down answers to every question and share my work as I go by creating a collaborative Google doc where people can help find answers or simply see how the work evolves. I very much welcome collaboration here!
While the main result will be a lovely list of answers, this collective effort will also be useful for future documentation updates and potential tutorials. Once the post is published, I will follow up via email with everyone who left their email and a question in the form. For anyone who leaves a question as a comment on this post, I will @ your username in the recap post so you don’t miss out too!
For more information about this experimental program, please review this FAQ for helpful details. To properly join the fun, please head to #fse-outreach-experiment in Make Slack for future testing announcements, helpful posts, and more will be shared there. To help with planning your involvement, you can see the upcoming/current schedule for the FSE Outreach Program here.
#fse-outreach-program #full-site-editing #gutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ #coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress.-editor #fse-testing-call
The fifth call for testing is already underway, so join #fse-outreach-experiment in slack and/or subscribe to this Make blog and stay tuned for more.
This post is a summary of the fourth call for testing for the experimental FSE outreach program. Thank you to everyone who participated, whether through testing directly or sharing the call for testing with others. It all helps! Special thanks to the following people:
How far can one go?
It’s always fun to see how far people can take these tests in creating something cool without code. Here are a few screenshots of people’s creations that make me hungry just looking at them:
High-Level Feedback
Here’s what a few folks had to say about the overall experience that’s important to keep in mind as you read the rest of this post:
All of this could be because of my inexperience with GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ the pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. I’m used to working with Astra and other blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. libraries rather than the coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. blocks.
@suhayse in this comment.
The most problematic issue is that what I saw in the editor was not what I got on the front end. I have played around with it enough to know in my mind what it might look like on the front end to make adjustments without previewing the changes. However, that is not the user experience that WordPress is shooting for.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern post.
Most of us were confused by the current UXUX UX is an acronym for User Experience - the way the user uses the UI. Think ‘what they are doing’ and less about how they do it. and UIUI UI is an acronym for User Interface - the layout of the page the user interacts with. Think ‘how are they doing that’ and less about what they are doing. of the full site editing experience. For some of our colleagues, this was the first time using the block editor for a whole day.
@francesca in this Yoast blog post.
Repeated Feedback: Improving saving, desire for a preview option, and differences in spacing
As with last time, to better consolidate repeated pieces of feedback, this section only contains new bugs or enhancement requests while still sharing quotes that highlight how these areas continue to be a pain pointPain point Pain points are “places where you know from research or analytics that users are currently getting hung up and have to ask questions, or are likely to abandon the site or app.” — Design for Real Life. In this case, keep in mind that spacing refers to everything from differences between the front end and back end to enhancement requests around setting the width of various blocks. In general, though, it further underscores how the differences in experience between the editor and front end break the promise of WYSIWYGWhat You See Is What You Get What You See Is What You Get. Most commonly used in relation to editors, where changes made in edit mode reflect exactly as they will translate to the published page. currently. Thankfully, lots of work is underway to continue iterating on this aspect of the experience!
One frustration point was the ability to preview as others have mentioned (the live site definitely looked different from the dashboard preview). When I did view the live site, there wasn’t any margin or padding on the main headerHeader The header of your site is typically the first thing people will experience. The masthead or header art located across the top of your page is part of the look and feel of your website. It can influence a visitor’s opinion about your content and you/ your organization’s brand. It may also look different on different screen sizes. section but there was on the added column set on the top, even though both were set to full width. I tried changing that main header column width back to wide, saving, then going back to full width but it didn’t help.
@suhayse in this comment.
Another thing I noticed was that some small changes, like adjusting the percentage width of the individual columns didn’t activate the “update design” button.
@suhayse in this comment.
I click to Update Design. As there is not yet any simple way to preview on the frontend like we do in the Post/Page screen. I copy the site address url and open a new browser tab and paste it into the new tab to see the frontend. The frontend does not show any margin along the left edge.
@paaljoachim in this comment.
I noticed along the way that the Update Design button was greyed out on occasion when I made some adjustments inside the Cover block and other inner blocks. I had to click into various blocks to get the Design button active again so that I could save. (This seemed a bit hard to track.)
@paaljoachim in this comment.
The site editor makes it looks like there is a small margin all around the full-width header. On the site itself, this isn’t seen. I had set a background color for the full-width header which is edge to edge on the site, but has a margin all around it in the editor.
@kristengunther in this comment.
Columns Block Improvements
Because this call for testing required people to make great use of the Columns Block, it was also the focus of a lot of feedback from various participants. Overall, this feedback mainly came down to two interrelated areas: difficulty navigating between nested blocks and confusion around properly setting width. What follows are the new issues created as a result of this call for testing:
Testing was smooth overall except when it came to setting the Columns Block to full-width (both in the header and body of the page in the Site Editor). I was unable to set the block to full-width within the Block Toolbar settings. I was able to do this outside of the Site Editor on a fresh page though.
@synorae in this comment.
I see no visual difference from selecting Wide width or Full width in the backend.
@paaljoachim in this comment.
It’s not clear that the symbol/icon is Full width. It would make sense to have arrows to indicate that it should be full width.
Anonymous Yoast employee in this GitHub issue.
I don’t see an option for full width? Ah it’s under alignment. “Alignment” sounds like left/center/right, not the size. What’s the difference between wide and full wide? I don’t see much difference in the preview.
Anonymous Yoast employee in this GitHub issue.
Setting Styles
As part of this test, people explored setting various styles to customize their heading to their liking and bring to life the feeling of a restaurant. Similar to the complexity in navigating between nested Column Blocks, though, setting styles proved to be pretty confusing considering how unintuitive it was to figure out how to properly select and then style the section one wanted to. Tied to this, it wasn’t always clear where one could find the setting that would do what they wanted since various settings are spread across the block toolbar and block settings. In some cases, the setting to accomplish something doesn’t exist yet too! As more work is underway to add in more styling options and normalize block level controls in a more intuitive way, this is an area ripe for continued iteration.
This is global settings vs individual page template settings. It’s pretty confusing right now. I don’t know exactly where I would set universal global header colors. I would expect to be able to do that in the Template Parts/Header but I don’t immediately see how to do that.
@suhayse in this comment.
I found I had to set the background color for my header 3 times, once for the index template (like in your video), once on the page home template, and once on the page template.
@kristengunther in this comment.
Discoverability of settings, not ideal. Some things are in the popup toolbars, others in the sidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme. (both in Site Editor and Appearance), other in the top toolbar. You had to find the cog and the Global Style icons to open more settings.
@francina in this comment.
When you are new to this, you are really wondering if you need to find the settings in the list overview left sidebar, or the cogwheel right sidebar or on the block itself, all the options are all over the place.
Anonymous Yoast employee in this GitHub issue.
Why does the column change size when changing the color in the settings? At least it definitely seemed like it happened that way. That’s unnecessary and unexpected.
Anonymous Yoast employee in this GitHub issue.
General enhancements & feature requests
As with every call for testing, it’s not just for finding bugs! It’s also important to hear about features that people reach for and find are missing. This section is a “catch-all” to cover all additional features that were reported that didn’t nicely correspond with a particular block or categoryCategory The 'category' taxonomy lets you group posts / content together that share a common bond. Categories are pre-defined and broad ranging.. This only includes new feedback and doesn’t include previous findings from prior tests:
Flow is the actual user experience, in many ways. If you like, you can think of flow as a really comprehensive set of user stories. When you think about user flow, you’re thinking about exactly how a user will perform the tasks allowed by your product.Flow and Context.
Like the first design I was shooting for, I wanted my Navigation items to look like individual buttons, each with a bit of whitespace in between. However, the Navigation block does not currently support adding backgrounds to each nav item. Even if it did, it also does not have a horizontal margin setting to add the spacing.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern post.
Collection of Miscellaneous Bugs
Because this was a more open call for testing, not all bugs fit nicely into a category or theme with many of them being standalone problems. To make it easier for those working on full site editing to get a sense of bugs at a glance, they have all been shared here:
A third call for testing is already underway so join #fse-outreach-experiment in slack and/or subscribe to this Make blog and stay tuned for more.
This post is a summary of the second call for testing for the experimental FSE outreach program. Thank you to everyone who participated, whether through testing directly or sharing the call for testing with others. It all helps! Special thanks to the following people:
Related feedback is grouped under high-level headings. As you read through it, please remember that feedback is welcome on the format of this post too.
High-level feedback
Here’s what a few folks had to say about the overall experience that’s important to keep in mind as you read the rest of this post:
Everything seemed intuitive for me (long time WordPress dev for whatever it’s worth). I recently did a site for a client in Squarespace, and I appreciated that everything was drag-and-drop and had blocks for all website sections. This full site editor gives that same experience. I think this will be great for empowering non-dev users.
@andystitt829 in this comment.
I did a demo of using FSE in December 2019 at meetupMeetup All local/regional gatherings that are officially a part of the WordPress world but are not WordCamps are organized through https://www.meetup.com/. A meetup is typically a chance for local WordPress users to get together and share new ideas and seek help from one another. Searching for ‘WordPress’ on meetup.com will help you find options in your area. Tokyo. It did “work” then, but felt more of a prototype — kind of alpha or even pre-alpha stage of development. But this latest version is much more smooth, less buggy, and get overall feeling that it has come a long way and shaping up to be a feature.
@toru in this comment.
My main problem with this as a designer is that if we are building structure, don’t try to look like wysiwygWhat You See Is What You Get What You See Is What You Get. Most commonly used in relation to editors, where changes made in edit mode reflect exactly as they will translate to the published page.. If we are building design, then show it exactly. Current GB UIUI UI is an acronym for User Interface - the layout of the page the user interacts with. Think ‘how are they doing that’ and less about what they are doing. isn’t an overlay, so it is pushing the layout completely out of shape. So you get a kind of Picasso view of your website. You have to take a big imagination leap to trust that you are designing this website well. –
@paullacey in this comment.
As you can tell, there’s a diverse set of reactions to this call for testing, which shows how far Full Site Editing has come and how much further it needs to go.
Adjusting column widths
Adjusting column widths was one of the most mentioned issues that came up as people tried to customize their homepage to their liking! This coincided nicely with an important PR that started as a draft at the beginning of this call for testing and has moved into an open PR with numerous iterations since. As @youknowriad mentions in the PR, alignment in Full Site Editing currently works in a way that’s optimized for traditional themes that provide their own alignment styles. Still, this approach needs to be reconsidered moving forward as it doesn’t allow for a true WYSWYG experience. This leads to the problems described below in comments from some of those who tested:
I inserted a 70/30 pattern for the Columns blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience., then changed the alignment to “Wide”. The Columns block didn’t expand proportionally to fill the available space. When viewed on the front-end, the columns did display as expected.
@chthnc in this comment.
We noticed with columns that we had to assign the width of the block in order for the height of the site logo to align with the site title. We want to expand the width of the body content without using a child themeChild theme A Child Theme is a customized theme based upon a Parent Theme. It’s considered best practice to create a child theme if you want to modify the CSS of your theme. https://developer.wordpress.org/themes/advanced-topics/child-themes/. to get closer to edge to edge layouts.
@courane01 in this comment.
I created an image in the SidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme. that was wider than the column to see if there was any restriction on image width. When I went to view the page, the image had been resized to fit the column width.
@kforbz in this comment.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.
I really wanted something that was between the theme’s full and wide widths.
Previewing changes
Like adjusting width, previewing changes came up as a workflow people rely upon and deeply missed in this call for testing. This nicely echoes findings from the first call for testing, where people wanted to preview template changes and expands to previewing the entire site editing experience. Currently, a “Preview Site” option is under discussion here and this post is linked in a comment to ensure feedback makes it to those who explore this further.
I do not see how to preview the layout on the frontend.
@paaljoachim in this comment.
Yes, but when I am done I don’t find a way to easily go and view my website. I turn off full screen mode and use the more classic view site link in the Dashboard.
@paullacey in this comment.
There were so many inconsistencies between the site editor and the front end that there is little point in listing them all. Spacing was grossly off. I generally see that as a theme issue. I spent much of my time in trial-and-error mode, making an adjustment in the editor and refreshing to see the front-end result. Rinse. Repeat.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.
Saving Process: auto drafts, keyboard shortcuts, and more
In line with the last call for testing, the saving process came up as an area people were keen to see iterated. Whether it was mentioning desired features, finding bugs, or confusion around how to accomplish a task, this proved to be a robust area of feedback:
When editing, I expect CMD/CTRL + S to save my work. This works in a post/page editing experience. On OS X + Chrome, this prompts me to save the webpage.
@courane01 in this comment.
I can understand why there is a 2-step process here, but every time I clicked “Update Design” it intuitively felt like I shouldn’t have to then click a “Save” button as well.
@chthnc in this comment.
What if I want to save the template as a new template, Template Part as a new template part and not overwrite the existing templates? What if I decide not to save a template part? Can I revert changes by clicking an revert/undo changes checkbox?
@paaljoachim in this comment.
I didn’t experience any auto-saves. When my site crashed, it did not have any autosaves.
@courane01 in this comment.
General Usability Problems
Because this call for testing was more open-ended, this resulted in a wide range of general usability feedback that relate to the overall experience of building a homepage rather than a specific part of the experience. While these items can’t be easily organized and some were reported previously, they are extremely important to keep in mind:
I see that blocks for FSE are under “design” categoryCategory The 'category' taxonomy lets you group posts / content together that share a common bond. Categories are pre-defined and broad ranging. in the inserter, but I think it’s better to put them in their own category to avoid confusion with non FSE blocks.
@overclokk in this GitHub feedback issue.
I tried to insert a Post Tags block using the ‘/’ command but it didn’t appear as an option. I had to search and find the block via the block inserter panel. –
@chthnc in this comment.
Without the screen shot, I would have not been able to find where or guess which is the Navigation Toggle.
@toru in this comment.
The problem with switching to this mode is that my toolbar-choice was not saved. Each time I returned to the site editor, I had to enable it once again.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.
I wish I could put a background image (also in the body of the page), but I haven’t found a way to do it, nor have I been able to set the headerHeader The header of your site is typically the first thing people will experience. The masthead or header art located across the top of your page is part of the look and feel of your website. It can influence a visitor’s opinion about your content and you/ your organization’s brand. It may also look different on different screen sizes. color different from the rest of the body.
@ejca in this comment.
Individual Site Editing Block Feedback
Since this test relied on exploring Site Editing blocks, great feedback was given about the experience of specific individual blocks. To make it easier to go through, these issues are gathered in this section:
I was trying to size the logo I added using the what appeared to be resize handles. but it did nothing I expected. Eventually I found that the block had settings in the right panel, but I had to look quite hard for this.
@paullacey in this comment.
I inserted a Query block after choosing a pattern. I then changed my mind about the pattern and attempted to undo. Nothing happened.
@chthnc in this comment.
“It wasn’t obvious to me that the Social Icons block then needed to have individual social media blocks added. I couldn’t figure out why they weren’t showing up and looked in the settings and in my user profile to figure out where to add my social media links. I saw social icons in the footer and then clicked on the blocks and saw that the individual icon blocks needed to be added.”
@andystitt829 in this comment.
To me, I feel strange to be told to upload a featured image for each post here. I assume if each featured image are set, then this uploader won’t be shown. Still, I think it feels confusing.
@toru in this comment.
There is no way to set the size of the image output by the Post Featured Image block. The only way to get a uniform size at the moment is to pre-crop the images before uploading them to WordPress.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.
#fse-outreach-program #full-site-editing #gutenberg #core-editor #fse-testing-summary
This is the third call for testing as part of the Full Site Editing Outreach Program. For more information about this experimental program, please review this FAQ for helpful details. To properly join the fun, please head to #fse-outreach-experiment in Make Slack for future testing announcements, helpful posts, and more will be shared there.
Have you ever experienced a particularly delightful 404 page? Maybe it made you laugh or it was built in a way that made it super easy to find your way back to where you needed to be on the site. Currently, this is a part of one’s site that can only be altered with code and provided by the theme causing many of us to be unable to add some extra joy into the universe with helpful, fun 404 pages.
With Full Site Editing though, this is now within our grasps to make our own. This test explores doing exactly that with the option to build a simple 404 page through template editing or to really dive in to make something unique. If you choose to get super creative, please share a screenshot in your comment so we can all marvel at what you’ve made. For inspiration, here’s an example I made:
While there’s more information below to ensure you get everything set up properly, here are the key aspects to have in place with your testing environment:
Flow is the actual user experience, in many ways. If you like, you can think of flow as a really comprehensive set of user stories. When you think about user flow, you’re thinking about exactly how a user will perform the tasks allowed by your product.Flow and Context
Here’s a basic flow to follow when testing this specific feature. If anything doesn’t make sense, just comment below!
Important Note:
While this call for testing is focused on testing a specific feature, you’ll likely find other bugs in the process of testing with such a betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. feature! Please know any bugs you find are welcome in your report for testing, even if they aren’t directly applicable to the tested feature.
Setup Instructions:
Testing Instructions:
Helpful Hint: As you go through this test, you might find the List View helpful while navigating between content.
Exploring the 404 template
Adding navigation and getting creative
yoursiteurl.com/404 (replace yoursiteurl.com with your test site URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org). Notice that any items you added to the Navigation Block that are page drafts appear but are broken links. You should be able to still view the drafts since you are logged in as an admin. Note: this has been logged as a bug. Publish, review, and share
yoursiteurl.com/404 and confirm any prior draft Pages now show up properly with correct permalinks.If you want to take this further, here are some extra items to explore:
Testing Video:
This video shows the testing flow after the initial testing setup is in place. Of note, this video purposefully does not go into depth in building out a 404 page in order to keep it concise. Don’t let this stop you from getting creative though when you’re testing!
What to notice:
Remember to share a screenshot of what you created if you’re up for it!
Please leave feedback in the comments of this post. If you’d prefer, you’re always welcome to create issues in this GitHub repo directly for Gutenberg and in this GitHub repo for TT1 Blocks. If you leave feedback in GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/, please do still comment below with the link. If you see that someone else has already reported a problem, please still note your experience with it below, as it’ll help give those working on this experience more well-rounded insight into what to improve.
This is the second call for testing as part of the Full Site Editing Outreach Program. For more information about this experimental program, please review this FAQ for helpful details. To properly join the fun, please head to #fse-outreach-experiment in Make Slack for future testing announcements, helpful posts, and more will be shared there.
Before diving into the testing details, let’s pause to talk about the focus of this call for testing. With Full Site Editing unlocking the ability to edit all parts of your site, there comes a need for new blocks to help facilitate the experience. You might have seen some of these blocks already! For example, there’s a Site Title blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. that you can embed anywhere and update automatically any time you change your Site Title.
For this specific test, we’re going to explore using a few of these blocks to build a basic homepage with a sidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme.:
Think of this as a chance to both explore what’s possible currently to build something simple and as a chance to get more familiar with these new blocks. Eventually, these blocks will specifically be categorized in the Inserter as defined for Site Editing.
While there’s more information below to ensure you get everything set up properly, here are the key aspects to have in place with your testing environment:
Flow is the actual user experience, in many ways. If you like, you can think of flow as a really comprehensive set of user stories. When you think about user flow, you’re thinking about exactly how a user will perform the tasks allowed by your product.Flow and Context
Here’s a basic flow to follow when testing this specific feature. If anything doesn’t make sense, just comment below!
Important Note:
While this call for testing is focused on testing a specific feature, you’ll likely find other bugs in the process of testing with such a betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. feature! Please know any bugs you find are welcome in your report for testing, even if they aren’t directly applicable to the tested feature.
Setup Instructions:
Testing Instructions:
Helpful Hint: As you go through this test, you might find the List View helpful while navigating between content.
Make changes to your headerHeader The header of your site is typically the first thing people will experience. The masthead or header art located across the top of your page is part of the look and feel of your website. It can influence a visitor’s opinion about your content and you/ your organization’s brand. It may also look different on different screen sizes.:
Add your content:
Create a sidebar:
Testing Walkthrough Video:
This video shows the testing flow after the initial testing setup is in place and is using Gutenberg demo content found here. Make the flow you’re on though with your own unique changes and adjustments!
What to notice:
Please leave feedback in the comments of this post. If you’d prefer, you’re always welcome to create issues in this GitHub repo directly for Gutenberg and in this GitHub repo for TT1 Blocks. If you leave feedback in GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/, please do still comment below with the link. If you see that someone else has already reported a problem, please still note your experience with it below, as it’ll help give those working on this experience more well-rounded insight into what to improve.
#core-editor, #fse-outreach-program, #fse-testing-call, #full-site-editing, #gutenberg, #usability-testing