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The Meta team is responsible for maintaining and managing WordPress.orgWordPress.orgThe community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/ websites. Our work is mostly done on the meta trac. If you see a bug, file a ticket!
The agenda — thanks to @ashfame, was mostly about Preserving SlackSlackSlack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. message history in the eventuality of a migrationMigrationMoving the code, database and media files for a website site from one server to another. Most typically done when changing hosting companies. of the Make WordPress Slack workspace to Matrix:
@psrpinto mentioned that there could be different strategies according to the type of channel (public, private, DM – since public and private information probably needs to be handled in different ways), and that we need to evaluate what format this message history would be kept in. There could be two options:
Fully integrated into Matrix, with correct senders, timestamps, etc. It should be noted that it might not be possible
A standalone export that would not be related to matrix in any way.
@javiercasares commented that private conversations should not be included in this archive, but we would instead notify users so they can perform the archival of their own private conversations. @javiercasares would prefer option 1. above, where the history of public conversations gets imported into the equivalent Matrix rooms.
@ashfame confirmed that we do not have access to users’ private conversations so users must export their own private conversations, and that migrating public channels is feasible, though somewhat complicated. Migrating private conversations however is more difficult, because of two reasons:
Even if the user supplies the data they exported themselves, we can’t simply import it, as data would have to be encrypted and those messages need to come from sender’s or author’s session. It can’t just be attributed to them.
The actual export itself requires granting access to an OAuth app, which theoretically means the app/code has access to the conversations. Would open-sourcing the code for that be enough?
@akirk mentions an existing tool for archiving Slack data: https://github.com/felixrieseberg/slack-archive, which allows a user to export their own data, but they would need to run npx / node locally which is quite a high requirement.
@ashfame mentions that this tool requires granting access to an OAuth app to generate a token, personal tokens won’t work. This means the code running has theoretical access to sensitive data, so this tool might not be an option.
@akirk suggested that we look into exporting the public Slack data into a database and we can later investigate if we can re-insert it into Matrix. and for private data we try to figure out if people can run it locally on their machines and we’d strive to provide a guide for doing so.
FWIW We’ve had several attempts at making a public slack log on W.org, but each time someone has looked into doing it, there’s been limitations in the Slack APIs around making it an “exact copy” of the data.
For example, reactions to messages are easy to get retroactively, but syncing them as they happen is difficult. Slack attachments are also heavily used by notifications, and would’ve needed rebuilding into a non-slack UIUIUI is an acronym for User Interface - the layout of the page the user interacts with. Think ‘how are they doing that’ and less about what they are doing..
It might be nice to integrate that with Matrix early on, as in, make sure we have a public Matrix chat log for referencing on make sites / etc. The slack data could then be added to the history of that public log, negating the need to migrate it over to Matrix.
Public slack data is exportable with Slack archive tools though by slack admins, but we do NOT have the private-conversations flag enabled (and won’t be enabling it) so Slack admins and APIs don’t have access to private conversations.
DMs are heavily used on this slack instance, to the level that I believe it accounts for between 50-80% of messages sent depending on the day. Private channels account for 1-2% as we don’t actually have many of them. I believe the DMs however are likely bot-messages, because it’s flipped for those reading messages, ~20% of messages are read in DMs, and 75%+ are read in public channels..… The more I say this, I kind of want to find out why so many DMs are sent but not read…
Search UXUXUX is an acronym for User Experience - the way the user uses the UI. Think ‘what they are doing’ and less about how they do it.
@akirk enquired about how good the search capabilities on Matrix are today, and whether an external export would provide better searchability.
@psrpinto mentioned that in their experience the search on Matrix is appropriate, though not as good as Slack’s, and that it’s fair to assume it will continue to get better with time. They also mentioned there are some limitations when searching encrypted rooms, for example, searching encrypted rooms in Element only works in the Desktop App, not in the browser.
@alexstine raised concerns about AccessibilityAccessibilityAccessibility (commonly shortened to a11y) refers to the design of products, devices, services, or environments for people with disabilities. The concept of accessible design ensures both “direct access” (i.e. unassisted) and “indirect access” meaning compatibility with a person’s assistive technology (for example, computer screen readers). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility) on Matrix:
Slack is well supported and accessible to a very wide audience. Something that is not up for argument, a lot of these open-source/decentralized concepts are not accessible to all or most.
The decentralized media world walks a fine line between a great thing and a lot of hypocrisy. On one hand, claiming to give users a voice, on the other hand, knowingly excluding users of assistive tech.
Years of GitHubGitHubGitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ issues do not lie. Matrix has not been around all that long but there are plenty of other examples that have been around long enough…The Slack accessibility team is best in its class. They are constantly responsive and very engaged with users.
@otto raised concerns about the quality of Matrix clients:
Matrix looks like IRC, for me, so far. I am unimpressed with it. It seems like it will need a lot of interface work to make it usable.
Redesign work is already well underway on the Theme Directory. This will be the most complex of the sub-site redesigns that we’ve built so far.
Development work to implement the design will start soon. There is already a GitHub Repository with issues outlining the design as it’s currently understood. If you’re interested in seeing early work and giving feedback, you can follow along there.
I’ll give regular progress updates in the MetaMetaMeta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. Team Biweekly chats.
As part of the ongoing WordPress.org redesign project, several sections of wordpress.orgWordPress.orgThe community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/ have been recently launched in the past couple of weeks! These sites were announced in recent Make WordPress Design posts to solicit feedback. Thank you for all the feedback to help shape the new design on these sites.
As mentioned previously, the current focus of the redesign project is to apply the redesign to all sites for wordpress.org to achieve a consistent experience without drastically rethinking the content. Additional enhancements to website functionality will be made in the future and can be requested through Meta Trac.
The Documentation (HelpHub) section of WordPress.org has a new design, including many other important updates, such as restructuring where the docs site lives on wordpress.org. This project was a collaboration between the Docs, Design, and MetaMetaMeta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. teams, as described in detail in the Docs team’s post.
The Enterprise section of the website also received a facelift. The Enterprise website highlights the reasons WordPress is the CMS solution of choice for enterprises at scale.
The Mercantile website (the official WordPress swag store) received a visual refresh with the new wordpress.org design direction. Though this isn’t a site that the Meta team works on directly, it’s worth celebrating the beautiful design applied to another section of wordpress.org.
The Meta team is currently working on applying the new design to the Developer, About, and Theme Directory sections of the website over coming weeks. Be sure to get involved by providing feedback or by following along in GitHubGitHubGitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ (links below):
We are a small team of contributors to the WordPress and Matrix projects who would like to propose to form a community project to explore bringing the Matrix open sourceOpen SourceOpen Source denotes software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified. Open Source **must be** delivered via a licensing model, see GPL. federated chat system to the WordPress community as a possible replacement to SlackSlackSlack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. (for Making WordPress).
What is Matrix? According to Matrix themselves, “it is an open source project that publishes the Matrix open standard for secure, decentralised, real-time communication, and its ApacheApacheApache is the most widely used web server software. Developed and maintained by Apache Software Foundation. Apache is an Open Source software available for free.-licensed reference implementations. Maintained by the non-profit Matrix.org Foundation, we aim to create an open platform which is as independent, vibrant and evolving as the Web itself… but for communication.”
At WordCampWordCampWordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Europe 2022 in Porto, we talked to a lot of community members, asking them about how they liked Slack and what they’d think about using Matrix as an open source alternative to Slack.
While we heard from a lot of people that they liked Slack, a number of items were mentioned that made us think Matrix could be a great fit for the WordPress community:
1. The Slack onboarding experience is hard
A significant amount of time at WordCamp contributor days is spent on helping people getting onboarded to Slack. You need to receive an invitation e-mail to a special, personal e-mail address and then select the correct Slack workspace to join, following these lengthy instructions.
2. The Slack Client isn’t well suited for some Local Communities
We’ve heard that some local communities prefer to communicate via instant messaging such as WhatsApp or Telegram over using Slack. While this might overlap with the previous item, where getting added to a Telegram group is much easier than signing up for the WordPress Slack workspace, we’ve also heard how this form of messaging and its integration with their mobile phone is preferred.
One of the benefits of Matrix is it supports free choice of clients, one of them being a client that is very similar to Telegram, called FluffyChat. There are also particularly lightweight clients (called Hydrogen), a full featured client called Element (previously known as Riot), a client that is more like Discord called Cinny, CLICLICommand Line Interface. Terminal (Bash) in Mac, Command Prompt in Windows, or WP-CLI for WordPress. clients, and many more.
Additionally, we’ve done some work to make it possible to integrate a Matrix chat into a Gutenberg block. This means that you can use any WordPress post or page to start chatting when it has that blockBlockBlock is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. embedded. This could even be set to a particular room, so that users can be asked to join a specific room or Make team by giving them a link to a particular WordPress(.org) page. This could make taking part in Make WordPress teams much easier and possibly encourage more contributions.
3. An Open Source Project should use an Open Source Chat System?
Many people were excited about the Matrix project and how it being open source seemed like a much better fit for the WordPress open source project. It was mentioned to us that an open source product might have a tougher onboarding experience, so we were happy to see how our research of using SSO and a Matrix client inside a GutenbergGutenbergThe Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ block encouraged us to think that it actually might be more accessible.
Would Matrix be a good fit for Making WordPress?
Since our efforts so far have been sponsored by Automattic and didn’t revolve around a particular community, we’d like to start a metaMetaMeta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. sub-team that would hold bi-weekly chats and figure out a plan how we could assess whether Matrix would be a viable option for the community.
In particular, we’d like to contribute our projects Chatrix and OpenID Connect Server to the WordPress project. Additionally, work with people of the community interested in Matrix to see which Slack integrations would need to be ported and how that could be done. As well as understand through testing with other WordPress teams how good or bad the experience is, either on its own, or comparing it to Slack.
Thus we’d like to invite everyone who would like to take part in this to speak up in the comments so that we can find a day and time in the week where we could hold our meetings to get this started.
Development work is in progress to implement two-factor authentication (2FA) for accounts on WordPress.orgWordPress.orgThe community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/. (This is something we tried briefly once before, but it wasn’t ready for production use at the time).
To be absolutely clear: this is about rolling out 2FA for accounts on the WordPress.org web site itself – that is, for people like pluginPluginA plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party and theme developers, WordCampWordCampWordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. organizers, forum participants, Make site commenters, coreCoreCore is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. developers, and contributors to the WordPress project in general. It will have no effect on the wider world of WordPress sites, except in the sense that we hope to set a good example and encourage others to use 2FA plugins.
Given the complexity of the MetaMetaMeta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. environment, and the large network of sites and customizations that powers the many parts of the WordPress.org web site, there is ongoing work needed to ensure the plugin integrates cleanly and securely everywhere it is needed.
As part of the ongoing visual refresh of wordpress.orgWordPress.orgThe community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/, design and layout changes introduced in A refresh of WordPress.org/Showcase have been published to the showcase today 🎉. These changes align with the new design direction already implemented on sections of wordpress.org. The design will continue to be applied to sites over the coming months.
Here’s a brief look at some of the visual changes:
Additional changes include supplementary metadata, simplified submission criteria, improvements to legacy content, and a much-improved mobile page layout.
This redesign is an important starting point to modernize the Showcase site design and theme code that will continue to be iterated. Additional improvements and optimizations to Showcase will be made in the future, including an improved moderation process. If you have any feedback or find a bug, please open a new GitHub issue.