Hosting Meeting Notes: July 8, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday July 8th, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda from the meeting.

Attendees: @clorith, @javiercasares, @danfoster, @aaroncampbell, @mdw1989, @pandjarov, @lightsoutdave, @amykamala, @fahimmurshed, @mikeschroder

Housekeeping

On Note-Taking

It would be great to have a rotating set of folks to take meeting notes so that no one person gets burned out, and so that when folks are away, there’s still someone to take notes for posting here.

If you’re interested, please comment on this post, or send @mike on WordPress Slack a message, and we’ll get a rotation set up! You don’t need any prior experience or permissions for writing on the site; this is a great way to get more involved with the team.

On Meeting Time

@mikeschroder noted that there’s still a post to come on metrics from meeting times. So far, it looks like there are about the same amount of attendees at the meetings, but with additional folks that weren’t able to attend before.

This is great! There has, however, been confusion about when the team is meeting each week.

Folks suggested:

PHP Recommendations

Extensions

Conclusions coming soon from the discussions around PHP extension recommendations. Please add any feedback on this post.

Versions

The Site Health team has requested feedback from the hosting team on how to set the recommendations for Site Health in the future.

There was discussion lead by @clorith on whether/the best way to test how recommending PHP versions affects new version adoption.

@clorith noted that the team would be taking all of the feedback and making a decision on the version bump soon.

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Agenda – July 8th, 2019

Hello, everyone!

This is the agenda post for the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack that is scheduled for July 9th, 2019 at 1400UTC.

Housekeeping

  • Call for folks to take synopsis notes for this and future meetings.
  • Quick meeting time note about followup post.

PHP Recommendations

E2E (End to End) Distributed Testing?

Core now has end to end tests! Connect on expanding this to work on the hosting team distributed tests.

Open Floor

Do you have anything else to add? Please leave a comment on this post! Look forward to seeing you there!

#agenda

Hosting Meeting Agenda – July 3rd, 2019

Hello, everyone!

This is the agenda post for the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack that will happen on July 3rd, 2019 at 1700UTC.

PHP Extensions

PHP Minimum Version

WordPress 5.2.2

  • Update released on June 18th to general public
  • Contains primarily bug fixes but also contains a fix for: Site Health: Make site health page access be filterable

Open Floor

Do you have anything else to add? Please leave a comment on this post! Look forward to seeing you there!

#agenda

What should the next PHP version recommendation be?

Hi All,

It’s been 8 weeks since the minimum required PHP version for WordPress was increased from PHP 5.2 to PHP 5.6.

Before we increase the minimum required PHP version again, we would like to trigger the servehappy warning banner to sites running on one of the end of life (EOL) copies of PHP. Before we can do that, we need to understand the impact the next PHP version recommendation would have on the users.

This is where the Hosting Team guidance would be awesome! Any feedback on the following three questions would be great.

  1. How has the PHP minimum requirement bump affected you?
  2. What should the next PHP minimum recommendation be and why?
  3. What common issues do you foresee having with the sites that you host with the next PHP bump?
— Edit: Adding a 4th question: What versions of PHP should we target with a servehappy warning banner? These are not minimum requirements but encouragements to get people to be proactive and bump their PHP version before the minimum requirement bump happens. #site-health

Hosting Meeting Notes: June 24th, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday June 24th, 2019 at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda for the meeting.

Attendees: @abdullahramzan @mehul0810 @redituk @JavierCasares @Mike @amykamala

Continued Discussion on Auditing PHP Extensions

An audit of the list of recommend PHP extensions in the Hosting Community handbook has been ongoing. Thanks to all who have participated! Some details being discussed are:

• Should the Hosting Handbook recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
• Should Site Health Check recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
• Where should requirements and recommendations for core be located?
• What changes would you recommend making to the current list?

Contrary to the sentiment during Wednesday’s meeting, the consensus in today’s meeting is that core should provide information on core requirements only, and not extend beyond that. Some points are:

• Providing recommendations can add more work for core developers and may complicate things.

• Plugins and themes can make recommendations for additional extensions if need be.

• Providing the list of required extensions in the handbook is sufficient.

Question: Would it be prudent to put a call out to hosts to provide a list of modules installed in their systems to help determine what extensions can and can not be used?

Trac ticket #47454 was filed in relation to the PHP extensions audit. Feel free to add to the Trac ticket and continue the discussion here:

Hosts are also encouraged to participate in PHP Unit Testing to help assure compatibility and preemptively resolve conflicts and errors:

WordCamp EU and Contributor Day!

WordCamp Europe was on June 20-22 and June 20th was Contributor Day! Thank you to all participants! More info found here

@Mike reported from WCEU that this talk on Security, by @smitka, is worth viewing once available:

WordCamp talks from all over the globe can be seen on https://wordpress.tv/

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, July 3rd, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

Hosting Meeting Notes: June 19th, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Wednesday June 19th, 2019 at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda for the meeting.

Attendees: @jadonn @fahimmurshed @earnjam @francina @amykamala

PHP Extensions Audit Continues

The Hosting Community team has been asked to audit the list of recommend PHP extensions in the Hosting Community handbook. Thank you to everyone who has participated! Some details being discussed are:

• Should the Hosting Handbook recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
• Should Site Health Check recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
• Where should requirements and recommendations for core be located?
• What changes would you recommend making to the current list?

Some hosts mentioned that offering both a list of required extensions as well as recommended ones would be useful, provided that it is made clear what is required and what is not.

Some ideas are:

• Info on PHP extensions could be provided as a phpinfo page under Site Health – > Info in wp-admin.

• An alert in wp-admin could notify users if a required extension is missing.

• List extensions both required and recommended in the handbook for reference.

Trac ticket #47454 was filed in relation to the PHP extensions audit. Feel free to add to the Trac ticket and continue the discussion here:

WCEU and Contributor Day

WordCamp Europe is happening June 20-22! More info found here

June 20th is Contributor Day! Thank you to all participants!

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, June 24th, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!

Hosting Meeting Agenda – June 19th, 2019

Hello, everyone!

This is the agenda post for the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack that will happen on June 19th, 2019 at 1700UTC.

Housekeeping

PHP Extensions

  • @mikeschroder wrote a post on the team blog about the discussions regarding PHP Extensions
    • Please leave feedback in a comment on that post about the following four main questions:
      • Should the Hosting Handbook recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
      • Should Site Health Check recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
      • Where should requirements and recommendations for core be located?
      • What changes would you recommend making to the current list?
    • The post has more background information about the discussions the team has been having around the PHP Extensions list on the Hosting Community handbook

WordCamp Europe

Open Floor

Do you have anything else to add? Please leave a comment on this post! Look forward to seeing you there!

#agenda

PHP Requirements Check-in

Hey everyone!

There’s been some conversation around the PHP extension requirements and recommendations posted by the hosting team following the release of WordPress 5.2 and Site Health Check.

I’m super excited that folks are digging into this documentation to ensure the recommendations are the best they can be for WordPress users!

This post is meant to introduce the background of the list and gain further feedback on the best way forward.

Background

There wasn’t an official set of PHP extension requirements from the WordPress project at all, and the hosting team decided to create documentation so that this would be more clear for both users and hosts. The team hoped this documentation could eventually be used to update the official requirements, since they are not currently complete.

The team did an initial pass with various contributors, including an audit of core to find references to extensions.

This page on the handbook was the result of those folks’ work, and was used as a reference during the addition of Site Health Check in 5.2.

Site Health Check both lists strict requirements and makes recommendations when extensions aren’t strictly required, but WordPress works better with those extensions present.

Feedback

Following the release, there have been tickets about changing the Site Health Check requirements and recommendations, and #47454 is the trac ticket where the most recent conversation has been happening.

Following that ticket, there was some chat in #hosting-community, and @dd32 did a first pass on the requirements based on his knowledge of the code base (thanks!). He also gave the idea of using an automated checker to get more detail on requirements. There’s also been some conversation about them in the two hosting meetings since.

There are varying opinions on what should be in Site Health Check, including whether it should be only what Core requires and uses, or whether it should include some things that are helpful to users, but are not absolutely necessary for WordPress to have all of its functionality.

I’m also interested if the Hosting Team Handbook is the best source-of-truth for these requirements and recommendations to be, since the requirements are defined by core itself.

Do you have any thoughts on the above? Please leave comments on this post!

Interested in feedback in general, but as a bit of recap, here are a few conversation points to start things off:

  1. Should the Hosting Handbook recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
  2. Should Site Health Check recommend extensions beyond what core requires?
  3. Where should requirements and recommendations for core be located?
  4. What changes would you recommend making to the current list?

Thanks everyone — looking forward to the discussion!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: June 5th, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Wednesday June 5th, 2019 at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda for the meeting.

Attendees: @jadonn @fahimmurshed @supersoju @ugyen @emaildano @kamala @rahuldsarker @pandjarov

Housekeeping

Team Leadership

We are still looking for people to help with taking notes and leading meetings. If you are interested in helping out, please feel free to comment on this post! Helping with meetings is a great way to start contributing to the team.

Thank you @kamala and @emaildano for volunteering to help out with team organization and notes!

Anyone else interested in learning more about being a team representative should also consult @chanthaboune’s post about team lead interest for more information and links to helpful resources.

Meeting Time Change

We mentioned again @mikeschroder’s team blog post about the meeting times change. If you have any thoughts or feedback about the alternating meeting times, the best way to share it is leaving a comment on that post.

PHP Extensions Audit

The Hosting Community team has been asked to audit the list of recommend PHP extensions in the Hosting Community handbook. It appears this list is no longer up to date and no longer accurately reflects the true requirements of WordPress.

Trac ticket 47454 was filed in relation to this question. The extension list was referenced when making the Site Health tool. Inaccuracies in the extension list are driving inaccuracies in Site Health it seems.

@jadonn will write a post on this topic for a place to provide feedback and have further discussion among the team.

PHP Statistics

@dd32 asked for feedback about how useful a centralized collection of anonymized PHP usage statistics would be for hosts. The general consensus seemed to be that such information would be valuable.

Some of this information, such as PHP versions and extensions in use, is currently being captured by hosting companies who participate in the WordPress PHP Unit Testing program the Hosting Community team supports.

@supersoju asked for information about how to best run and report data for multiple products or hosting environments. @earnjam suggested that feedback should be submitted to either the GitHub repo for the PHP Unit Test Runner or to the GitHub repo for the PHP Unit Test Reporter.

@dd32 did provide more information after the meeting. @dd32 did caution that this project is still just an idea at this stage. In addition, although hosts running the tests is useful, @dd32 pointed out there’s a significant long-tail of hosts with less than optimal PHP setups. Collecting PHP version and extension information in general would help the WordPress project capture information about these other hosts.

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, June 10th, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!