Hosting Team meeting summary 2021-03-17

After listing the items on the agenda, some extra items that have been discussed and deserve to be in the summary.

Handbook

There are some PRs for the Handbook:

WordPress HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Live

We continue with the analysis of the best solution for the WordPress Hosting Live project, the meetupMeetup All local/regional gatherings that are officially a part of the WordPress world but are not WordCamps are organized through https://www.meetup.com/. A meetup is typically a chance for local WordPress users to get together and share new ideas and seek help from one another. Searching for ‘WordPress’ on meetup.com will help you find options in your area. for professionals in the world of hosting and WordPress.

@javiercasares has been talking with @_dorsvenabili about the best solution for the WordPress Hosting Live broadcast.

  1. The Hosting team’s talks that are going to be directed to “end users” could be given within the Learn WordPress Meetups, always focused with a didactic spirit. If anyone is interested in giving a talk they can talk to the Learn WordPress team or contact one of the Team Reps who will facilitate contact with the team.
  2. Hosting team talks aimed at “hosting professionals” could be done through a new Meetup channel. It is pending to pass access to the WordPress team, but I have the Meetup WordPress Hosting created.
    In the coming days the Community team will be asked to join the WordPress Meetup Pro.
  3. We would use a channel within the WordPress YouTube specifically for Hosting. For broadcasting we could use StreamYard or similar.
    It remains to talk to the Community team to see if we can make use of the channel or create our own channel.

Next meeting

The next meetings are scheduled with the following details:

When

Where

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Hosting Team meeting summary 2021-03-10

After listing the items on the agenda, some extra items that have been discussed and deserve to be in the summary.

Handbook

There are some PRs for the Handbook:

WordPress HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Live

We continue with the analysis of the best solution for the WordPress Hosting Live project, the meetupMeetup All local/regional gatherings that are officially a part of the WordPress world but are not WordCamps are organized through https://www.meetup.com/. A meetup is typically a chance for local WordPress users to get together and share new ideas and seek help from one another. Searching for ‘WordPress’ on meetup.com will help you find options in your area. for professionals in the world of hosting and WordPress.

@javiercasares will talk with the Community team to find the best solutions that the rest of the teams are currently using and thus have a common offer for all.

The proposal for the talks would be to make an introduction of 5-10 minutes by the presenters, then the talk / presentation of about 50 minutes and finally a space of about 30 minutes for questions.

The goal will be to make a monthly presentation in English, with the possibility of having interspersed presentations in other languages (@javiercasares has shown interest in making some in Spanish).

WordPress Hosting Page/Site

The Hosting team has made a proposal to the Meta team on how the new Hosting page could be updated. The goal is to propose a simpler and more standardized system when proposing a new WordPress hosting provider and that everyone has the same options.

This system is intended to facilitate the analysis and approval, which could be done by a sub team within the Hosting Team with people who are and know the world of hosting but do not work directly in any hosting company and thus avoid conflicts of interest.

In a next step the proposal would be passed to @chanthaboune for a first review and the team would be at MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress.’s disposal in case we can help more in this project.

Next meeting

The next meetings are scheduled with the following details:

When:

Where: #hosting-community channel on Slack.

+make.wordpress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org//updates

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Hosting Team meeting agenda 2021-03-17

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When

Where

Highlights

  • WordPress 5.7
  • WordPress 5.8 and  Full Site Editing
  • A WordPress Project Contributor Handbook

HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team Time

  • WP Hosting Live (live streaming events)
  • Meetings Time (DST changes in a few weeks)

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Hosting Team meeting agenda 2021-03-10

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When

Where

Highlights

  • Field Guide for WordPress 5.7
  • WordPress 5.7
  • WordPress dropping support for IE11
  • WordPress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org//news

HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team Time

  • WP Hosting Live (live streaming events)
  • WordPress Hosting Page/Site
  • WordPress Documentation Style Guide
  • Meetings Time (DST changes in a few weeks)

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Agenda for Team Meeting (2021-03-03)

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When
Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 0900 UTC
Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 1800 UTC

Where
#hosting-community channel on Slack.

Highlights
– Field Guide de WordPress 5.7
– WordPress 5.7 RCRelease Candidate A beta version of software with the potential to be a final product, which is ready to release unless significant bugs emerge. 2 (pending to be launched)

HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team Time
– WP Hosting Live (live streaming events)
– WordPress Hosting Page/Site

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Summary for Team Meeting (2021-02-24)

After listing the items on the agenda, some extra items that have been discussed and deserve to be in the summary.

There are some PRs for the Handbook:

Among the HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team’s objectives is the creation of a global streaming event in the purest Meetup style. The idea is to have a monthly online event, in English, with the possibility of interspersing other languages. Other steps are to define some previous elements from where these events will be managed.

An announcement will be made in the next few days regarding the selection of Team reps.

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When
Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 0900 UTC
Wednesday, March 3, 2021 at 1800 UTC

Where
#hosting-community channel on Slack.

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Agenda for Team Meeting (2021-02-24)

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When

Where
#hosting-community channel on SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/..

Highlights

  • GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ version 10.0
  • WordPress 5.6.2
  • WordPress 5.7 RCRelease Candidate A beta version of software with the potential to be a final product, which is ready to release unless significant bugs emerge. 1
  • Feature PluginFeature Plugin A plugin that was created with the intention of eventually being proposed for inclusion in WordPress Core. See Features as Plugins.: Rollback Update Failure
  • Project Tide

HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team Time

  • 2021 goals for the Hosting Team
  • Feedback on Team RepTeam Rep A Team Rep is a person who represents the Make WordPress team to the rest of the project, make sure issues are raised and addressed as needed, and coordinates cross-team efforts. Nominees

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Agenda for Handbook Meeting (2020-11-16)

The next meeting is scheduled with the following details:

When: Monday, November 16, 2020 at 1700 UTC (30 minutes)

Where: #hosting-community channel on Slack.

Meeting Agenda

  1. Adding infobox to all Handbook pages
    • Index #PR58
    • ServerServer A server is a piece of computer hardware or software that provides functionality for other programs or devices. Typical servers are database servers, file servers, mail servers, print servers, web servers, game servers, and application servers. Environment #PR59
    • Security #PR60
    • Reliability #PR61
  2. WordPress compatibility table (PHPPHP PHP (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor) is a general-purpose scripting language especially suited to web development. PHP code is usually processed on a web server by a PHP interpreter. On a web server, the result of the interpreted and executed PHP code would form the whole or part of an HTTP response. and MySQLMySQL MySQL is an open-source relational database management system (RDBMS). MySQL is free and open-source software under the terms of the GNU General Public License.)
  3. New tests section #PR11
    • Improve / launch this page for Contributor Days (WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. México – WordCamp Sevilla)
  4. Open Floor

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Hosting Chat Recap: Wednesday, August 19, 2020

Here’s the summary of our meetings in #hosting-community on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 0900 UTC and on Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 1800 UTC. (Slack archive).

The meetings were led by @mikeschroder and @jadonn. Notes taken by @Crixu.

Attendees: @chaion07, @clorith, @hristo-sg

Agenda

## Greetings
Welcome and Check-in
New Contributor Call Out

## Highlights
WordPress 5.5 Check-in

## Hosting Team Time
WordCamp US / 24 Hour Contributor Day

## Open Floor / Work Time

Highlights

WordPress 5.5 Check-in

During the meeting on Wednesday, August 12, 2020 some issues were raised which appeared with the release of WordPress 5.5. This week we checked back with the hostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. team members to see if they got solved and if new ones appeared. @mike brought up the following issues:
https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/51011

In general it looks like the removal of jQuery Migrate was a bigger deal then expected.

As a reminder, the support team is maintaining a “Read first” list here:

https://wordpress.org/support/topic/read-this-first-wordpress-5-5-master-list/

Hosting Team Time

WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. US / 24 Hour Contributor DayContributor Day Contributor Days are standalone days, frequently held before or after WordCamps but they can also happen at any time. They are events where people get together to work on various areas of https://make.wordpress.org/ There are many teams that people can participate in, each with a different focus. https://2017.us.wordcamp.org/contributor-day/ https://make.wordpress.org/support/handbook/getting-started/getting-started-at-a-contributor-day/.

WordCamp US 2020 won’t take place as planned before but the team is looking into an 24 hour online Contributor Day. Last week we saw a few people raising their hands to volunteer, help, or simply attend. If you want to join the hosting team on the 24h CD drop by the slackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. channel 🙂

Open floor

As the Servehappy recommendation for PHPPHP PHP (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor) is a general-purpose scripting language especially suited to web development. PHP code is usually processed on a web server by a PHP interpreter. On a web server, the result of the interpreted and executed PHP code would form the whole or part of an HTTP response. versions was moved forward, @clorith asked the attendees on how they are dealing with PHP version migrations.

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Hosting Chat Recap: Wednesday, August 26, 2020

Here’s the summary of our meetings in #hosting-community on Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 09:00 UTC (Slack archive) and on Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 1800 UTC (Slack archive).

The meetings were led by @mikeschroder and @jadonn. Notes taken by @javiercasares.

Attendees: @chaion07, @Crixu, Mark Muyskens, @amykamala, @piotrekkaminski, @davidvee, @asmartbear

Agenda

## Greetings
Welcome and Check-in
New Contributor Call Out

## Highlights
Call for volunteers for WP a11y day
WordPress 5.6 Kickoff
Apple, Google, and Mozilla SSL/TLS certificate policy changes
Learn WordPress is Live

## Hosting Team Time
Dropping support for old PHP versions in a fixed schedule

## Open Floor / Work Time

Highlights

Call for volunteers for WP a11yAccessibility Accessibility (commonly shortened to a11y) refers to the design of products, devices, services, or environments for people with disabilities. The concept of accessible design ensures both “direct access” (i.e. unassisted) and “indirect access” meaning compatibility with a person’s assistive technology (for example, computer screen readers). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility) day

There’s a call for volunteers open for WordPress a11y day!

@mikeschroder invites everyone from the team to join.

The event itself will be for 24 hours, and held on Friday, October 2, 2020.

WordPress 5.6 Kickoff

WordPress 5.6 kicked off last week, and is the final release of the year for WordPress. It is currently scheduled for release on December 8th, 2020.

@mikeschroder encourage everyone to give it a read.

Apple, Google, and Mozilla SSLSSL Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) was a cryptographic protocol designed to provide communications security over a computer network. This protocol became obsolete due to a multitude of security problems and was replaced by TLS./TLSTLS Transport Layer Security (TLS) is a cryptographic protocol designed to provide communications security over a computer network. Websites can use TLS to secure all communications between their servers and web browsers. certificate policy changes

It was said that commercial certificates usually are for 1 year, and Let’s Encrypt for 3 months, and the main concern is for internal or service organization certificates.

Learn WordPress is Live

Community and Training teams have launched a new platform for online learning for WordPress – Learn WordPress!

HostingHosting A web hosting service is a type of Internet hosting service that allows individuals and organizations to make their website accessible via the World Wide Web. Team Time

Dropping support for old PHPPHP PHP (PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor) is a general-purpose scripting language especially suited to web development. PHP code is usually processed on a web server by a PHP interpreter. On a web server, the result of the interpreted and executed PHP code would form the whole or part of an HTTP response. versions in a fixed schedule

On July 24, the coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Team builds WordPress. team brought up a proposal to drop the support for older PHP versions via a fixed schedule.

There have been several proposals and comments. Premises and data that have come to light (context):

  • PHP: bump minimum version requirements #51043
  • Key WordPress Statistics
  • A lot of hosts give from PHP 5.4 to PHP 7.4 (at least, from PHP 5.6 to PHP 7.4)
  • One thing is core, and another are plugins and themes
  • Plugins and themes may need a “tested up to” PHP version #51139

Mark Muyskens has explained that he is against a fixed schedule. “Too many folks out there drag their feet as far as updating it, unless forced by the host. What do propose when a customer doesn’t switch off PHP 5 for example when support is dropped? Blocking core updates? That’s going to lead to other larger problems.”

@javiercasares made a lot of proposals. First, WordPress should be in line with PHP (those are example on how it should be on older versions):

WordPress 5.6 = PHP 8.0 (dec 2020) -> supports PHP 8.0 – 7.2
WordPress 5.3 = PHP 7.4 (dec 2019) -> supports PHP 7.4 – 7.1
WordPress 5.0 = PHP 7.3 (dec 2018) -> supports PHP 7.3 – 7.0
WordPress 4.9 = PHP 7.2 (dec 2017) -> supports PHP 7.2 – 5.6
WordPress 4.7 = PHP 7.1 (dec 2016) -> supports PHP 7.1 – 5.6

So, WordPress (as a Community) should give info on WordPress (major) versions and PHP (major) versions supported. For example: WordPress 5.5 supports PHP 5.6.20 to 7.4. @mikeschroder considers that this could be in the Hosting Handbook.

In summary, each major WordPress version should officially support the PHP versions supported in that time (+/- 1 version), also, create a table with supported versions, so anybody knows the limits in each version.

@mikeschroder like the idea of scheduling, so that hosts (and users) can know what to expect. The actual schedule being up for debate is great. Also, love to discuss how hosts can help with the issue that is the background of this particular proposal, how can we best work together / with the project to get folks upgraded — not just from the 5.x, but in the future.

@jadonn highlighted that some hosts’ platforms’ PHP versions are provided by cPanel, Plesk, or the software managing the platform. In that case, the host is beholden to cPanel or whoever provides the PHP binaries.

@asmartbear “The good thing about a fixed schedule is it’s easy to plan for, way ahead of time. Tech, customer comms, measuring potential impact, etc…”. “A bad thing is you can’t use judgement calls.”

“It could be helpful for Core to mandate things, because it’s a forcing function for action, which doesn’t “blame” the hosts. So that might be net-positive for all hosts.”

“I think the main tension is that increasing PHP requirements is what’s best for the entire project/community from a technical perspective (features, performance, security, modernity), but anything that causes friction for users moves us away from the goal of “51% of the web.”

piotrekkaminski: “Support will either have to deal with PHP issues or sites getting hacked. My personal POV is i would rather take PHP issues.”

@jadonn: “It is probably a worthwhile question to ask about what is the path to the 51% goal. Is enforcing a newer version of PHP the path to achieving that goal? Like how does the PHP version correlate to or drive WordPress adoption.”

With that in mind, we left the meeting asking if there is a possibility to have more correlated data to make that kind of decisions.

@asmartbear closed with: “To Democratize Publishing doesn’t just mean that you can publish, it also means you own your work, which in the Internet world, means owning your site, and the wider ideals of the Open Web as well. No one wants to do maintenance, and many people (most?) don’t understand it. I believe we should be part of the solution, helping them along, rather than telling them to go to some closed-sourced, closed-web system. Also I think you’re not considering the fact that it’s not necessarily even the site owner’s “fault” in a certain sense. They use / bought some pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. or themeTheme A theme dictates the style and function of your WordPress website. Child Themes derive from the main parent theme. years ago and now it won’t work. Now you’re saying they have 4 months to replace their theme “or else.” While there is merit in that forcing function, our attitude should be one of compassion and trying to find the best way forward, rather than saying to a non-technical site owner that they should go re-tool a theme or else take their site.”

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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