Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday December 4, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, December 4, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

@jadonn spearheaded this discussion!

Attendees: @brettface @crixu @fahimmurshed @supersoju @amykamala @redituk @javiercasares

Announcements

WordPress 5.3 Recap and Retrospective

The WordPress 5.3 retrospective and recap has been published:

WordPress 5.3.1 Development Cycle

The WordPress 5.3.1 development cycle is underway! Here is week 3’s bug scrub schedule.

Gutenberg Updates

Big things are in store for Gutenberg this month, including a number of block changes and improvements! Check out what is coming next in Gutenberg!

WordPress 5.4 Open Call for Tickets

WordPress 5.4 is on the horizon! Hosts, Developers and individuals alike are invited to submit ideas for improvements, features and bug resolution for WordPress 5.4! More info found here.

Events

CloudFest

CloudFest 2020 is coming up in March! CloudFest aims to bring together web professionals and hosting providers to collaborate and plan for better serving mutual end users. More information about CloudFest found here! Check out the Annual CloudFest Hackathon and opportunities for web professionals! CloudFest has also provided a .pdf with more details!

Global WordPress Accessibility Day

The WordPress.org #accessibility team is considering organizing another Global Accessibility Awareness Day! Global Accessibility Awareness Day helps to bring greater attention to accessibility-related issues and projects in the WordPress ecosystem. Any hosts and individuals interested in participating may add their info to this spreadsheet to get involved.

Hosting Team Happenings

Official Team Reps

@jadonn and @mikeschroder have proposed adding @amykamala to the official list of team reps. @jadonn stated this proposal is “in recognition of the significant work she has done this year organizing and managing the team. She has taken an increasingly active role in team organization and running meetings. She already has been acting as a team rep for a number of months now, and [the #hosting-community team] would like to make it official.”

A number of meeting participants stated they support this.

@amykamala mentioned that she appreciates the support and has enjoyed working with everyone!

Feedback on this proposal is welcomed and invited. Feel free to comment here or in the #hosting-community channel!

Meeting Time Changes

A few challenges have surfaced revolving around the Monday 1400 UTC meeting dates and times. While @mikeschroder usually leads the 1400 UTC meeting, the meeting time occurs late at night for the APAC time zones. Additionally, the alternating meeting days and every-other-week schedule has lended to some confusion about what meeting is happening when.

In an effort to remedy this, the hosting team is proposing that:

  • The Monday meeting time be adjusted to an earlier time.
  • Both meetings occur on the same day of the week.
  • Both meetings occur weekly.
  • Meetings share a combined agenda and notes.

Hosts and team members are invited to participate in the conversation regarding what the best dates and times are for meetings!

@Crixu and @javiercasares both stated that Wednesday at 10:00 UTC is a good time for them and their teams!

Please feel free to comment here and in the #hosting-community Slack channel! Keep a lookout for a survey regarding proposed new meeting times, as well!

Next Meeting

For now, the next meeting will still be in the #hosting-community channel on Monday, December 9, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday November 20, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack on November 20th, 2019 . The full discussion is available here.

Attendees: @jadonn, @antpb, @arslanahmed, @amykamala, @andreamiddleton, @grafruessel, @duchesscorp, @mpcube, @deb

Announcements: WordPress 5.3 Release!

WordPress 5.3 was released on schedule on November 12, 2019! This new release includes:

  • 658 bug fixes and enhancements
  • A new default theme; TwentyTwenty
  • 654 contributors, 9 focus leads and 12 weeks of development
  • Updates to all components
  • Gutenberg 6.9 with more releases coming soon!
  • WP-CLI v2.4.0

Some additional highlights that may affect hosts are:

As always, please refer to the Field Guide for a detailed list of changes in 5.3!

Community feedback by @mpcube regarding the Admin email verification page resulted in 2 trac tickets; #48745 and #48746

Annual Survey

You’re invited to participate in the 2019 WordPress Annual Survey ! Your feedback is valued and appreciated.

WordPress-based organizations are invited to promote the annual survey, as well! Thank you to hosts, businesses and individuals alike who are helping share this survey!

Post Release Testing

Folks are also invited to participate in post release testing for WordPress 5.3. Testing helps provide valuable data for fixes and enhancements. Those who are interested in helping with testing can find more info in the Handbook. Thank you to everyone who has helped out with testing and who continues to do so!

Call For Feedback

Your feedback on WordPress 5.3 is requested! Feedback provided can help make the development process more effective. Feel free to leave a comment with your thoughts!

Meeting Times and Days

The hosting team is interested in hearing feedback on the bi-weekly, alternating meeting schedule. What is and is not working? Would it be easier to communicate if there were a meeting for each time zone each week, instead of one every other week? Would a different time for the Monday meeting that better accommodates the APAC time zone be more inclusive? Thanks for sharing your thoughts in the comments below!

Open Floor

@grafruessel expressed concern for meeting notes coverage with the /hosting team and offered to help with notes! Thanks @grafruessel

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, November 25, 2019, 1400 UTC . See you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday November 6, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, November 6, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @antpb, @stevenkword, @earnjam, @amykamala, @chanthaboune, @tfanelli, @Crixu, @JavierCasares, @clorith, @Pandjarov

WordPress 5.3 Release Candidate 4 is Out

WordPress 5.3 is set to release on November 12th, 2019. Release Candidate 4 is out now for testing and offers many new improvements!

As always, please refer to the Field Guide for a detailed list of changes in 5.3.

WordCamp US

The Hosting Matrix draft was discussed at length during WCUS Contributor Day and comments have been left with thoughts around a requirement matrix. Thank you everyone that contributed during Contributor Day! @chanthaboune will be reviewing the document soon.

Daylight Savings Time

The meeting times remain the same: 1700 UTC every other Wednesday and 1400 UTC every other Monday. UTC time does not shift, however if your time zone changes with DST, you may need to adjust your attendance time to sync with local times after the DST shift. If anyone has any feedback on shifting that time, please leave them in the comments below!

Media Improvement Statistics Request

@mikeschroder recently asked if there were any hosts able to share support ticket statistics from before and after 5.3 being rolled out for failed media uploads with an ‘HTTP Error’ message. This will help to measure how well the changes to media uploads are working and what additional changes might be needed.

Open Floor

@tfanelli asked about HyperDB and is looking to know who the person is who would know the most about HyperDB and the status of the project as they have noticed a lack of activity over the last couple of years. If you know who might be maintaining that project, feel free to leave a comment below.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, October 11, 2019 at 1400 UTC. See you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday October 23, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, October 23, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @jadonn @brettface @duchesscorp @azaozz @amykamala

WordPress 5.3 Release Candidate is Out

WordPress 5.3 is set to release on November 12th, 2019. Release Candidate 2 is out now, is available for testing and offers many new changes.

WordPress 5.3 Highlights

@jadonn mentioned that “Requiring the JSON extension will allow the core team to remove a number of workarounds, polyfills, and other bits of code that tried to accommodate PHP installations that did not have the JSON extension. In relation to this, JSON is already one of the PHP extensions we have listed on the #hosting-community team handbook’s list of PHP extensions.

  • Some changes in 5.3 are aimed at improving the Site Health page. The Site Health page will report Should be improved or Good for the various tested items rather than display numeric scores. Additionally, Site Health’s recovery emails will now contain debug information. Core team has provided more details on that here.
  • There are numerous changes to media uploads and handling with 5.3. 5.3 automatically retries uploads and if that fails, serves informative errors instead of an http error.
  • WordPress 5.3 will introduce a number of CSS changes in WordPress admin, as well. You can see dev notes here.
  • In 5.3 a new admin email verification screen is introduced, that will be displayed once every six months for users to confirm their email addresses. The admin login page will have a “Show” button next to the password field for displaying the password.
  • Find out more about whats new in 5.3 here!

Daylight Savings Time

Daylight Savings time in the U.S. ends November 3rd. Should the #hosting-community meeting time be adjusted to accommodate the change? Feel free to comment here!

Open Floor

@azaozz requested help testing image post-processing changes in 5.3, mentioning that you “may need to tweak the test server’s php.ini (if possible) to make it timeout or go out of memory. More info here

Anyone can get started with testing by installing the WordPress Beta Tester plugin. Or, you can download the release candidate directly.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, October 28, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: October 14, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Monday, October 14, 2019, at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @codexdemon @redituk @mikeschroder

Team Agenda

The only agenda was to connect about WordPress 5.3.

WordPress 5.3 Testing

The 5.3 Release Candidate is out now, and has many changes.

As a couple of examples for testing, @mikeschroder pointed out that for upgrades, the JSON extension will now be required, and there have been many changes with regards to media uploads.

The field guide will be released soon, but in the meantime you can see dev notes here.

Open Floor

@codexdemon requested an update on what’s next for @antpb / the team’s work on the hosting page project. @mikeschroder wasn’t sure the exact plan, but asked async in the channel, and mentioned that he thought folks would reconnect around the time of WCUS.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: September 30, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Monday, September 30, 2019, at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @mikeschroder @fahimmurshed @duchesscorp @erichk @danielkanchev @cybr @javiercasares @redituk @hristo-sg

Team Agenda

@mikeschroder posted the agenda in Slack, and folks can reply to it in Slack. The detailed agenda can be found here.

Team Member Announcements

WordPress 5.3 Beta Testing

Please don’t hesitate to report any issues found during 5.3 beta testing. Beta 2 is due for release this week. Thank you to all who have participated in beta testing and who continue to do so! Your contributions are valuable.

Feedback Requested

  • @afragen reported Site Health log to public file errors are still showing as a potential problem. Trac #47985
  • Please feel free to jump into the conversation on Trac #48116, regarding PHP extension usage tracking.

Hosting Matrix Conversation Continues

  • @antpb has created a draft of a recommended matrix for the WordPress.org/hosting page. Please feel free to leave comments or suggestions on the doc itself.
  • @hristo-sg provided some feedback in Slack.
  • @mikeschroder expressed support for the idea of building something that serves user needs.
  • @javiercasares mentioned that there was a Contributor Day at PonteWordCamp with 15 WordPressers. Feedback and conclusions can be seen here. Feel free to leave comments, as well. @mikeschroder mentioned this feedback might be worth some PRs for updates to the handbook.
  • @hristo-sg suggested that the project should focus on a particular audience.
  • Concern about traffic to the /hosting page was brought up, particularly regarding traffic trends and types of visitors. @hristo-sg stated that people who are new to WordPress visit the /hosting page most often.

Open Floor

  • Folks present thought we could talk about updating the handbook during the next meeting, and that this would be a good idea to do between now and when 5.3 is released.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

#weekly-hosting-chat

Hosting Meeting Notes: September 16, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday, September 16, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda from the meeting.

Attendees: @mikeschroder @ifrountas @aaroncampbell @redituk @duchesscorp @antpb @amykamala @supersoju

Housekeeping

If you’re interested in helping out with notes and/or leading meetings, please dm @mikeschroder or another team lead. There is help for getting started and peer review before posts happen.

WordPress 5.3

WP-Cli v2.3.0

There is a new release of WP-CLI. Notes and more info found here.

WordPress.org /hosting

@antpb put together a draft doc for a requirements matrix, which you can see here. Feel free to leave comments on the doc. This is a first pass at requirements (and challenges) for the updated matrix.

WordCamp US Contributor Day

@duchesscorp and @brettface have volunteered to help with WordCamp US Contributor day.

Please leave a comment on the post if you are interested in helping out or have any additional recommendations!

PHP Unit Testing

Unit tests for media handling started failing on September 4th. A report was filed on GitHub by @redituk. The errors reported regarding media handling appear to have subsided at this time.

Details about test failures still not currently being reported and displayed properly on the hosting test results page.

@earnjam is working on fixing this. If anyone would like to volunteer to assist with that, please comment here or get in touch with @earnjam.

Update Team Agenda

@mikeschroder mentioned that the media team has been experimenting with having the agenda posted in Slack, and folks can reply to it, like this.

Please feel free to provide feedback on interest (or disinterest) in implementing something like this in the #hosting-community Slack channel.

Open Floor

@JavierCasares mentioned that there may be a Contributor Day at WC Pontevedra on Sunday, where the hosting matrix will be discussed and feedback provided. Thank you!

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: September 2, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday, September 2, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda from the meeting.

Attendees: @mehul0810, @mazeheld, @francina, @fahimmurshed, @tnash, @clorith, @lightsoutdave, @mikeschroder

Housekeeping

@mikeschroder updated about note taking/leading volunteer efforts. There isn’t a schedule yet, but he started a DM group to discuss, and a google doc for tracking schedule, which started out as a doc from the Editor team (Thank You!). This also includes some introduction documentation for folks contributing. If you’re interested in helping out as well, please comment on this post!

Folks present were also updated on the WP.org hosting page project with some information from last week’s meeting. @antpb is working on the initial draft of a hosting capabilities matrix.

PHP Widget Changes

@clorith gave some details on some of the outcome from the PHP upgrade widget recommendation change that went live on September 20.

They noted that “Since the 20th we’ve seen a decrease in PHP <7.0 of 1.525%”, and “Not seen a whole lot of user-discussions about this though, so in my head that means everyone is doing a smashing job at helping their users.” 🎉

WordCamp US Contribution Day

@aaroncampbell reached out to @jadonn and @mikeschroder to ask who would lead the hosting team at WordCamp US contributor day, and recommended that the team have a plan to work on. Ideally there would be two folks helping plan + lead things there.

There weren’t any volunteers during the meeting, but @brettface offered afterwards. Thank you!

As for projects to work on, @clorith recommended updating the hosting best practices/recommendations in public documentation. He mentioned that the support team tries to do an audit of their handbook once a year.

@mikeschroder mentioned that, depending on what’s done by then, the team could spend time on end to end tests for distributed testing and/or connecting with meta to fix some of the outstanding issues with testing. If any hosts present don’t have distributed testing set up, the team could help them with that, too.

Please leave a comment on the post if you are interested in helping out or have any additional recommendations!

Open Floor

Nothing was brought up during the open floor time. If you’ve got anything to add:

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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re: PHP Extensions

Thank you to everybody who has contributed to the conversation regarding PHP extension requirements!

This post is meant to summarize the feedback had so far, and not to make recommendations at this stage.

Background

Following the release of WordPress 5.2 and Site Health Check, the hosting team started working on documentation to help bring clarity about requirements and recommendations to users and hosts.

The official requirements do not yet list PHP extension details. There is a meta ticket discussing how to handle this.

Site Health Check, however, lists both PHP extension requirements and recommendations via WP_Site_Health::get_test_php_extensions() in the new Site Health functionality in 5.2.

The recommendations included are extensions that are not required by core, but are used when available to make WordPress function better.

Discussion on changing these was started in this trac ticket. While discussion is in progress, feedback was requested from hosts.

Following that, @dd32 helped with a first pass on requirements and recommended something like phpcompatinfo to check in an automated fashion. @amykamala ran phpcompatinfo as recommended, and you can check out the results in this doc.

Host Feedback

Based on feedback received in @mikeschroder‘s post regarding PHP requirements:

• 75% of feedback indicated that the handbook should make recommendations beyond the required PHP extensions.

• There was a 50/50 split on whether Site Health Check should also recommend PHP extensions beyond requirements.

• However, more than half of responses indicate that core requirements and recommendations (if provided) should both be available via Site Health.

The following extensions were suggested as additional recommendations to be made:

  • opcache
  • bcmath
  • memcache
  • memcached
  • Intl

@peterwilsoncc recommended here that the following parameters be in place for determining what extensions are recommended:

“1. it’s used in WordPress Core
2. it’s included in the default PHP build for each version WordPress Core supports, currently the default builds for PHP 5.6+”

About Intl

There is an existing feature request for recommending the intl extension, found here.

@zodiac1978 brought up the idea of recommending intl in this github issue:

“It is necessary to use the Normalizer function which would solve many problems with internationalization issues for special characters: https://www.php.net/manual/en/intl.requirements.php

@fierevere  Pointed out that “intl has hard dependency on icu system libraries, which will consume over 30 Mb diskspace on smaller (VPS/embedded) systems. Each loaded library claims some memory and initialization time overhead. Bigger distributions can link libicu to libxml2 library and therefore it can be loaded by libxml2 linked extensions, but this dependency is optional”

This trac ticket was re-opened and is related, in that Normalizer::normalize requires the intl and icu extensions.

@bronsonquick mentioned here that they “… had to created a new Chassis extension for PHP intl when I was working on a clients site in another language as it wasn’t bundled!”

@swissspidy brought up an important point here, stating that “an available extension does not necessarily mean that it’s working. For example, we’ve often ran into issues where hosts disable functions like curl_multi_init or even curl_init. Or, in the case of the INTL extension, when a server is running PHP 7.2 but uses a super outdated version of the extension which doesn’t include the functions and constants one would expect. So any site health check for extensions should also check against these things.”

Thank you

Thank you again to everyone who contributed to the conversation regarding PHP extensions. Please feel free to add additional comments here or bring it up in the #hosting-community Slack channel. Your feedback is important!

Hosting Meeting Notes: August 19, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday August 19, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda from the meeting.

Attendees: @tailsxkyuubi, @sanyog, @zodiac1978, @earnjam, @mazeheld, @danfoster, @jnashhawkins, @amykamala, @clorith, @redituk, @kenshino, @mdw1989, @duchesscorp, @mikeschroder

Housekeeping

@mikeschroder asked for volunteers for meeting notes and leading, and @earnjam and @sanyog offered to help! @mikeschroder to connect with folks to arrange a schedule.

There are no requirements, and it’s a great way to get involved. In part because the meetings are split between time zones, there were only 2-3 folks currently volunteering to write up notes or lead meetings. This makes it tough to have the meetings + notes happen if one person can’t make it. Let’s create a rotation of folks together!

If you’re interested, please comment on this post, or feel free to reach out to @mikeschroder with any questions.

PHP Changes

The group chatted about the changes set to happen the next day (on August 20, 2019), to make the PHP upgrade recommendation widget appear with PHP <= 5.6. Folks were supportive of the change. Please leave a comment or join the team in #hosting-community for any post-rollout feedback! Conversation in there is ongoing.

WordPress Core Security Support and Upgrade Proposals

There was a quick chat about the two proposals to trim the WordPress versions that receive security backports and to gradually auto-upgrade major versions of sites.

There wasn’t a lot of feedback in the meeting, but what folks said was supportive of the changes.

WordPress.org Hosting Page

The team talked about the WordPress.org hosting page project @chanthaboune brought to the team in a prior meeting.

@mikeschroder posted some documentation from @chanthaboune for background/ prior art to look through from the WordPress team at a CloudFest Hackathon. It includes some interesting notes on hosting quality an in-progress spreadsheet with some hosting specifics. Please take a look!

The general consensus seemed to be that there’s excitement for change, to having clearer requirements for listing, and for the selection process to be more open.

It was brought up that performance testing is difficult, and several folks agreed that @kohashi‘s methods were a fair way of doing so. He offered some thoughts after the meeting.

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, August 28, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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