Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday December 4, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, December 4, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

@jadonn spearheaded this discussion!

Attendees: @brettface @crixu @fahimmurshed @supersoju @amykamala @redituk @javiercasares

Announcements

WordPress 5.3 Recap and Retrospective

The WordPress 5.3 retrospective and recap has been published:

WordPress 5.3.1 Development Cycle

The WordPress 5.3.1 development cycle is underway! Here is week 3’s bug scrub schedule.

Gutenberg Updates

Big things are in store for Gutenberg this month, including a number of block changes and improvements! Check out what is coming next in Gutenberg!

WordPress 5.4 Open Call for Tickets

WordPress 5.4 is on the horizon! Hosts, Developers and individuals alike are invited to submit ideas for improvements, features and bug resolution for WordPress 5.4! More info found here.

Events

CloudFest

CloudFest 2020 is coming up in March! CloudFest aims to bring together web professionals and hosting providers to collaborate and plan for better serving mutual end users. More information about CloudFest found here! Check out the Annual CloudFest Hackathon and opportunities for web professionals! CloudFest has also provided a .pdf with more details!

Global WordPress Accessibility Day

The WordPress.org #accessibility team is considering organizing another Global Accessibility Awareness Day! Global Accessibility Awareness Day helps to bring greater attention to accessibility-related issues and projects in the WordPress ecosystem. Any hosts and individuals interested in participating may add their info to this spreadsheet to get involved.

Hosting Team Happenings

Official Team Reps

@jadonn and @mikeschroder have proposed adding @amykamala to the official list of team reps. @jadonn stated this proposal is “in recognition of the significant work she has done this year organizing and managing the team. She has taken an increasingly active role in team organization and running meetings. She already has been acting as a team rep for a number of months now, and [the #hosting-community team] would like to make it official.”

A number of meeting participants stated they support this.

@amykamala mentioned that she appreciates the support and has enjoyed working with everyone!

Feedback on this proposal is welcomed and invited. Feel free to comment here or in the #hosting-community channel!

Meeting Time Changes

A few challenges have surfaced revolving around the Monday 1400 UTC meeting dates and times. While @mikeschroder usually leads the 1400 UTC meeting, the meeting time occurs late at night for the APAC time zones. Additionally, the alternating meeting days and every-other-week schedule has lended to some confusion about what meeting is happening when.

In an effort to remedy this, the hosting team is proposing that:

  • The Monday meeting time be adjusted to an earlier time.
  • Both meetings occur on the same day of the week.
  • Both meetings occur weekly.
  • Meetings share a combined agenda and notes.

Hosts and team members are invited to participate in the conversation regarding what the best dates and times are for meetings!

@Crixu and @javiercasares both stated that Wednesday at 10:00 UTC is a good time for them and their teams!

Please feel free to comment here and in the #hosting-community Slack channel! Keep a lookout for a survey regarding proposed new meeting times, as well!

Next Meeting

For now, the next meeting will still be in the #hosting-community channel on Monday, December 9, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday November 20, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack on November 20th, 2019 . The full discussion is available here.

Attendees: @jadonn, @antpb, @arslanahmed, @amykamala, @andreamiddleton, @grafruessel, @duchesscorp, @mpcube, @deb

Announcements: WordPress 5.3 Release!

WordPress 5.3 was released on schedule on November 12, 2019! This new release includes:

  • 658 bug fixes and enhancements
  • A new default theme; TwentyTwenty
  • 654 contributors, 9 focus leads and 12 weeks of development
  • Updates to all components
  • Gutenberg 6.9 with more releases coming soon!
  • WP-CLI v2.4.0

Some additional highlights that may affect hosts are:

As always, please refer to the Field Guide for a detailed list of changes in 5.3!

Community feedback by @mpcube regarding the Admin email verification page resulted in 2 trac tickets; #48745 and #48746

Annual Survey

You’re invited to participate in the 2019 WordPress Annual Survey ! Your feedback is valued and appreciated.

WordPress-based organizations are invited to promote the annual survey, as well! Thank you to hosts, businesses and individuals alike who are helping share this survey!

Post Release Testing

Folks are also invited to participate in post release testing for WordPress 5.3. Testing helps provide valuable data for fixes and enhancements. Those who are interested in helping with testing can find more info in the Handbook. Thank you to everyone who has helped out with testing and who continues to do so!

Call For Feedback

Your feedback on WordPress 5.3 is requested! Feedback provided can help make the development process more effective. Feel free to leave a comment with your thoughts!

Meeting Times and Days

The hosting team is interested in hearing feedback on the bi-weekly, alternating meeting schedule. What is and is not working? Would it be easier to communicate if there were a meeting for each time zone each week, instead of one every other week? Would a different time for the Monday meeting that better accommodates the APAC time zone be more inclusive? Thanks for sharing your thoughts in the comments below!

Open Floor

@grafruessel expressed concern for meeting notes coverage with the /hosting team and offered to help with notes! Thanks @grafruessel

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, November 25, 2019, 1400 UTC . See you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday November 6, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, November 6, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @antpb, @stevenkword, @earnjam, @amykamala, @chanthaboune, @tfanelli, @Crixu, @JavierCasares, @clorith, @Pandjarov

WordPress 5.3 Release Candidate 4 is Out

WordPress 5.3 is set to release on November 12th, 2019. Release Candidate 4 is out now for testing and offers many new improvements!

As always, please refer to the Field Guide for a detailed list of changes in 5.3.

WordCamp US

The Hosting Matrix draft was discussed at length during WCUS Contributor Day and comments have been left with thoughts around a requirement matrix. Thank you everyone that contributed during Contributor Day! @chanthaboune will be reviewing the document soon.

Daylight Savings Time

The meeting times remain the same: 1700 UTC every other Wednesday and 1400 UTC every other Monday. UTC time does not shift, however if your time zone changes with DST, you may need to adjust your attendance time to sync with local times after the DST shift. If anyone has any feedback on shifting that time, please leave them in the comments below!

Media Improvement Statistics Request

@mikeschroder recently asked if there were any hosts able to share support ticket statistics from before and after 5.3 being rolled out for failed media uploads with an ‘HTTP Error’ message. This will help to measure how well the changes to media uploads are working and what additional changes might be needed.

Open Floor

@tfanelli asked about HyperDB and is looking to know who the person is who would know the most about HyperDB and the status of the project as they have noticed a lack of activity over the last couple of years. If you know who might be maintaining that project, feel free to leave a comment below.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, October 11, 2019 at 1400 UTC. See you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday October 23, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Wednesday, October 23, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @jadonn @brettface @duchesscorp @azaozz @amykamala

WordPress 5.3 Release Candidate is Out

WordPress 5.3 is set to release on November 12th, 2019. Release Candidate 2 is out now, is available for testing and offers many new changes.

WordPress 5.3 Highlights

@jadonn mentioned that “Requiring the JSON extension will allow the core team to remove a number of workarounds, polyfills, and other bits of code that tried to accommodate PHP installations that did not have the JSON extension. In relation to this, JSON is already one of the PHP extensions we have listed on the #hosting-community team handbook’s list of PHP extensions.

  • Some changes in 5.3 are aimed at improving the Site Health page. The Site Health page will report Should be improved or Good for the various tested items rather than display numeric scores. Additionally, Site Health’s recovery emails will now contain debug information. Core team has provided more details on that here.
  • There are numerous changes to media uploads and handling with 5.3. 5.3 automatically retries uploads and if that fails, serves informative errors instead of an http error.
  • WordPress 5.3 will introduce a number of CSS changes in WordPress admin, as well. You can see dev notes here.
  • In 5.3 a new admin email verification screen is introduced, that will be displayed once every six months for users to confirm their email addresses. The admin login page will have a “Show” button next to the password field for displaying the password.
  • Find out more about whats new in 5.3 here!

Daylight Savings Time

Daylight Savings time in the U.S. ends November 3rd. Should the #hosting-community meeting time be adjusted to accommodate the change? Feel free to comment here!

Open Floor

@azaozz requested help testing image post-processing changes in 5.3, mentioning that you “may need to tweak the test server’s php.ini (if possible) to make it timeout or go out of memory. More info here

Anyone can get started with testing by installing the WordPress Beta Tester plugin. Or, you can download the release candidate directly.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Monday, October 28, 2019 at 1400 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: October 14, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Monday, October 14, 2019, at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @codexdemon @redituk @mikeschroder

Team Agenda

The only agenda was to connect about WordPress 5.3.

WordPress 5.3 Testing

The 5.3 Release Candidate is out now, and has many changes.

As a couple of examples for testing, @mikeschroder pointed out that for upgrades, the JSON extension will now be required, and there have been many changes with regards to media uploads.

The field guide will be released soon, but in the meantime you can see dev notes here.

Open Floor

@codexdemon requested an update on what’s next for @antpb / the team’s work on the hosting page project. @mikeschroder wasn’t sure the exact plan, but asked async in the channel, and mentioned that he thought folks would reconnect around the time of WCUS.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: September 30, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack Monday, September 30, 2019, at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @mikeschroder @fahimmurshed @duchesscorp @erichk @danielkanchev @cybr @javiercasares @redituk @hristo-sg

Team Agenda

@mikeschroder posted the agenda in Slack, and folks can reply to it in Slack. The detailed agenda can be found here.

Team Member Announcements

WordPress 5.3 Beta Testing

Please don’t hesitate to report any issues found during 5.3 beta testing. Beta 2 is due for release this week. Thank you to all who have participated in beta testing and who continue to do so! Your contributions are valuable.

Feedback Requested

  • @afragen reported Site Health log to public file errors are still showing as a potential problem. Trac #47985
  • Please feel free to jump into the conversation on Trac #48116, regarding PHP extension usage tracking.

Hosting Matrix Conversation Continues

  • @antpb has created a draft of a recommended matrix for the WordPress.org/hosting page. Please feel free to leave comments or suggestions on the doc itself.
  • @hristo-sg provided some feedback in Slack.
  • @mikeschroder expressed support for the idea of building something that serves user needs.
  • @javiercasares mentioned that there was a Contributor Day at PonteWordCamp with 15 WordPressers. Feedback and conclusions can be seen here. Feel free to leave comments, as well. @mikeschroder mentioned this feedback might be worth some PRs for updates to the handbook.
  • @hristo-sg suggested that the project should focus on a particular audience.
  • Concern about traffic to the /hosting page was brought up, particularly regarding traffic trends and types of visitors. @hristo-sg stated that people who are new to WordPress visit the /hosting page most often.

Open Floor

  • Folks present thought we could talk about updating the handbook during the next meeting, and that this would be a good idea to do between now and when 5.3 is released.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, October 9, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: September 16, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday, September 16, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Here is the agenda from the meeting.

Attendees: @mikeschroder @ifrountas @aaroncampbell @redituk @duchesscorp @antpb @amykamala @supersoju

Housekeeping

If you’re interested in helping out with notes and/or leading meetings, please dm @mikeschroder or another team lead. There is help for getting started and peer review before posts happen.

WordPress 5.3

WP-Cli v2.3.0

There is a new release of WP-CLI. Notes and more info found here.

WordPress.org /hosting

@antpb put together a draft doc for a requirements matrix, which you can see here. Feel free to leave comments on the doc. This is a first pass at requirements (and challenges) for the updated matrix.

WordCamp US Contributor Day

@duchesscorp and @brettface have volunteered to help with WordCamp US Contributor day.

Please leave a comment on the post if you are interested in helping out or have any additional recommendations!

PHP Unit Testing

Unit tests for media handling started failing on September 4th. A report was filed on GitHub by @redituk. The errors reported regarding media handling appear to have subsided at this time.

Details about test failures still not currently being reported and displayed properly on the hosting test results page.

@earnjam is working on fixing this. If anyone would like to volunteer to assist with that, please comment here or get in touch with @earnjam.

Update Team Agenda

@mikeschroder mentioned that the media team has been experimenting with having the agenda posted in Slack, and folks can reply to it, like this.

Please feel free to provide feedback on interest (or disinterest) in implementing something like this in the #hosting-community Slack channel.

Open Floor

@JavierCasares mentioned that there may be a Contributor Day at WC Pontevedra on Sunday, where the hosting matrix will be discussed and feedback provided. Thank you!

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: May 13, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday, May 13, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

The agenda followed can be found here.

Attendees: @spacedmonkey @mazeheld @redituk @shinichin @miss_jwo @clorith @mikeschroder

Housekeeping

There’s a call for folks to lead and take notes for meetings. If you’re interested, please comment on this post! This is a great way to get involved and open to anyone that’s attended a few meetings.

A month has passed since the team started alternating meetings. How is it going?

@mazeheld noted that he thought maybe the Wednesday meeting was too early in the day.

@mikeschroder said he’d create a post on make/hosting to discuss, and collect some statistics for sharing after feedback is collected.

This has now been created — please read and comment on this post with how you think things are going.

WordPress 5.2 Check-in

Those present seemed to think the 5.2 release was well received.

@mazeheld brought up increased support due to Site Health Check. They made a support page specifically to address concerns surrounding it.

A couple of folks mentioned surprise that PHP versions < 7.3 result in a lost score, and that seeing a 100% score matters to customers.

Two ideas around it were to have recommendations (outside of requirements) separated from the “score” or to have some recommendations dismissable by administrators if they don’t apply to that user/environment.

There was a little confusion as to what themes are required to stay and/or be removed to have a perfect score.

PHP Upgrade Workshops

@shinichin shared about the PHP upgrade workshops that were run at WordCamp Haneda.

There was a room where hosts got together and gave presentations about how to upgrade with their panels, then a group of volunteers helped folks upgrade.

Around 50 folks got their sites upgraded!

As a result, they want to create documentation so that more meetups and WordCamps in Japan can do the same.

@miss_jwo will connect with @shinichin with documentation from the Site Health booth from WCEU last year, with the plan to do this at WCEU this year as well!

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: April 29, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Monday, April 29, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @mikeschroder @javiercasares @mazeheld @kenshino @sanyog @mikeschinkel @redituk @shinichin

Hosting Meeting Notes

The idea of posting an Agenda post prior to the meetings was recommended and folks present seemed to support the idea.

Reasons given included:

  • Helpful for letting folks who can’t attend bring things up async.
  • Developing habits to better documentation is beneficial for future folks when more things are going on..

@mikeschroder is going to chat with @jadonn about this.

@kenshino suggested having statistics in the meetings would help growing the team. Polyglots team does this (Slack link).

Polyglots sharing statistics on meetings

We need to figure out what sorts of metrics would be interesting to know. These ideas were given:

  • @kenshino: How many hosts are working with the team
  • @javiercasares: PHP versions, Database versions, and some of the statistics at wordpress.org site
  • @mikeschroder: WP.org knows how the PHP version numbers shift between hosts. We haven’t mentioned them to avoid shaming hosts. It would be great to use these to incentivize upgrades. details on hosts that have had success/a large amount of upgrades to new versions?

@shinichin noted that there’s a difference in how hosting providers are involved among countries. Some feel that they are part of the community and others don’t see that way.

We didn’t have the time to discuss:

  • WordPress 5.2
  • Idle Hosting Test Runners

@shinichin raised a topic for the next meeting: “PHP version update workshop at WordCamps”

@mikeschroder mentioned two things related to 5.2:

  1. @clorith posted this Site Health dev note to the chat late last week (thank you!!): https://make.wordpress.org/core/2019/04/25/site-health-check-in-5-2/
  2. 5.2 got pushed back by a week, and is now being released on the 7th: https://make.wordpress.org/core/5-2/

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: April 24, 2019

Here’s the summary of our meeting in #hosting-community on Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 1400 UTC (Slack archive).

Attendees: @jadonn @brettface @jnash @andrewtaylor-1 @amykamala @riper81 @mazeheld 

WordPress 5.2 Release – May 7th

The release of WordPress version 5.2 has been pushed back to May 7th. More information found here:

WordPress 5.2 Beta Testing

Hosts: Please test WordPress 5.2 beta before it releases.

WordPress 5.2 is currently set to release with the new Site Health tool.

Check out this doc that has details on tests and filters for the Site Health tool.

Please note that some tests may not apply, or may require changes for certain hosts, so please take a look! For example, there’s a check for automatic update support that requires that WordPress be writable and not have a .git directory. Hosts that have a non-writable WordPress directory or native version control and handle upgrade for users manually may want to change or remove that test using the available filters.

Some more info can be found on WordPress 5.2 beta here: https://wordpress.org/news/2019/04/wordpress-5-2-beta-3/

Automated Unit Testing

Some Hosts have reported issues with the automated unit testing tools:

Please continue submitting test results. Thank you to all who have participated thus far!

Hosting Metrics Tracking

@andrewtaylor-1 suggested tracking how PHP version offerings across hosts change with the new requirement of 5.6 and up in WordPress 5.2 by grabbing a baseline before 5.2 and then again at 30, 60 and 90 day intervals.

If hosts are unable to gather those metrics by the release of 5.2, any information on adoption rates for newer versions of PHP are welcomed.

It was noted that many hosts started enforcing use of PHP 5.6 and higher prior to the new WordPress 5.2 PHP requirement being issued.

Feedback

If you missed this week’s meeting and have questions or feedback, leave a comment on this post and share your thoughts! OR….Come join for the next meeting!

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, May 1st, 2019 at 1700 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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