Hosting Team Chat: Wednesday, March 4, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, March 4, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, March 4, 2020, at 1800 UTC Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The 0900 meeting was led by @mikeschroder and the 1800 meeting was led by @amykamala!

The following team members attended this week: @fahimmurshed @pfefferle @xkon @mazeheld @passoniate @mike @javiercesares @hristo-sg @skithund @clorith @pbiron  @brettface @mazzomaz @carl-alberto @mikeschroder @amykamala

WordPress Highlights

5.4 Changes That May Affect Hosts

Some CSS and markup changes may affect the look and feel of a website, particularly if the theme isn’t following coding best practices. A few notable changes are:

  • default padding in blocks will be removed
  • legacy editor- class names are being removed

What this means for hosts is that because websites might look a little different after updating to 5.4, hosts may need prepare support staff or update their product systems to compensate. Developers may want to rework CSS to compensate. More information on CSS changes in 5.4 can be found here.

Gutenberg 7.6

Theres a new version of Gutenberg and it will offer a number of bug fixes and enhancements as well as some fun options for developers, such as new blocks! Check out whats new in Gutenberg 7.6 here.

Community Happenings

WordCamp Cancellations

Due to the coronavirus epidemic a number of upcoming WordCamps and MeetUps may either be cancelled, rescheduled or moved to online. The community team has released some guidelines for organizers for handling event cancellations.

Hosting Team Happenings

Daylight Savings Time

Daylight Savings starts this month. Time zones are shifting for Daylight Savings on the following dates: 

  • March 8 – US starts DST
  • March 29 – UK/EU starts DST
  • April 5 – AU ends DST

Traditionally, the hosting team adjusts meeting times a few weeks after all of the regions have shifted times. Should the hosting team adjust the meeting times again this year to stay inline with Daylight Savings Time changes?

09:00 meeting attendees stated that although many folks don’t participate in Daylight Savings, the group is comfortable with sticking to 09:00 UTC for the meeting time even if that means a shift in local time.

18:00 attendees also favored adjusting to Daylight Savings time, keeping the meeting at 18:00 UTC.

SimpleXML PHP Extension

The Core Sitemaps feature plugin team is looking for information from hosts about the availability of the SimpleXML PHP extension.

  • Do your hosting systems offer platforms that do not support the extension?
  • Would customers be disadvantaged of the core sitemap feature “failed gracefully” with an error message if the extension is unavailable?

@pfefferle mentioned that IONOS does support the SimpleXML extension.

@mazeheld also stated that their teams support the extension.

@hristo-sg stated that SiteGround has SimpleXML enabled across systems.

@skithund linked to trac #48116; a proposal for tracking php extension usage.

Thank you to all hosts who have provided information!

Team Contributor Badges

The following are ways that a volunteer currently can earn a hosting contributor badge:

  • Accepted PRs to the distributed tests
  • Contributions to the documentation for best practices
  • Helping to lead meetings or write up notes
  • Actively participating in meetings regularly and giving feedback on things discussed.
  • Helping out at a contributor day

@xkon recommended that if a hosting representative has implemented and/or is maintaining the phpunit test runner and reporter on their hosting systems, that they should be eligible for a badge.

@mikeschroder agreed that should be included.

Team members are in consensus that any contribution that meets these requirements, big or small, is a contribution worth recognition.

@mikeschroder pointed out that smaller contributions are great ways for new contributors to get more involved, also stating that the handbook can always be updated if this criteria changes.

@pfefferle suggested that folks have the ability to nominate each other for a contributor badge, and @xkon thought that idea “is a nice touch”.

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Chat: Wednesday, February 26, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, February 26, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 26, 2020, at 1800 UTC Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The 0900 meeting was led by @mikeschroder and the 1800 meeting was led by @amykamala! Thanks to @mikeschroder for reviewing these notes!

The following team members attended this week: @fahimmurshed @pmbaldha @skithund @xkon @passoniate @brettface @pbiron  @mikeschroder @amykamala @crixu

WordPress Highlights

5.4 Beta Version 3!

There’s a lot in store for WordPress version 5.4 and you can test the most recent version today! WordPress 5.4 Beta 3 is now available!

Hosts are welcome to test this Beta version and relay any issues or concerns back to WordPress.org!

Community Happenings

Pop Up Live Stream

There was a Pop Up Livestream on Friday, February 22nd, 2020 that featured a series of talks and interviews. The talks ranged in topic covering Gutenberg, GraphQL, interviews with organizers and community members from the region and an interview with Matt Mullenweg!

Here is the announcement about it. If you weren’t able to catch it live, you can watch the replay here, and soon on WordPress.tv.

Hosting Team Happenings

Test Failures and Fixes

There has recently been an increase in phpunit test failures and the hosting team is looking into a fix for that. There’s a GitHub issue for it here. @mikeschroder set up a workaround.

Team Check-In

A number of attendees have been requesting hosting badges and @fahimmurshed asked what qualifies someone to receive a hosting contributor badge. The Hosting Team Reps promised to take steps to more clearly define this in the handbook. This will be discussed further at the next meeting.

WordPress core and the Core Sitemaps feature plugin team are looking for statistics from hosts about the availability of the SimpleXML PHP extension.

As a host, do your systems support and enable this extension globally? Do you offer hosting platforms that do not support the extension? Will any of your customers be disadvantaged if the core sitemaps (when the feature plugin is merged into core) were a no-op if you do not support the PHP extension? This will also be discussed further at the next meeting. Thanks so much for your feedback, everyone!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday February 19, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, February 19, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 19, 2020, at 1800 UTC

Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The 0900 meeting was led by @crixu and the 1800 meeting was led by @jadonn!

Thanks to @jadonn for the peer review on these notes!

The following team members joined us this week: @pfefferle @mazeheld @gtaniguchi @hristo-sg @xkon @passoniate @amykamala @crixu @jadonn

WordPress Highlights

Community Team Reps 2020

Community Team Reps for 2020 have been announced! A lot of folks are looking forward to a fantastic year with these two amazing reps at the forefront of the WordPress community!

Sneak Peek into WordPress 5.4

Check out these new features in the works for WordPress 5.4!

Community Happenings

WordCamp EU Call for Contributor Stories

WordCamp Europe has invited contributors to submit their stories to potentially be featured at WCEU and on the WCEU blog! Find out more info here.

Hosting Team Happenings

PHP Test Runner Multiple Submissions Project

The hosting team has started a GitHub project to improve the phpunit test runner and reporter submissions process.

A number of hosting team members have expressed a desire to be able to make multiple test report submissions from the same user. As such, the project to implement the improvements kicked off this week. The project is currently in a research phase, and volunteers are welcome!

@pfefferle mentioned that their team is “currently working on adding a shared hosting stack and are also interested in the multi submission part”

@gtaniguchi stated they feel inspired to help improve hosting pages for beginner users.

Thanks everyone!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday February 12, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, February 12th, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 12th, 2020 at 1800 UTC

Here is the Slack archive for this week’s 0900 meeting.

The 0900 meeting was led by @mikeschroder and the 1800 meeting by @jadonn!

Attendees: @crixu @xkon @hristo-sg @passionate @danfoster @javiercasares @lcf @mikeschroder @jadonn @amykamala

Highlights

WordPress 5.4 Beta 1

The first Beta of WordPress 5.4 has been released and beta testing is encouraged. WordPress 5.4 beta v1 can be downloaded here.

WordCamp Asia Cancelled

WordCamp Asia has cancelled. More information on that found here.

Hosting Team Happenings

Test Runner and Reporter Multiple Submissions Project

The hosting team is starting a GitHub project geared towards making improvements and updates to the phpunit test runner and reporter. The project is kicking off with a feature request for the runner and reporter to facilitate multiple result submissions per host. The project is in its research phase and anyone who wishes to get involved is welcome to!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 19, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday February 5, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, February 5, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 5, 2020, at 1800 UTC

Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The 0900 meeting was led by @mikeschroder and the 1800 meeting was led by @amykamala!

@crixu peer reviewed these notes before publishing, which is much appreciated!

Attendees: @crixu @xkon @passoniate @clorith @danfoster @gtaniguchi @IvanP @abramoca  @javiercasares @hristo-sg @mikeschroder @amykamala

WordPress Highlights

Global Community Sponsors 2020

WordPress Global Community Sponsors for 2020 have been announced! Thank you to the following hosts for your sponsorship of WordPress and all it’s moving parts:

Bluehost, GoDaddy, GreenGeeks, Liquid Web !!!

Thank you to Jetpack and WooCommerce as well for your global sponsorship! More details on this years sponsors can be found here while more detailed information on Global Community Sponsorship is available here.

@hristo-sg mentioned that the Global Community Sponsors for 2020 have been forwarded to their events and sponsorship team for consideration!

Community Happenings

Design Team Call for Involvement

The design team has put out a call for feedback on Gutenberg and asked for help with creating designs. Jump in if you feel inspired!

WordCamp Phoenix

WordCamp Phoenix is this weekend on the 7th and 8th! Lots of folks were out today in the 1800 meeting while traveling to WCPHX! There’s going to be a contributor day, but not a hosting table this year. Last year brought in over 600 attendees and this year is expected to be just as amazing!

WordCamp Asia

WordCamp Asia is in the end of February! There is going to be a ‘Get Involved’ table at Contributor day. More info found here.

@mikeschroder stated that he’s going to be helping lead contributor day with the hosting team and is looking forward to working with everyone!

Hosting Team Discussion

Mini Bug Scrub / Triage

There are some open issues for the test runner and open issues for the reporter plugin. The hosting team held a mini bug-scrub or triage today to help get momentum behind making improvements to the phpunit test runner and reporter.

@crixu volunteered to take on Runner Issue 91 regarding adding Travis documentation to the handbook. @crixu also mentioned that he’s researching ways to best support the test runner on internal systems to enable partners to contribute with more ease in the future.

@mikeschroder suggested building in some example test scripts for the test runner in hosting and test documentation, as well. Runner Issue 102 was created to follow up on that idea.

@xkon and @sergeybiryukov took ownership of Runner Issue 89 which turned into Trac #49367, this commit and this patch.

Well done, everyone!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 12, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday January 29, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, January 29, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 29, 2020, at 1800 UTC

Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The 0900 meeting was led by @mikeschroder and @amykamala led the second meeting at 1800 UTC.

Attendees: @crixu @xkon @javiercasares @duchesscorp @mazeheld @brettface @fahimmurshed @dhsean @supersoju @mikeschroder @amykamala

Agenda

## Welcome!
## Highlights
- Release Model Working Group
- 5.4 Schedule
- E2E Testing: 3 Recent Test Reporter additions -- Thanks!
## Conversation
- WordCamp EU: Leave no contributor behind
## Updates:
- What did y'all work on last week? Plans to work on this week?
## Open Floor

Highlights

Release Model Working Group

A Release Model Working Group is being formed and had its first meeting on January 29th. The working group is aimed to help streamline the release process, taking into consideration the ambitious release schedule set for 2020. More details on the working group found here.

WordPress 5.4 Schedule

The WordPress 5.4 development cycle is underway with the first Beta version geared for release in February!

E2E Testing – Recent Test Reporter Additions

There were 3 new test runner submissions put in recently! Thank you to everyone who contributes to testing!

Testing helps keep WordPress informed on common issues that hosts encounter, which supports the improvement process.

Conversation

WordCamp EU – Leave No Contributor Behind

WordCamp EU is coming up in June! The organizing team has put a call out for volunteers for Contributor day!

@mikeschroder mentioned that he would love to hear how folks think a contributor day would be best spent. People are welcome to share their thoughts in the comments!

@JavierCasares suggested that the hosting team “try to prepare some ideas / projects before the CD, accept or reject in some meetings (or plan them) and then discuss at the CD.”

Updates

@mikeschroder recently iterated on this ‘Media Upload Request Flow’ article and plans on spending more time improving on documentation.

@xkon submitted some new issues to the Test Reporter Github.

@duchesscorp mentioned that they’re in the process of setting up the test runner and may have some feedback soon.

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday, January 22, 2020

Here’s the summary of our meetings in #hosting-community on Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 22, 2020 at 1800 UTC

(Slack archive).

Meeting Notes

@crixu and @jadonn spearheaded the conversations this week!

Attendees: @xkon @lichttraeumer @brettface @duchesscorp @fahimmurshed @crixu @jadonn @amykamala

Agenda

-Announcements—
WordPress 5.4:
Bug Scrub schedule WordPress 5.4
WordPress 5.4 tracs and more info
Community Industry Awards!
—Hosting Team Happenings—
E2E testing
Handbook
-Open Floor–

Announcements

Development on WordPress 5.4 has begun, with an ambitious development cycle planned!

In the 1800 meeting @amykamala mentioned that many businesses and developers are being sued for non-compliance with accessibility standards in California and other parts of the USA.

Community Industry Awards

Congratulations to @chanthaboune and @andreamiddleton for being nominated for CMX Awards! Well deserved! Thank you both for all that you do for the WordPress community!

Folks are welcome to vote for them here.

 E2E testing

@xkon re-introduced the idea of phpunit-tests supporting multiple submissions or reports from hosts. He shared this batch script to automate the setup of the phpunit-test-runner on his github. This can be used on various infrastructures and triggered with a cron job.

This is a great starting point for improving end to end testing.

Hosting Handbook

@mikeschroder has updated the /hosting team page heading

@mikeschroder also created this team-projects page to help new contributors get involved. 

Documentation, of course, is always being updated and improved. If anyone has anything to add or suggest please don’t hesitate to share.

Open Floor

An inquiry was made as to how results shown on the test results page are prioritized. @crixu pointed out that the page displays ten reports per revision sorted by the company name A-Z.

@xcon suggested that the page display a full list of results.

Feel free to share your own thoughts in the comments!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday, January 15, 2020

This is the summary of both meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, January 15th, 2020 at 0900 UTC (0900 UTC Meeting) and Wednesday, January 15th, 2020 at 1800 UTC (1800 UTC Meeting). (Slack archive).

Meeting notes

@mikeschroder led the 0900 UTC conversation!

@jadonn led the 1800 UTC conversation!

Attendees of 0900 UTC meeting: @hristo-sg @Crixu @clorith @javiercasares @gtaniguchi

Attendees of 1800 UTC meeting: @amykamala, @jadonn, @Crixu

Topics

Housekeeping

0900 UTC

@mikeschroder can’t lead next week’s APAC meeting and is looking for a volunteer to lead next week’s meeting. @Crixu agreed to take over the lead for this meeting.

1800 UTC

@jadonn calls for volunteers to help with notes and organizing and leading meetings. If anyone is interested in it feel free to post in #hosting-community or DM @amykamala, @mikeschroder or @jadonn for more information.

We discussed about naming the meetings according to its target audiences. Current ideas are:

  • AM and PM Meeting
  • APAC/EMEA and EM/AM Meeting

Feel free to comment on what names you prefer in the comment section.

Open Floor

0900 UTC

@mikeschroder left some comments on the test runner and places to contribute here: https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C3D6T7F8Q/p1579075230111800
Started some edits on pages in the Hosting team site. Most obvious is the header, where I added a list of potential places to contribute.

@mikeschroder also started to do some edits to the hosting team sites. Most obvious is the header, where he added a list of potential places to contribute.

@gtaniguchi raised again the importance to have multiple environments under 1 account for the php-unit-tests. Additionally, @gtaniguchi raised also the question regarding the need for nodeJS, grunt and so on for the tests as these tools couldn’t be installed on some environments and the WordPress Core don’t need them. @mikeschroder clarified that these tools are needed in the preparation environment and not the final testing environment. They set up a separate VPS that connects to the testing environment via SSH as the tools are needed to prepare the testing environment. Another option suggested by @mikeschroder would be to skip the building of WordPress each time the test is done. If such a feature is wished someone should open an issue for this on github.

@Crixu asked for the attendees of the contributor day on the upcoming WordCamp Asia 2020. Of the participants, @mikeschroder will join so far.

1800 UTC

@Crixu brought up an issue with some servers located in China which returned an HTTP-Code 429 while trying to get the latest package from wordpress.org. Leave a comment if you encountered a similar issue.

Next Meeting

The next meeting will be in #hosting-community on Wednesday, January 22th, 2020 at 0900 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday January 8, 2020

This is the summary of *both* meetings in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, January 8, 2020, at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 8, 2020, at 1800 UTC

Welcome back!

Kicking off the new year with a new meeting schedule and notes for both meetings combined into one!

Here is the Slack archive for this week’s meetings.

The first meeting of the year at 0900 UTC was led by @mikeschroder while @jadonn led the conversation in the 1800 UTC meeting.

Attendees: @hristo-sg @javiercasares @xkon @hristo-sg @mazeheld @mikeschroder @jadonn @amykamala @jacobo

Announcements

New Meeting Schedule

The Hosting team meetings are now on the same UTC day (Wednesday) — with one at 0900 UTC and one at 1800 UTC.

The team will try the new times out as discussions continue. Thoughts that have been voiced so far are:

  • 0900 UTC May be too late in the day for the APAC time zone.
  • Because this is early in the day in the EU, 0900 may also not be a good time for folks who are starting their work day during that hour.

Team Check-In

Checking in with the team at the start of the new year, some interesting projects were shared!

@javiercasares shared that he’s been working on hosting and contribution tutorials in Spanish.

@mikeschroder asked if folks would find official versions of the handbook in other languages useful.

@mazeheld mentioned working on an article on “how to run multiple instances of the unit tests on several setups for hosts”, also bringing up that “unless you register a different user for every env only the last run test result will be listed on the make.wordpress.org host test results”. @mikeschroder opened an issue for this.

@xkon shared an example script for implementing the distributed hosting tests! Thanks!

@mikeschroder mentioned that he’d “love to be able to handle multiple submissions per host”.

The test runners can be found here and the plugin can be found here.

On-Boarding!

The Hosting team is discussing improvements on team on-boarding.

@mikeschroder mentioned distributed automated testing documentation is “missing some examples of how it might work on a real system”.

@javiercasares suggested that a list of functions the Hosting team serves be created.

@mikeschroder requested that if anyone has real life examples to help support documentation improvements that they share them, and pointed out this GitHub issue.

In the 1800 UTC meeting a few new members introduced themselves! Welcome!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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Hosting Meeting Notes: Wednesday December 18, 2019

This is the summary of the meeting in #hosting-community on Slack on Wednesday, December 18, 2019, at 1700 UTC (Slack archive).

@jadonn led this conversation!

Attendees: @fahimmurshed @crixu @grafruessel @amykamala

Announcements

WordPress 5.3.1 Released

WordPress 5.3.1 was released on December 12, 2019!

WordPress 5.3.2 RC 1

The first WordPress 5.3.2 Release Candidate is available for testing:

WordPress 5.4!

WordPress 5.4 is scheduled for release in March 2020! Folks can check out the WordPress 5.4 Development Road Map here.

WordPress 5.4 Open Call for Tickets

Theres an open call for suggestions for WordPress 5.4! Feel free to submit a ticket with your ideas for WordPress 5.4, or if you’d like to highlight something for discussion you can comment on the open call post!

Hosting Team Happenings

2019 Meetings Concluded

This meeting was the last hosting team meeting of 2019! Thank you to everyone who has contributed and participated this past year! Meetings will reconvene on Wednesday January 8th, 2020! Happy Holidays!

Meeting Time Changes

Over the past few weeks team members have provided feedback in a survey regarding Meetings days and times. Thank you to everyone who participated! Based on survey results, the overwhelming majority are in favor of both meetings occurring every week on Wednesdays at 0900 and 1800 UTC, instead of the current alternating schedule.

Starting January 6, 2020, Hosting meeting days and times are changing. Both team meetings will be on Wednesdays every week, at 0900 UTC and 1800 UTC. Please note, there will be no more meetings on Mondays, moving forward.

Both meetings will share an agenda, and possibly share meeting notes. The hope is that team communication will become more inclusive, engaged and productive.

Open Floor

In an effort to provide more visibility into team projects as well as offer a point of entry for new contributors, @grafruessel announced that they made a Trello board for the hosting team.

@jadonn mentioned that it sounds useful, also stating that at the moment there are no projects to track.

@grafruessel stated that the German hosting community has discussed a trello board helping the hosting team become more accessible. In the start of the year the trello board can be more filled out, possibly starting with updating the Handbook.

@jadonn agreed that it’s time to revisit updating the documents, handbook and best practices information to assure those are current. The Hosting team hasn’t worked on it in several months. He asked @grafruessel to put together a simple example board or card for updating the handbook to demonstrate how it can be valuable.

@grafruessel will be starting that next year and may need some help!

Next Meeting

The next meetings will be in the #hosting-community channel on Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 0900 UTC and Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 1800 UTC. Hope to see you then!

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