10:03:03 From Zoom 2 to Everyone : https://stickies.io/boards/609e751eaac24675a53c7431#1
10:04:16 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : So we’re using the stickies instead of the chat? Or does it have a different purpose
10:04:56 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : 👌🏼
10:05:05 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : The stickies have a bit more permanence
10:06:24 From Jeffrey Pearce to Everyone : https://stickies.io/boards/609e751eaac24675a53c7431#1
10:07:02 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I think this is just for when streaming/sharing your screen
10:14:30 From Ben Dwyer to Everyone : https://stickies.io/boards/609e751eaac24675a53c7431#1
10:15:00 From Paal Joachim Romdahl to Everyone : Thanks!
10:18:40 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : What was the point of incognito mode btw? We’re still seeing everything now haha :D
10:18:57 From Tammie Lister to Everyone : Yes but not who wrote it - which is nice for people
10:19:21 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Ahhh got it :)
10:19:24 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Thanks
10:20:50 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I started embracing Gutenberg last week, so you weren’t THAT late ;)
10:24:31 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : Thank you Jeff
10:25:22 From Abha NonStopNewsUK to Everyone : (No microphone available, so will type in this chat). Really helpful to have the universal theme clearly defined. From what we are looking at, wonder if it needs to be called theme as it brings up particular expectations and what it will do. From what I understood, this will be much more than a theme?
10:25:24 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I think themes have always been meant for only styling, and a lot of themes that added way more will now have to become the thing that themes were meant to be originally
10:28:04 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I’m not even sure if the name “Universal theme” is the right term. It sounds like a theme that support every way of editing, Gutenberg and the classic editor + ACF + CPT. I hope the new themes will be styling for core blocks only, and optionally also ship a plugin that adds extra custom blocks in the same style.
10:28:30 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : That would bring a lot more consistency, especially when switching between themes
10:29:01 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : sorry if I got off topic there.
10:30:15 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : Love that Tammie. Yes.
10:34:06 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : three years is a long grey area
10:34:34 From Allan Cole to Everyone : Transitional Themes
10:35:11 From Abha NonStopNewsUK to Everyone : Definitely agree with Tammie that users should not have to know about these things. Love the analogy that it is like changing clothing, and will help more users understand. 

The naming for the future will help to avoid a description that is confusing with another existing term within WordPress or in general usage in web work in general.
10:36:13 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : This is a concept that we’ve just started to explore
10:36:28 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : The name is not as important as what it wants to explore
10:41:04 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : The transition should be smooth and not too overwhelming. Deadlines to transition to new editors, but small deadlines at a time. Maybe first take the editor away for only blog posts, then pages, then sidebars, etc…
10:41:27 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : There’s no deadline, since the old way of doing themes is not going away, is it?
10:41:31 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Start small, and as soon as they’re used to it the rest will probably go smoothly
10:42:01 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : @Maggie, for now WordPress has said to support it until at least 2022, and longer if necessary. But there’s no guarantee it will stay forever
10:42:36 From Carolina Nymark to Everyone : classic themes is not the same as themes using the classic editor, sorry for the confusion
10:42:40 From Abha NonStopNewsUK to Everyone : Focusing on what it does in terms of what it allows users to do will be helpful for them to get used to it on different levels, and can be targeted to different user experiences / usage
10:42:43 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : Do you have a link about that? I might have missed it
10:42:59 From Carolina Nymark to Everyone : it can be nay theme that basically does not work well with or does not style blocks
10:43:02 From Carolina Nymark to Everyone : *any
10:43:09 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : https://wordpress.org/plugins/classic-editor/
10:43:14 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : It’s in the description :)
10:43:39 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : Ah, Ben, I entered this meeting thinking in the exact converse of what you just said....
10:43:51 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : I won’t talking about the editor, I was talking about classic themes vs block themes
10:43:56 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : Wasn’t
10:44:21 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : A php theme which has enough to enable a FSE “experience” even where FSE cannot support all the functionality of my super functional ecommerce setup
10:45:57 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Will things like theme.json not conflict with existing styles?
10:46:34 From Carolina Nymark to Everyone : the custom properties are prefixed but yes they may conflict in other ways
10:46:57 From Tammie Lister to Everyone : Avoiding conflicts and soothing those flows seems like great iteration space during this work.
10:47:21 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Good one, thanks
10:51:07 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : I promise to test….
10:51:56 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I’m going to be spending the entire weekend to learning theming for Gutenberg (and learning the React necessary), will make trac tickets for all bugs found
10:52:32 From Herb Miller to Everyone : That's going to be a long weekend!
10:52:35 From Ben Dwyer to Everyone : Tom, if you’re just themeing Gutenberg, you shouldn’t need to learn any React :)
10:52:46 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : Yep no react necessary
10:53:10 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : @Ben Good to know, that was one of my questions! I think I do want to add a plugin to it though, making some custom blocks like “reviews”, “icons”, etc
10:53:16 From Tammie Lister to Everyone : I’d also say you don’t need to learn React.. I don’t really know it. But similarly, if you find a bug reporting on GitHub is also super useful over Trac.
10:53:21 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : @Herb, but hopefully a fun one haha
10:53:23 From Carolina Nymark to Everyone : a little bit of JSON formatting knowledge helps for theme.json
10:53:31 From Daisy Olsen to Everyone : The TT1 Blocks theme is really helpful to see how everything works. I’d suggest starting there.
10:53:43 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : I know JSON :) Sorry I might be distracting everyone in the chat right now, haha
10:53:50 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : It’s fine
10:54:01 From Ben Dwyer to Everyone : Yeah TT1 Blocks is a great starting point
10:54:01 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Thanks Daisy!
10:54:31 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : I’m going to shamelessly drop a link to https://github.com/wordpress/theme-experiments if you are interested on building block based themes
10:54:42 From Ben Dwyer to Everyone : Also emptytheme is a good boilerplate :)
10:54:44 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Bookmarked :)
10:54:48 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : +1
10:55:56 From Herb Miller to Everyone : Also everyone review the latest PR for how to develop and FSE theme.
10:56:07 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : Thanks so much Jeff for facilitating this hangout
10:56:26 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Yeah thanks Jeff :)
10:56:44 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : Thank you Jeff. Awesome. Really great conversation starter.
10:57:01 From Herb Miller to Everyone : https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/blob/trunk/docs/how-to-guides/themes/theme-json.md
10:57:06 From Jennifer Brueske to Everyone : Thanks Jeff!
10:57:09 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : ^
10:57:43 From hamza to Everyone : Thanks Jeff
10:58:07 From Maggie Cabrera (she/her) to Everyone : https://gutenberg-theme.xyz/
10:58:12 From Kjell to Everyone : It’s up to date as of last week.
10:58:49 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : Just where we can continue connecting on this topic
10:58:50 From Zoom 2 to Everyone : https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/pull/31269
10:59:24 From Zoom 2 to Everyone : https://github.com/WordPress/theme-experiments/pull/257
11:01:01 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : ah - yes. we discussed yesterday ;)
11:01:41 From Meg Phillips to Everyone : well I will share with you guys my experiment of trying to get my WooCommerce captain’s supporting theme moved into a block theme
11:01:57 From Paul Bigai to Everyone : Thanks Jeff, really appreciating being part of this interesting meeting!
11:01:59 From Tom de Visser to Everyone : Thanks!