annezazu 4:56 pm on March 16, 2022

FSE Program: Bring your questions – Round Four

With WordPress 5.9 introducing full site editing and WordPress 6.0 in the works, it’s time for another round of questions. If possible, please focus questions specifically around WordPress 6.0 as those will be the most high impact to address ahead of this upcoming release. You are welcome to submit questions using the form below or to leave them as a comment on this post by March 30th, 2022.

Submit Questions

Like the last few times, keep in mind that because various pieces are still very much in progress some answers will be less definitive and more context setting. This is especially true for features/milestones that are planned for the 6.0 release and beyond.

Where will you share the answers?

I’ll share a recap post on this blog (Make Test). Questions will either be grouped with corresponding answers for easy review or will be shared in one post, depending on the number of submissions received. I will track down answers to every question and share my work as I go by creating a collaborative Google doc where people can help find answers or simply see how the work evolves. I very much welcome collaboration here!

While the main result will be a lovely list of answers, this collective effort will also be useful for future documentation updates and potential tutorials. Once the post is published, I will follow up via email with everyone who left their email and a question in the form. For anyone who leaves a question as a comment on this post, I will @ your username in the recap post so you don’t miss out too!

For more information about this program, please review this FAQ for helpful details. To properly join the fun, please head to #fse-outreach-experiment in Make Slack for future testing announcements, helpful posts, and more will be shared there.

Changelog: Updated to indicate this is round four of questions rather than round three.

Justin Ahinon 8:24 am on January 21, 2022
Tags: e2e tests

Meeting notes: Discussion about Playwright as the e2e framework for WordPress

Date: January 20, 2022.

We held a meeting to explore the feasibility of migrating to Playwright for e2e testing in WordPress Core and in Gutenberg.

Participants: @juhise, @boniu91, @kevin940726, @isabel_brison, @worldomonation @monikarao, Andrey Lushnikov, @mxschmitt.

Playwright migration proposal: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLXztqHNMZ95kOy8nPFJ9qdiQGiKGvexwHaJQACP_GQ

What are the things the test team is looking for that the current stack (Puppeteer + Jest) does not provide

Auto waiting mechanism
Stable APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways.
Stable tests
A maintained test runner: WordPress currently maintains it owns version of Jest runner
Better debugging tools

These are things that either miss on our current e2e tests stack, or are not straightforward to have; and that Playwright offers out of the box.

MigrationMigration Moving the code, database and media files for a website site from one server to another. Most typically done when changing hosting companies. methodology

There are two different methodologies that can be used to migrate to Playwright.

Create parallel packages that will contain the tests with Playwright. For example e2e-tests-playwright, e2e-tests-utils-playwright. This method has the advantage of having a clean separation between the tests with the old stack, and the new tests. On the other hand, it will mean maintaining four different packages for the tests and can quickly become difficult to manage.
Implement the new tests in the existing packages. For example, for the buttons.test.js test, have another pw-buttons.test.js file. This method avoids creating new packages.

The general recommendation is to use the second option.

Next steps

We have found it best to start the implementations only after the release of WordPress 5.9 which is on January 25th.

This recap will be mentioned in the next WordPress test team meeting. Depending on the feedback we get, we will start the process according to the roadmap included in this document.

#e2e-tests

annezazu 8:59 pm on October 21, 2021
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FSE Program Pattern Party Summary

This post is a summary of the tenth (!) call for testing for the FSE outreach program. Per usual, I love an excuse to celebrate so here are some fun stats to continue the party:

There have been Italian translations for nearly every single call for testing thanks to @piermario. This consistent hard work has allowed folks from the Italian community to better stay up to date and involved in these efforts.
There have been numerous Japanese translations and group calls for testing through WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Japan thanks to @mimitips @ippei-sumida @atachibana (and likely others!). Similar to the Italian translations, it’s wonderful to see a pathway created here for the Japanese community to be involved.
@paaljoachim has responded to every single call for testing with comprehensive feedback each time! It’s wildly helpful to have someone be so consistent in exploring each test over time.
There have been 69 badges given to folks who have responded to the various calls for testing with an average of 1.6 replies per person (meaning most folks don’t just contribute once).

Thank you to every single person who has come along for the first ten calls for testing. Here’s to at least ten more (Twenty more? Thirty more?).

For this specific release, I want to offer special thanks to @piermario for the Italian translation, Yoast for focusing attention on this call for testing for their latest contributor dayContributor Day Contributor Days are standalone days, frequently held before or after WordCamps but they can also happen at any time. They are events where people get together to work on various areas of https://make.wordpress.org/ There are many teams that people can participate in, each with a different focus. https://2017.us.wordcamp.org/contributor-day/ https://make.wordpress.org/support/handbook/getting-started/getting-started-at-a-contributor-day/., and @sparklingrobots for bravely walking through their experience for the call for testing on a hallway hangout.

Finally, shout out to the following folks as first time contributors to a call for testing: @evarlese, @oksankaa, @nynkedeblaauw, @suascat_wp, @mikes41720, @iamyvonne, @adetolah, @josevarghese, @ankurchauhan126. Get excited – you now have a testing contributor badge on your WordPress profile!

High level Feedback

Here’s what a few folks had to say about the overall experience that can help frame the following more specific feedback. Generally speaking, most folks found problems with more of the details of the experience rather than running into any major blockers with UXUX UX is an acronym for User Experience - the way the user uses the UI. Think ‘what they are doing’ and less about how they do it., crashing, bugs, etc that prevented them from doing what they wanted to do. Tied to this, much of the feedback centered around the desire to be able to go even further than what’s currently possible, which is reflected in the robust Feature Requests section.

While some things are still not totally intuitive to new users, I feel that GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ made more big steps ahead in just a few months. I enjoy creating content in it and some of the things I have in mind are easier to achieve.
@piermario

It’s been fun testing out the ‘query loopLoop The Loop is PHP code used by WordPress to display posts. Using The Loop, WordPress processes each post to be displayed on the current page, and formats it according to how it matches specified criteria within The Loop tags. Any HTML or PHP code in the Loop will be processed on each post. https://codex.wordpress.org/The_Loop.’ blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. in FSE. No crashes or bugs. The saving worked properly.
@mikes41720

Confirmed bugs

What follows are confirmed bugs that break expected functionality or the experience of different features. Thankfully, there were only a few of these items!

Wide alignment does not work correctly in the editor for the Query Loop block.
Query Loop block toolbar does not scale down well.
Not all blocks are shown in Inserter when selecting the Column inner block, making it seem as if you can’t add many blocks.

General Usability Feedback

Overall, most of the feedback for this section surrounded taking very specific actions or insights around how pieces fit together rather than a massive gap in the experience or a blocker to accomplishing a task. As a result, I’ve included more quotes than usual below to help give more context to what was shared. Of note, some are repeat items from previous tests and are labeled as such below.

It’s not clear when you are adding a theme block outside of the Query Loop vs within. In this case, it was confusing when the Post Comment Count block wasn’t properly displaying the number of comments and it wasn’t clear the issue was that it needed to be within the loop. There’s an open issue to discuss this general phenomenon.
Frustration around the two step saving process and feeling like it is slowing the process down. There are designs in progress to improve this experience to make it easier, at a glance to know what’s happening.
The W menu item proves to be a point of confusion, especially when trying to go back to the dashboard. This was brought up by four folks very recently if you include the comments on this additional design post (repeat).
The “create new post” in the description for Query Loop block feels like it runs the risk of breaking someone out of the site editing experience.
There was confusion around using the different filters for the Query Loop block that lines up nicely with this broader discussion and exploration around a more intuitive “Query Builder”.
The Post title block color settings are hard to get right since it changes based on whether you make the title a link or not (repeat).
It’s not obvious how you can customize the Read more link text with folks often not always understanding that you can (repeat).
Make it easier to switch back to the initial pattern for the Query Loop block (repeat).
Provide a way to view the template while editing a post (repeat).
When selecting categories to filterFilter Filters are one of the two types of Hooks https://codex.wordpress.org/Plugin_API/Hooks. They provide a way for functions to modify data of other functions. They are the counterpart to Actions. Unlike Actions, filters are meant to work in an isolated manner, and should never have side effects such as affecting global variables and output. with the Query Loop block, allow the categories to be in a list rather than needing to be manually typed out (repeat).
Desire for a revamp of the Query Loop block settings in general as there is repeated confusion around where settings are (block toolbar vs sidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme., improving the settings language). Some design ideas around a Query Loop builder were shared to address this as this test continued.
Every nested block takes on the styles set in theme.jsonJSON JSON, or JavaScript Object Notation, is a minimal, readable format for structuring data. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML., which felt unexpected and lacking nuance (no issue created).

For the Query Block specifically, I’m not sure if this is expected, but I didn’t find a way to get back to the initial layout options if I wanted to change.
@evarlese

I had to open a new tab and go to Posts -> Categories and check out the names of the categories. It would be very useful with the multi select so that we can easily choose various categories from a drop down.
@paaljoachim

It makes sense that ‘Post Categories’ and ‘Post Tags’ blocks can only work within the Query Loop block and when editing a Post and each would display categories and tags associated with that post. However, when someone tries to insert those blocks on the Page outside the Query loop block would just drop the spinning icon. Probably, because as we know Page has no categoryCategory The 'category' taxonomy lets you group posts / content together that share a common bond. Categories are pre-defined and broad ranging. and outside the Query Loop, it can’t query the category. ‘Categories’ block would however work.
@suascat_wp

Query Loop – the anchor link of ‘create a new post’ leads to creating a new post or page (depending on the post type chosen in the settings), but I felt like it would break interaction with full site editing since it leads you to create a totally new post or page using the block editor.
@mikes41720

Post ExcerptExcerpt An excerpt is the description of the blog post or page that will by default show on the blog archive page, in search results (SERPs), and on social media. With an SEO plugin, the excerpt may also be in that plugin’s metabox. – there’s a section to ‘add “read more” link text‘ (which I’m not sure what it means?) that if you click on, it doesn’t show the blinking “|” which signifies that you can add text to it (although it does work and you can add text). If you click directly right after it, it’ll then show the blinking “|” and that acts as more of a sign that you can modify and add text. It might be a bit confusing for some users from a visual cue standpoint.
@mikes41720

I’m having a hard time adding the columns within the Query Loop block unless have to do it via the help of list view.
@iamyvonne

I was playing with the theme.json and added under the styles section on the file a font size for coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress./post-title for the page, that syle is applyed at the root level so every nested core/post-title will inherit this stile and it’s ok abviously, it’s a css behavior, this is something to pay attention because now with blocks we must take into account much more kind of indentation of blocks than before where we had well-defined structures.
@overclokk

I’m still misled by the WordPress button in the top left corner of the Site Editor. I know that its function toggles a menu open/close, but being the WordPress logo such a familiar affordance, I often click on it in auto-mode expecting to come back to the dashboard…way too many clicks if I just want to “escape” to the dashboard or the live site.
@piermario

I often feel the “double” saving step slows me down and in 99% of the cases, the options provided in “Select the changes you want to save” are something I don’t want to check off.
@piermario

Feature Requests

Generally speaking, at a high level, most feature requests in this section come down to two things: more design tool options and more settings for blocks. As with the previous section, some are repeat items from previous tests and are labeled as such below.

General desire for more dimension controls, including specifically for more Columns controls to change the spacing between (mentioned twice, repeat).
Desire for more options for post author block (repeat).
Allow using featured image as background for a group block in order to add the post title on top of featured imageFeatured image A featured image is the main image used on your blog archive page and is pulled when the post or page is shared on social media. The image can be used to display in widget areas on your site or in a summary list of posts. (repeat).
Enable option to upload an image within the placeholder for the Featured Image block.
Consider having the “Make title a link” setting on by default in Query Loop context for the Post Title block.
Desire for the ability to change post excerpt length.
Desire for more post date formats.
Increase number of items per page for default Query Loop Block. This was mentioned by three people alone in this test and was fixed by this PR!

I was also initially surprised by 1 item per page as the default, and it took me a moment to find the settings again to change it.
@evarlese

When selecting ‘Display settings’ one can set the number of items per page. But actually you pick the number of items in the column if you choose a layout with multiple columns. May be easier to understand if ‘items per page’ would be renamed to ‘items per column’ or something similar.
@nynkedeblaauw

Site Logo – has a Rounded style but no border radius control. It would be helpful to add the various new controls also to the Site Logo block. Dimensions panel etc.
@paaljoachim

I wish I had a margin and padding setting on the Columns block level.
@piermario

#fse-outreach-experiment, #fse-outreach-program, #fse-testing-summary

Justin Ahinon 6:06 pm on October 6, 2021
Tags: build-test-tools ( 32 ), core-test ( 32 ), summaries ( 6 )

5.9 End-to-End (e2e) Strategy Session Summary

A working session was held today to discuss big picture goals and what to accomplish during the 5.9 cycle.

Meeting agenda
Attendees: @hellofromtonya, @isabel_brison, @kevin940726, @netweb, @boniu91, @justinahinon, @juhise.

Where e2e tests live: GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ vs. CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress.

Consensus reached as to where e2e tests will live within each repository:

Core: non-Gutenberg features, UIs, and UXUX UX is an acronym for User Experience - the way the user uses the UI. Think ‘what they are doing’ and less about how they do it. including:
- new stuff being built during a release cycle
- existing interfaces such as CustomizerCustomizer Tool built into WordPress core that hooks into most modern themes. You can use it to preview and modify many of your site’s appearance settings., login, pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party and theme installation/activation, interaction with list tables, settings page, etc.
Gutenberg: its functionality being built within its repository

5.9 Core e2e focus areas

All recent major changes to Core with user facing functionalities are top priorities to receive e2e tests as part of WordPress 5.9. These areas are:

The application passwords feature
The uploading of new versions of plugins/themes feature
The plugin dependency project
The updater project
Twenty Twenty-Two theme

Porting tests from Gutenberg to Core

tl;dr:

Tests that test Gutenberg’s functionality will remain in its repository and not be ported to Core
Core specific tests (such as login) can be moved to Core

Along with the previous areas to test, the following priority would be to port some Core tests that are currently implemented in Gutenberg (e2e-test-utils package). Concerned tests are those related to the login feature.

The next step after this would be to improve the login tests to make them more performant. This includes for instance cookie based authentication across all tests in Core and Gutenberg.

Other Roadmap Items

These items are not necessarily part of 5.9 Goals. However, these are part of the bigger picture Test Roadmap.

Documentation: The goal is to help contributors quickly contribute to testing.
- Test Handbook: Clearly document multiple workflows for folks to pick their onramp into testing
- README: #53550 get its PR reviewed and merged
Visual Regression: #49606 is an experiment to allow local vision regression testing.
- From these learnings, plans can be crafted for how to build it into an automated CI process.
- The challenges for the CI are storage of the artifacts and unreliability of testing these across different environments. A third party service may be possibility to explore in the future.
Is Core a good experimental sandbox for Playwright?

Proposal to migrate to Playwright for e2e tests

tl;dr:

Not a blocker to build Core’s e2e tests
Requires changes in e2e-test-utils package (maintained by Gutenberg)
Needs a migrationMigration Moving the code, database and media files for a website site from one server to another. Most typically done when changing hosting companies. plan

All agreed Playwright for e2e tests would indeed have a lot of advantages for both Core and Gutenberg. However, consideration must be given for breaking changes and impacts for extenders using the test utils. Kai noted the utils could be made compatible with both Puppeteer and Playwright, meaning no breaking changes.

Also, a migration plan will need to be discussed on developed once the test utils are ready for Playwright. Part of this plan is to figure out how to change Gutenberg and Core as well as how to upgrade existing, not yet committed patches/PRs. The how and when is yet to be determined.

As there is still work to do to prepare for Playwright, the team agreed to continue with the roadmap to build e2e tests in Core.

Props @hellofromTonya for peer review and proofreading.

#build-test-tools, #core-test, #summaries

annezazu 2:19 pm on October 5, 2021
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FSE Program Block Theme Switching Summary

This post is a summary of blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. theme switching exploration for the FSE outreach program. This was the first of its kind, enabling folks to share very early feedback on something that has yet to be robustly defined. Thank you to everyone who participated, whether through sharing feedback directly or sharing the exploration with others.

Shout out to @richtabor @elmastudio @anariel-design who officially got badges for responding, despite having engaged with surveys the program has done in the past.

Big thank you to @piermario for the Italian translation and @greenshady for the WP Tavern article, which both help bring the exploration to even more folks.

High level summary

Overall, the current experience proves to be frustrating and inconsistent, especially when taking into account custom block styles, keeping customized templates, etc. Thinking long term about what folks would want to be able to have across themes, there was mass consensus around being able to retain templates, template parts, and menus. There was somewhat mixed feedback around whether Global Styles should persist as some saw those as differentiating a theme. When it came to ideas for how to best manage the switching process, it quickly became clear that there’s a balance to strike between not adding too much friction to the process while also offering users options to pick and choose what can come with them when they switch. Ideally, there can be a simple and visual way to intuitively guide users and help them take advantage of the power of what block themes unlock without discouraging them with too many options.

On templates and template parts

There was mass agreement around the desire to keep customized templates and template parts across themes, with many expressing surprise and frustration at the current experience. This was previously documented and discussed here as part of an earlier call for testing.

I’m very surprised that any templates I’ve created are tied to the theme that was active when I created them. I’d expect that my custom templates should remain applied to pages when the new theme is active, instead of being disregarded. I’m not sure why templates are omitted when a theme is changed.
@richtabor in this comment.

I would like to be able to use templates and templates that I have created and saved, no matter which theme that is active. I know that I can view them under appearance templates/template parts, open them, copy the code and paste it into a new template, but I don’t think that is a good experience. It should be easier.
@poena in this comment.

On menus

Similar to templates and template parts, this was another area that folks inherently expected would persist across changing block themes.

An issue I’ve ran into now a few times when trying out different Full Site Editing themes is that losing menu data is frustrating. I think as a non-technical user it would be confusing, because you are prompted to “Add an existing menu”, which I would think would be my menu from the last theme I was using.
@timothyblynjacobs in this comment

I think it is important that navigation blocks that I have set up remains. The “Add existing menu” feature in the navigation block assumes that I have already created a menu in the navigation screen. If I only setup the navigation block as part of a headerHeader The header of your site is typically the first thing people will experience. The masthead or header art located across the top of your page is part of the look and feel of your website. It can influence a visitor’s opinion about your content and you/ your organization’s brand. It may also look different on different screen sizes. template part in the previous theme, then I can’t re-apply or reuse that navigation block. Perhaps navigation blocks should also work the other way around? I mean why can’t I select a name for my navigation block as I create it in the editor, save that in isolation like I can save the site blocks in isolation, and have that navigation menuNavigation Menu A theme feature introduced with Version 3.0. WordPress includes an easy to use mechanism for giving various control options to get users to click from one place to another on a site. present on the navigation screen?
@poena in this comment.

Keeping any menus created in the Site Editor available would be important, I think this is one of the biggest issues right now.
@elmastudio in this comment.

On Global Styles

Global Styles left folks a bit split with some seeing them as being theme dependent and others wanting the option to carry settings/styles across themes. There’s currently a discussion around what can and can’t be standardized which will impact how this could be implemented.

I see Global Styles tied to the theme, but it could be helpful if some common settings are taken from one theme to the next.
@elmastudio in this comment.

Understandably global styles settings would adapt when a theme is changed (just like the customizerCustomizer Tool built into WordPress core that hooks into most modern themes. You can use it to preview and modify many of your site’s appearance settings.) – and I like how my custom GS settings persist when I change back to a theme (just like the customizer as well).
@richtabor in this comment.

When you export the demo and import it to the other installation, theme.jsonJSON JSON, or JavaScript Object Notation, is a minimal, readable format for structuring data. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML. file styles are not imported. As a theme developer, I would love to develop one theme with different demos for example. When I export the demo file I would love that global and block type styles are exported too and imported to other installations.
@anariel-design in this comment

Have the option to keep Global styles modifications. Perhaps a kind of dialog box that shows up when entering the Site Editor listing adjustments I made to the previous theme, asking if I wanted to keep these adjustments or to start anew.
@paaljoachim in this comment.

One question that keeps me up at night is how cross-theme compatibility will work on the content level. Default block output should translate from one theme to the next with little or no issues. However, custom block styles, font sizes, colors, and the full range of presets are already a problem area.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.

On ideas for how to manage the process

Outside of a desire for the experience to be overall easier and more seamless, the following ideas were shared with a split in terms of folks who wanted decisions upfront vs after switching:

Create a directory for templates and template parts, similar to block plugins or patterns, to make it easier to keep and reuse various templates/template parts.
Offer an option to pick and choose what you want to keep before switching themes.
Make switching easy upfront but, after switching, offer an option to import various items from the previous theme.
Offer a side by side visual comparison of various parts of a theme before switching (templates, patterns, etc).
Offer a way to import a color palette or template into your current theme so you don’t have to switch fully but can take advantage of different pieces.

I have experimented with one theme but figured out along the way that it does not have the patterns or finished templates or something else I had hoped for. Instead of creating the patterns and templates myself I switch themes. When I click to switch a theme I get a warning message saying that switching themes will remove the adjustments I made to the current active theme, but I have an option to save these adjustments in a kind of twilight zone between one theme and another. I select to save changes I made, and notice that these carry over to the new theme that I activate. I check and notice that the changes do carry over. I am relieved that I am able to create adjustments in one theme and have these with me to the next time…In the Site Editor I can check out what the new theme offers and when I feel ready for it I can either say yes to bringing over the changes or no because I notice that the new theme has what I need.
@paaljoachim in this comment.

I actually don’t want to be prompted with having to make several decisions as soon as I activate a new theme. I would find that stressful. I want to take my time. I want to understand what the differences are between the themes, and what changes I need to make. Perhaps there would be a side-by-side comparison of common page templates like page, single post, home? Like a revision?
@poena in this comment.

It needs to be easier for the users. They already needed to deal with the domain, hosting, choosing a theme etc.
@anariel-design in this comment

It could also be awesome to pull a color palette and drop it into an existing theme. Sort of like having a Colour Lovers directory to pick color schemes from but keep all the other bits. This could be fun for people who can recognize a palette that they like but would never be able to handpick all those colors. I’ve often seen color schemes that I’d love to use from other themes but didn’t like other things about them.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.

On reasons for switching and the experience

Of the various questions folks could answer, some touched on both reasons for switching and the current experience. I’ve listed each response below since only a few folks addressed this area specifically. I’m also including images from @greenshady’s post where he took a simple blog post with some custom block styles, gradient colors, and font sizes and compared the output across three different themes highlighting current problems with theme switching.

To see prebuilt template layouts (could be done in a template mosaic view to where I can choose various prebuilt layouts instead of switching themes). To have a base that I want to start from. A design that I would like to use and modify.
@paaljoachim in this comment.

I think the most common scenario is a missing functionality in one theme like WooCommerce support. Next would be outdated design and lack of updates and support from the theme author.
@elmastudio in this comment.

When I switched to the Quadrat I mostly lost everything that I set up in the Clove theme. That means, About page doesn’t look anything similar, colors, fonts are now from the Quadrat theme and button style too. From the user’s side, this is very confusing. If u ever used Elementor for example, and many are using it they are used to the similar overflow. If I create a template and change the look and styles and switch to any other theme this template will look the same and it will remain available.
@anariel-design in this comment

I am not one for switching themes. Since I learned how to design for WordPress well over a decade ago, I have never moved from one theme to the next. At least not in the same way that the average user would. Instead, every time I have added a new coat of paint on my websites, I have simply switched over the foundation to whatever I had been working on at the given moment. WordPress themes, for me, were always just an iteration upon the last project…The first thing I do when testing any theme is to load a demo post. Lately, this has been the “Welcome to the GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ Editor” test post. The primary question: Can I read the content comfortably? If I do not get past this stage, I simply deactivate the theme.
@greenshady in this WP Tavern article.

What’s next?

@critterverse is exploring how to approach these flows from a design perspective and has been following along as feedback has come in. You can expect to see a more in depth design exploration shared soon enough with some of these pieces of feedback and ideas integrated in! I’ll flag this in the outreach program channel when the time comes and will see how we can explore these experiences in future calls for testing.

#fse-outreach-experiment, #fse-outreach-program, #fse-testing-summary

annezazu 1:39 pm on September 9, 2021
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Hallway Hangout: on adoption pathways for full site editing

Date: 2021-09-16 16:00 UTC

Format: Zoom (recorded). A link will be shared in the #fse-outreach-experiment channel before the meeting time. Please join that channel if you’d like to participate!

Length: 45 – 60mins. This will not run longer than an hour.

Topic: This session will focus on adoption pathways with full site editing.

Facilitator(s): @mkaz @get_dave @annezazu

Goal: To have a broader discussion about adoption pathways, what’s working, what successes folks have had, what blockers people are running into, and what might help more folks participate. Beyond just the benefits of learning from each other, this information will ideally be used to help influence future resources and to give insights to the teams working on these items.

Intended Audience: Anyone who has adopted or is interested in adopting site editing related features (theme.jsonJSON JSON, or JavaScript Object Notation, is a minimal, readable format for structuring data. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML., template editor, theme blocks, navigation editor, etc).

Agenda

This conversation is meant to casual, collaborative, and open ended rather than prescriptive about how one should approach adoption. With that in mind, we’ll start the session asking folks who are comfortable doing so to share what they’ve tried and how it’s gone. Once everyone who wants to go has done so, we’ll talk about successes, blockers, and what resources folks have used (along with what resources folks would like to see). We’ll see where the conversation takes us from there!

#fse-hallway-hangout, #fse-outreach-program, #full-site-editing

Tonya Mork 1:09 pm on August 3, 2021
Tags: build-test-tools ( 32 ), team-reps ( 8 )

Test Team Reps for 2021+

Two candidates were nominated during the open nomination period, both of whom accepted their nominations. The new Test Team Reps for 2021 (and beyond) are Piotr Boniu (@boniu91) and Tonya Mork (@hellofromtonya)!

Meet Piotr Boniu

Piotr is fascinated by WordPress since 8 years. Firstly, it was just a fun for him, later it became a way to live. He attends WordCamps whenever possible since WCEU 2017 in Paris. In 2019 in Brighton he was a speaker.

Within the project, he served as the 5.9 Test Lead.

In his career, he’s transitioning into technical product management for a WordPress performance product company, after having previously served as a QA Engineer and Technical Support Engineer.

On the personal side, Piotr is a resident of Canary Islands, previously lived in Madrid and Warsaw. He resides in a small town called Puerto de la Cruz with a girlfriend and his two cats. He’s obsessed with technology and gadgets that are making life easier, his free time is filled with hiking, sports and swimming in the ocean.

You can read more about him on his profile page.

Meet Tonya Mork

Tonya is a leader, architect, engineer (software and electrical), educator, and learner. She became hooked on contributing during the 5.6 release cycle. She saw the impact the Test Team can and could have on the project. She brings her empowerment and transformational approach to help the team rebuild itself, help fuel continuous improvement, and help contributors get started, gain and grow their skills, and grow their impact.

Within the project, she served as the 5.6 and 5.7 Triage Lead, coached the 5.8 triage and test release squad, is a Build/Test Tooling co-maintainer, and is a full-time contributor (as of February).

Outside of the project, she’s likely best known as a developer educator. She’s been leading and advising multi-disciplined engineering teams for over 3 decades in the areas of architecture, quality, testing, performance, and operations.

On the personal side, Tonya lives in a small fishing village on the NW coast of Lake Michigan in the US with her spouse (celebrated their 35th anniversary this year), dog (who thinks he’s a cat), and cat (who thinks he’s a dog and ruler of the house).

You can read more about her journey on HeroPress and her profile page.

#build-test-tools, #team-reps

Daisy Olsen 9:21 pm on July 9, 2021
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Hallway Hangout: Discussion on theme.json (7 July)

This is a summary of a Hallway Hangout that was wrangled in the #fse-outreach-experiment channel as part of the FSE Outreach Program. Thank you to everyone who joined the conversation!

Attendance: 10 Attendees in total

You can watch the recording of the call here:

Notable Topics Covered:

Difficulty with knowing the initial values of some things that are defined outside of theme.jsonJSON JSON, or JavaScript Object Notation, is a minimal, readable format for structuring data. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML.
Challenges in making responsive designs work well across unlimited resolutions, both large and small.
Need for a well documented and complete schema of settings available as well as the default initial values.

The call for testing will remain open for feedback until July 14th. Please feel free to check the test here.

#fse-hallway-hangout, #fse-outreach-program, #full-site-editing

annezazu 8:48 pm on February 5, 2021
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FSE Program: Connecting with Local Communities

To better expand the reach of the FSE Outreach Program, I am exploring creative ways to engage the wider community. In the #fse-outreach-experiment slackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. channel (join us!), I recently shared an idea to create better connections between the program’s work and local polyglot communities. Since then, I’ve had the chance to work with @mimi who is a part of the Japanese WordPress community. I wanted to share how our work is evolving so others can join in.

Here are a few ways that someone who is a part of a local polyglot community can help with the FSE Outreach Program:

Translate this page on “How to test FSE” into your local community language so more people can participate.
Translate future Calls for Testing and share your community’s feedback in the FSE Outreach Program.
Facilitate testing in your community by following the Calls for Testing and translating the feedback into English either to share on GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ or on the official Call for Testing post.
Bonus idea: you can create content in your local language on Full Site Editing. Here’s an example from @overclokk who did a video in Italian talking about this feature.

If this seems like too much, try to find someone else in your local community to work with. For example, you could divide the work so one person translates the Calls for Testing, while another person translates the feedback that’s received to share on the official Call for Testing post.

If you’re interested in working on these ideas in your local community, please comment below or message me on slack (@annezazu).

I want to make this easier for anyone interested in any of the above ideas so let me know if this is an area you want to help with. Feedback is always welcome so please pingPing The act of sending a very small amount of data to an end point. Ping is used in computer science to illicit a response from a target server to test it’s connection. Ping is also a term used by Slack users to @ someone or send them a direct message (DM). Users might say something along the lines of “Ping me when the meeting starts.” me or share your thoughts in the #fse-outreach-experiment.

Finally, big props and thank you to @mimi who has kindly started helping here and has been giving me feedback along the way.

#fse-outreach-program, #full-site-editing

annezazu 11:05 pm on February 4, 2021
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FSE Program: Test FSE Anytime

As part of leading the FSE Outreach Program, I’ve been building out resources to help further the overall mission of gathering feedback. While calls for testing are shared as frequently as possible, there are times when there isn’t an active call for testing. This shouldn’t be a blocker for anyone to explore FSE and give feedback!

To help empower everyone, I made the following guide:

How to Test FSE Guide

Consider this just a start! Please let me know what else would be useful to include or update as you go through it. I’d love to help as many people as possible get excited about FSE and give feedback.

#fse-outreach-program #full-site-editing

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