konstam 10:20 pm on April 14, 2019
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Hello Polyglots, this my first…

Hello Polyglots, this my first day here and I have a general (and probably unusual) question.

I have read almost everything I could find about contributing and translating.
I also found my first project. I intend to support mainly Open SourceOpen Source Open Source denotes software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified. Open Source **must be** delivered via a licensing model, see GPL. projects.
I downloaded the Style Guides for English and German (there isn’t one yet for Greek). I downloaded the glossaries for German and Greek (as CSV-files) from:

https://translate.wordpress.org/locale/de/default/glossary/
https://translate.wordpress.org/locale/el/default/glossary/

Then I went to: https://translate.wordpress.org/projects/wp/dev/de/default/

where I have the possibilty to download the stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. in various file-formats but not as a CSV-file.

So, here is my question (at last):
Is it possible to get a CSV-File from this Page, with the same structure as the glossaries I mentioned earlier? (source – target – pos – comment)

Would you/could you please consider adding CSV as an export option to this Page (and the other similar Pages)?

I ask this because I prefer translating with my own CAT-software. I am much faster and feel much more comfortable using it for my projects.
If I have CSV-files with all current/approved strings, I can create my own glossaries and TMX-files, which I then can integrate to my CAT-software.

I am looking forward hearing your answer on the subject, but also your comments, suggestions and advice to a newbie like me (to your Community).

Best Regards
Konstantin

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Tor-Bjorn Fjellner 10:31 pm on April 14, 2019

Hello @konstam
The translation environment at translate.wordpress.orgtranslate.wordpress.org The platform for contributing to the translation of WordPress core, themes and plugins. is built around GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org., which is a created as a pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party for WordPress and is developed/maintained by a group of volunteers at https://github.com/GlotPress/GlotPress-WP/ and main communication channel is the channel glotpress in the global SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. team for maintenance and development of WordPress. (You can read more and join via https://make.wordpress.org/chat , if you go there, feel free to also join the channel polyglots!)
As you probably have already noted, there are several formats available, but no “xliff” and no “csv”.
I guess the reason nobody has developed them is (in the first case) that there are too many different vendor specifications and (in the second case) that there has been no clear suggestion about it (the format you suggest here lacks several needed features: How are you going to handle plural forms and context flags? keep in mind that there are languages that have more than 2 forms for plurals!)

If you can import and export in CSV format to your own system, perhaps you could write a converter to/from .po?
- konstam 11:32 pm on April 14, 2019
  
  Hello @tobifjellner,
  thank you for your reply.
  I intend to join https://make.wordpress.org/chat as soon as possible, I am a bit busy with other priorities at the moment.
  It seems I will have to write a converter, as you suggested, after all.
  I will let you know if and when it is done.
  Perhaps others will be interested in it too.
  
  I was thinking of a conversion like this:
  po-file: msgid msgstr msgctxt
  csv-file: source target comment
  
  Thank you again for your time.
  Konstantin
  - Tor-Bjorn Fjellner 11:38 pm on April 14, 2019
    
    You may sometimes have both context (which becomes part of the translation key) and comment (which is just a message to the translators, but doesn’t form part of the key), so these are separate functions.
    Further: Additionally, it may be useful to keep links to where a stringString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. occurs in the code. This allows the translator to go and look in the code how a certain string is used.
    And also: stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. that handle plurals (using _n() ) will have two strings in the source, singular and plural, and may have 1, 2, 3 or more strings in the translation, depending on how the target language is configured.
    - konstam 11:57 pm on April 14, 2019
      
      I do understand what you are saying but for the first part of translating I need a file like the one I described.
      After I am done, I ‘ll start entering the results online, like everyone else does. There I can take everything you mentioned under consideration and double check everything again, before submitting the stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings..
Besnik 5:42 am on April 15, 2019

If that could be of any help, there’s already a cvs2po converter (command line tool) as part of http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/translate-toolkit/en/latest/commands/csv2po.html.
- konstam 7:38 am on April 15, 2019
  
  Good morning Besnik.
  Yes I know, I work only with Open SourceOpen Source Open Source denotes software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified. Open Source **must be** delivered via a licensing model, see GPL. software. Linux, OmegaT, Rainbow etc. and I believe, I know almost every piece of Software out there, that a translator could use.
  In this case the converter in question is po2csv, but I don not even need that with OmegaT.
  OmegaT can open a po-file and then create TMX-files, txt-files and can do much much more.
  The problem is, like Tor-Bjorn said, what do I do with the rest of the information? I want to have that too, if possible.
  
  e.g. the “wp-dev-de_5_2.po” looks like this:
  1) #. translators: If months in your language require a genitive case, * translate
  #. this to ‘on’. Do not translate into your own language.
  #: wp-includes/functions.php:221
  2) msgctxt “decline months names: on or off”
  3) msgid “off”
  4) msgstr “off”
  
  1) is the comment to the translator
  2) is the msgctxt
  3) is the msgid
  4) is the msgstr
  
  I must admit, after spending the weekend learning everything I could find about WordPress and running dozens of tests, I got so tired that I couldn’t think of the simplest solution for this out of the top of my head.
  
  But, I know OmegaT can do this, with one of it’s scripts if needed.
  It can e.g. export source, target and notes. Then, I am sure of it, it should be able to export the comments too.
  I am just too tired to think of the solution right now.
  I will have to ask ask Didier and the other guys at OmegaT.
  I will report back as soon as I get the answer to this.
  - Tor-Bjorn Fjellner 12:13 pm on April 15, 2019
    
    In order to correctly import your translations back to translate.wordpress.orgtranslate.wordpress.org The platform for contributing to the translation of WordPress core, themes and plugins., you don’t need the comments, only context records.
    (And, again, stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. with plurals may have their own peculiarities.)
  - Besnik 9:11 pm on April 15, 2019
    
    Well, you asked for CVS.
    IMHO, you might be better off starting with Poedit and .po filesPO files PO files are human readable files which contain translations we use. These files are not used by WordPress itself. Each language will have its own PO file, for example, for French there would be a fr_FR.po file, for german there would be a de_DE.po, for British English there might be en_GB.po.. Just downloading translations from other projects and opening them in Poedit will populate the translation memory and then Poedit will serve you fuzzy translations for any new project.
    Just look around for the Greek translations for GNOME, Mozilla… basically any big project, and you’ll be able to create a huge TM and use that, rather than trying to produce .cvs from .po, feed them to OmegaT, get the results, convert them back in .po…
    - konstam 9:58 pm on April 18, 2019
      
      Dear Polyglots,
      
      please forgive me for the unnecessary fuzz I caused.
      I honestly completely forgot about a small tool by Wichert Akkerman, that I found about a year ago on GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/.
      If you are interested, have a look at it. It exports every single piece of data out of a PO file when converting it to an Excel file.
      https://github.com/wichert/po-xls
      
      In any case, thank for your time and your willingness to help me.
      
      Best Regards
      Konstantin

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