Weekly i18n Chat Notes – August 25, 2015

As a reminder, we have a chat tomorrow at 11:00 UTC. The update below is from last week’s chat

It’s been a while since we last met! I think WordPress 4.3 somewhat distracted us. 🙂 Here’s what’s happened in the last three weeks:

  • Forums: Progress has been made on porting bbPress 1.x plugins! So far, @jmdodd has migrated two plugins to bbPress 2.x. If you’re interested in helping out, be sure to put your name in the “Migrate?” column of the table. (Need access? Just ping me.)
  • Translate: A “Waiting” tab now exists and both it and the themes tab is now sorted by the order previously discussed. Filters are still coming (pending design), but we’re well on our way. Additionally, themes are now in sync with the directory and fully caught up. That means if a theme is approved in the directory, it is automatically imported into translate.wordpress.org.

And upcoming:

  • Sort orders (and filters) in translate.wordpress.org.
  • Properly log warnings in translate.wordpress.org to a Slack channel so we can keep an eye on them.
  • Fixes to \r in translations.
  • Rosetta header changes.
  • An i18n dashboard to keep track of major products.
  • Automation of Rosetta deploys (pending logging mentioned above).
  • Job / queue system for imports and language pack generation (with systems).

About a month ago, I made a list of next steps before importing plugins to translate.wordpress.org and we’ve done them all, but run into a few other things needed (as listed above). That said, I think we’re very close to the point where we can import plugins. Of the items above, only the job system is necessary, due to the number of commits plugins receive. More to come on make/plugins.

#forums, #i18n, #l10n, #meeting-notes, #plugins, #rosetta, #themes

Weekly i18n Chat Notes – July 21, 2015

At our weekly chat today, we talked about a few things:

  • Forums: The Italian forums were launched! It’s a bit rough around the edges, so there’s a bunch of work still left to do. If anyone is interested in contributing to our bbPress theme just let us know. The more help we can get, the faster we can get the forum theme in shape to launch it to other locales. (Big props to @ocean90 and @medariox!)
  • Translate: Tons of things going on and upcoming here.
    • Themes are being imported. Currently ~1100 out of a total of ~1900 themes. The rest should be imported by next week’s meeting.
    • As part of the import, we’re noticing that quite a few themes have a textdomain that is different than the theme’s slug. Language packs will not support that. Instead, we’ll contact theme authors and work with the theme review team to ensure this won’t happen again. (Also, @Otto42 is adding modifying theme-check so that it checks for this issue.) Some stats on that were shared in Slack, but note that they’re for all themes, not just active themes. The actual numbers will be different.
    • Meanwhile, we need to start considering how to sort and prioritize themes and plugins. This post has some ideas and the comments section is open for more. We should have a list to start on by next week’s meeting. There are some backend changes that @dd32 needs to work up first.
    • One method of prioritizing is favorites. @dd32 is working up changes to the theme directory (and elsewhere) so themes can be favorited. ❤️ We can use theme and plugin favorites to prioritize projects (per-user) on translate.wordpress.org.
    • @ocean90 is also testing plugin imports with a few select plugins to ensure the import script works well.
    • Additionally, the language pack script currently exists for plugins and will be modified for themes (thanks @ocean90!).

Most of our focus right now is on language packs and theme/plugin translations. Summarized, here’s the next steps:

  • Finish theme import
  • Enable theme directory syncing (every new/updated theme gets imported)
  • Implement some prioritization (including a side project: adding favorites to themes)
  • Modify the theme directory to support translated theme names/descriptions
  • Enable language packs for themes
  • Start importing top n plugins
  • Enable language packs for top n plugins

Of course, some of these will happen in parallel with others and there are numerous parts to each line item, but we’re making great progress. By next week, we’ll probably be able to cross off an item or two. 👏

#forums, #i18n, #l10n, #meeting-notes, #plugins, #rosetta, #themes

Weekly i18n Chat Notes – July 14, 2015

We had our weekly chat today and talked about a few things.

  • Forums: We’re still waiting for one issue to get fixed in bbPress before we can enable initial forums for the Italian community.
  • Translate: Lots of great progress.
    • Design implementation is done.
    • Paging is done. Basic search is part of it as well.
    • Import scripts are done for themes and in-progress for plugins.
    • @dd32 tested an import of all themes and it works! 🎉
    • Role plugin design changes are still pending, but the design is ready, so it’s just a matter of implementation.

Because of the progress on themes, we think we can do the initial import for themes very soon. It’s know that there will be issues, especially in categorizing and sorting through all ~1500 active themes that will be imported. We’ll work through those issues, fix them, and be ever-more ready for plugins.

Also, because we’re so close, I posted on make/polyglots and make/themes to give them the heads up and added some documentation to the translator handbook to walk through how some of this will work on their end.

As we get closer to the initial import of plugins, there will be a post on make/plugins and we will email plugin authors ahead of time, with a specific date, so they have an opportunity to commit any missing translations to SVN.

(See also: the meeting notes from last week.)

#forums, #i18n, #l10n, #meeting-notes, #plugins, #rosetta, #themes

Plugins, Themes, and Translate.WordPress.org

As mentioned a few times, we’re going to be enabling the translation of active plugins and themes in the WordPress.org repositories on translate.wordpress.org. Today, we had a chat in #meta-i18n (logs) about how the non-technical side of this will work.

As a quick recap: We’re making good progress on the relevant pieces of Rosetta, GlotPress, and all the related scripts needed to import plugins and themes that are in the WordPress.org directories into translate.wordpress.org and make them available for translation. Every plugin and theme will then be able to take advantage of languages packs, meaning no more delay in language updates and smaller plugin downloads.

Here are a few of the points we discussed on how this process will work:

  • Eventually, all active themes and plugins in the WordPress.org directories will be imported into translate.wordpress.org and made available for translation. The “eventually” is important to note as we will be importing a few at a time to ensure GlotPress can scale accordingly. It’s also important to note that “active” is a theme or plugin that has been updated in the last year. Further, even plugins and themes that are not i18n-ready will be imported so that their descriptions can be translated.
  • Additionally, any plugins or themes that do not live in the WordPress.org directories will not be allowed on translate.wordpress.org. For example, commercial plugins.
  • During the initial import, we intend to import all strings – included translations – directly from the plugin’s svn repository on WordPress.org. We will not continuously import these strings, however. Ideally, after the initial import, a plugin would then delete the strings from the svn repository, making their download smaller and immediately taking advantage of the language packs generated by translate.wordpress.org.
  • For a language pack to be updated, the string must be updated in translate.wordpress.org.
  • The above point means that if a theme or plugin author uses a different site for translations, those translations must be brought over to translate.wordpress.org. If the theme or plugin has an active translation community, they can work with the polyglots team to bring translation editors over to the community. These translation editors can be limited to specific plugins, at the discretion of the locales translation editors. These translation editors can import strings for the plugin/theme, should they wish to continue using a different site for translations. (When we get closer to this, I’ll create a sample post that theme and plugin authors can use.)

That’s a lot to take in, so please let it digest. 🙂

One thing we also discussed was the possibility of enabling GlotPress installations to “talk to” each other, such that translate.wordpress.org could import strings from another GlotPress site (for example, translate.yoast.com), whether as a feature of GlotPress core or a plugin. Currently, this is an open question. We plan to discuss the technical questions of this possibility at next week’s #meta-i18n chat (Tuesday, July 14 2015 11:00 UTC). Note that we will not wait for this feature before continuing with our planned import.

A few other notes:

  • We discussed the possibility of adding a banner to the specific plugin/theme’s page on translate.wordpress.org pointing the external site where translations are active, should a plugin/theme not use translate.wordpress.org as the canonical source for their translations. Currently, I believe the answer is “no banner” but it’s a conversation we should have and re-evaluate over time.
  • Outside of that, it occurred to me after our chat that we will need to add translation editors to the relevant theme/plugin page. For example, if a translator editor only has permissions to approve translations for Hello Dolly, we should note that on the Hello Dolly page within translate.wordpress.org. Example: “Strings for [project name] are approved by the German translation editors [link], as well as username, username, and username.”

If you’re interested in any of this topic, we’d like to get some feedback on any/all of the above. Please leave your comments here, not in #meta-i18n, so others can see your feedback. We’re especially interested in feedback from plugin and theme authors who do not currently have translations and one’s who use an existing product for their translations.

#i18n, #meeting, #plugins, #themes, #translations