Title: Monthly Design Show and Tell August 2021 – summary
Author: Estela Rueda
Published: September 8, 2021
Last modified: September 8, 2023

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 [  ](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/) [Estela Rueda](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/)
9:42 am _on_ September 8, 2021     
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# Monthly Design Show and Tell August 2021 – summary

This is a summary for the design Show and Tell meeting that happens the last Wednesday
of every month. This meeting took place on Wednesday 25 August 2021 via Zoom. Transcript
is below the video.

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Summary of topics

[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/) announced that she would
like to step down as team repTeam Rep A Team Rep is a person who represents the 
Make WordPress team to the rest of the project, make sure issues are raised and 
addressed as needed, and coordinates cross-team efforts..

[@joen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/joen/) inform us about an issue with the 
Figma library and he created a backup of 300+ components that had not been updated
in a while.

[@javiarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javiarce/) talked about his explorations
on the color UIUI UI is an acronym for User Interface - the layout of the page the
user interacts with. Think ‘how are they doing that’ and less about what they are
doing. for the inspector.

[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/) asked about the WordPress blue color,
is it time to start a conversation to change it to the new blue color proposed by
the [#core-css](https://make.wordpress.org/design/tag/core-css/) team.

Design team show & tell August 2021

### Transcript

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Recording. Okay. Hello
everybody. I want to welcome you all to the show and tell for the design team for
the month of August. It’s our last one for this summer. Um, and it’s open for everybody.
Um, that is just, uh, one announcement I want to make on this meeting. Um, I would
like to step down as design team rep. So, uh, I want all of you to start thinking
if somebody else wants to step up, uh, probably going to announce it and make it
like, like official on the Make blog around, you know, mid September, something 
like that. So I can give people time to think about it. And, um, thank you Ann. 
And, uh, yeah, well, whoever wants to step up, we’re going to make. The way we do
it, you know, in the design team is, um, I make a post to announce that I’m going
to retire and then I will, and then we open another post, uh, for, um, people to
nominate people who want, who we would like to be the rep. And then we vote on that
post and then would just on the next show and tell, but just say, who is going to
be our new team rep.

And then that will just be around to, to help you out just to see if you need me.
You don’t need me. It’s always great. That’s okay. But I think it’s been like, I’m
almost two years, so I think it’s time for somebody else to, to come up and do it
because whenever we have a new rep in like the entire, um, team, you know, everything
moves around and everything works different.

And I think that, you know, if the same person staystoo long. The teams get stuck
in and, you know, everything comes, turns into a monotony and all that stuff. So
I don’t like that. I like to, I like change. I like to give everybody a chance and,
um, because we all have great ideas and we all have different ways of, uh, talking
about, uh, leading the teams and talking with the team and, integrating everybody.

And that’s what I want. So whoever wants to, I will, I will pause probably by mid-
September just so you know, given, given everybody a chance to come back from holiday
from summer holidays and everything, and once we just kind of settle, then I’ll 
make I’ll announce it. Okay. So whoever wants to start thinking about it. And with
that let’s open the, the, um, room for everybody who wants or who has something 
to show us today who’s been working on, um, things or, um, Joen? Is Joen with us?

Or Javier, uh, Joen either one of you, you want tells us what happened with Figma
today? Just so everyone knows. Yeah. So everybody knows and, uh, and we make it 
official and, and, and, and explain what happened while we have and how we’re going
to move forward. Yep.

**[@joen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/joen/):** I’m happy to talk about it as
well. So we have this beautiful, wonderful Figma, uh, WordPress design library file,
which is used by quite a lot of people now and has quite a few people editing as
well. And there was an edit made, I don’t know, particularly what that edit was.
It could potentially be completely harmless, but after that one edit, whatever it
was, it wasn’t immediately visually apparent what had been done. 347 components 
were ready to be published with changes, which sort of set off the smoke alarm.

So it’s big because usually one or two gets updated and you can write a little change
log. So I stepped through the edit history and restored the version that did not
have 347 changes. And of course I took a backup of the file before. So if you made
any changes after July 27th, you can find those in the backup.

It’s in the wordpress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is
created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code 
for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community
conversations and organization. [https://wordpress.org/](https://wordpress.org/)
organization Figma. It’s, it’s just called August, uh, backup. You can copy it over
and you can publish. So the Figma files are all good again. And, um, please of course
be mindful of the edits you make, but of course, every, all of those with edit rights,
we all make mistakes as well. I’ve made a couple. Just undo and all that stuff, 
but, um, just make your changes, publish, and then all should be good.

**[@kellychoffman](https://profiles.wordpress.org/kellychoffman/):** Thanks for 
doing that. Of course.

**[@joen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/joen/):** Thanks Javier for finding the
differences in all the new as well.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** I think they’re harder
to work with was figuring out what was going on. It’s terrible. The state of the
Figma history system. So I think we will find these, this problem in the future 
again. Yeah. Fix it. Yeah.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Yeah. Okay. Well, thank
you. Thank you for taking care of that and thank you for bringing that up. Hello
Paal and Boy. Okay. Any questions, anybody about the Figma? What happened? Nope.
Okay, cool. Um, nope. Okay. Anybody else has anything to share today?

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** Okay, so I can say
some non- amazing work.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Never say that it is
always amazing work. Hold on. Let me see. I need to get security. Yeah. Yeah, it
should be able to show.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** Perfect. Okay. Uh,
so I’m going to show you, um, uh,probably you remember that Shaun has been working
on the inspector sidebarSidebar A sidebar in WordPress is referred to a widget-ready
area used by WordPress themes to display information that is not a part of the main
content. It is not always a vertical column on the side. It can be a horizontal 
rectangle below or above the content area, footer, header, or any where in the theme.,
he’s been offering some ideas, uh, on how, how, uh, how to improve that sidebar,
uh, basically make it more compact and easier to read and reduce the chaos that 
sidebar has, uh, currently, um, and I’ve been helping him, uh, in a smaller, I mean,
in different parts of that, of that project. Um, for instance, I started working
on these, um, on the color UI. Uh, so all the interfaces that have to do with, uh,
selecting a color, um, changing the backgrounds links, uh, etcetera.

Um, and this is the current interface. And as you can see is, um, uh, Now we see
it’s a little bit chaotic and it is too much, too much interface, I think, right?
Like if you see this, this, uh, section here, we have, uh, text color, background
color, link color, it looks the same. Uh, there’s other things going on, like, you
have this clear button, uh, that appears even though there’s nothing to clear, um.
If you have, uh, like these are the theme colors and, uh, probably one of those 
are selected because the, I dunno, maybe the text is pink, but at the end of it,
doesn’t tell you that it’s pink. So there’s a lot of things going on there.

Uh, and this is what happens when you select the color. You have like a indicator
here, uh, that is, it doesn’t do anything, uh, trust, I know. Um, when you select
the gradient, you have this, uh, different interface to sort the grain is, is there,
like, it makes things, you know, like, uh, more complicated and taller.

And then if you click, um, have you the chance to color it, uh, you have this popover,
uh, that definitely needs some tightening because it’s very simple. Uh, but as you
can see, when you have a, another color, the preview item there tends to size this
again, it’s not, it works. It works well, uh, but it’s too much interface and it
will be repressed.

So, um, what I’ve been doing these days is, uh, trying to, uh, follow some of the,
of the , uh, ideas Shaun established with respect of the sidebar, and try to apply
that, to use those ideas. Yeah. try to see how they will work with, uh, with a color,
uh, UI. So, um, the first thing that I I did was something that, uh, tenancy. Yes,
it is like the order of the items is, it’s wrong right now it’s like we have the
text background and the links, uh, and that makes sense, uh, backgrounds will be
in the background, right. And the way you read this interface right now is, uh, 
background doesn’t have any color, it’s just transparent. Links have a green color
applied, uh, and text has, uh, the blue color applied, but you can reset it because
it’s not the full one, right? It is the one that comes with a theme. So this right
away simplifies the interface. Um, and we are able also maintain the, this, this,
um, this warning message that basically tells you that your, the color combination
is not, uh, Is it, uh, is it, uh, I think may we will also improve this thing, like
making, you know, like, uh, pointing to the user, which colors to, to be changed,
like maybe with a dot or a warning message, something like that, uh, to be even 
more easy.

Um, if you click the color, uh, you will open this popover. And when I’m done here,
this was basically a sabbatical as shown there. The main concept you have the color
picker on top, like in the Figma sketch or other design, uh, applications. Um, and
then you have, uh, this bottom part, you have a selector, uh, that it could be the
custom color. And we also will offer the theme colors. So this will be a dropdown
and you can change between those, uh, those sets of colors. So, and also you can
save those colors for other use. Like if you are, uh, in, you’re looking at the 
custom colors, you will save your favorite colors and then is it, uh, In other parts
of, of the, of your design.

Um, and it also plays a, uh, color picker here, uh, that probably is going to be
useful, uh, to customize your items even more. Um,

uh, if you’re thinking the background, uh, then what I started doing was, uh, you
know, adding a select, uh, you know, on top and, uh, Well, um, the idea for this,
for, for the whole interface for the sidebar and for the popover is trying to make
things, uh, very compact and easy to read. Uh, so instead of putting the label on
top and then add the dropdown, I tried to combine those, uh, elements, uh, in just
one line.

Uh, the problem is that maybe this interface is not very accessible because it’s
relies too much, um, on the color of the solid element being blue. So I was thinking
that maybe we will add, uh, I think here, uh, so now this looks like a dropdown 
and again, it’s this one, one line. So it’s very, uh, very small.

Um, but, uh, that, that is just a detail, uh, other interesting things that colors
and gradients could be represented by circles. And then, images, we could use a 
rectangle, so it’s very easy to spot the image when adding another color. Right.
Um, If you select, uh, the first time you select, uh, an image, or you just select
the background and change, uh, to the, to the, uh, you, can you have this interface
to drop a name it’s there and this probably not the right icon, but, uh, um, like
with a color picker, we will have tools there.

So this will open the, the media library. Um, And of course you can drag and drop,
uh, here, an image, and then you will get this, uh, different interface where you
can change the focal point. Uh, I’m not sure if this design makes sense or not, 
but I’m trying to follow this idea of the padding and margin. Uh, Inputs, uh, but
probably will.

We need to be, uh, he designed this, this particular thing, and then we have another
dropdown here, uh, to select, uh, between different modes. Like you could have field
fit, uh, or tile and something I did was, um, again with the same idea of making
things. Uh, sorry. Comeback was, um, grandis took down. Why did you continue to 
display of the, of the image and then at the bottom you can select fixed, uh, instead
of putting that, uh, UI, uh, in the previous, uh, in the, in the main pop-over.

So I think this, this could be like a secondary action. Isn’t it doesn’t need, we
don’t need to show it all the time. But it’s there on the display areas. So I think
it could work. I don’t know. Um, yeah, so, and then the gradient, uh, is of course,
uh, some of them bigger, uh, there are more things going on and you need to adjust
for stuff.

So I basically maintain the same interface that we have now with this. Um, this 
is glider, uh, I added this element, which allows users to remove the, the control
point. Um, um, I dunno, maybe it’s too much, maybe it’s or maybe it’s very complicated
to see. I’m not sure if this is the right, uh, design decision, but I think, uh,
we will give you that, you know, uh, I need to physically remove the consequence.

On the control point. And then this is a bit more complicated because, uh, for variants,
each color has a capacity and then the grading itself has an ability. So, um, this
very easily gets a bit complicated by like we have the, the color here with an alpha
and then the busty. So, uh, in order to simplify that, I thought we will have this
Queanbeyan, uh, interface, uh, into steps.

Like by default, you get a degree. You can move the control points. This is works
exactly as it was right now, you’d have deposited for the whole thing. Uh, and also
we have, uh, custom grades, uh, so you can change them or say them very easily. 
And then if you click on one of those kinds of points, uh, Um, the continent side
of that, uh, over, uh, slides, and then you have an interface to edit the color.

And so this simplified variously, the whole thing, uh, you can select the color,
you can use your favorite colors or the theme colors right away, and you can also
remove the color and it is a color picker. So it’s another distribution. Uh, I think
it solves the problem of having too many things on one element and you can very 
easily with the first step you can control the whole variant.

And if you want it to refine it, you can go here. Um, and I think that it’s mostly
everything. I think we’ll have to work on the gradient, but, uh, I’m pretty happy
with, with, uh, with all real things. So. Yeah. That’s, that’s fine. I wanted to
tell you

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** a lot of work and that
is good. Yeah. That’s a lot of work, so I don’t know why you say it’s not great 
work and it is really a lot.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** So yeah, many, many,
many, many pieces. Yes. Yes.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** There are a couple 
of comments here from Joel and Channing. So let’s see real quick. Uh, Joel plus 
one is on the warning message that it can be confusing sometimes right now I don’t.
Um, yeah, I kind of saw it and I liked it. I liked the warning message, but, uh,
but yeah, I did just kind of went like, wait, what, why are you showing up now? 
Right. Yeah.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** And you have to read
a lot in order to, to understand, like, it is not obvious.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** That’s the one then,
um, could clicking the drop area also open up the media library when you are choosing
the background image?

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** Yeah. That’s a good
idea. Yeah.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Right there open the
library of images. Yeah.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** And I think that 
that’s the actual behavior. So I think we can maintain that. I also try some ideas,
put a link here and also a link to Openverse, maybe. I don’t know. Uh, but, um, 
yeah, definitely. That could be an improvement.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Ann is saying that 
she likes the differentiation of the rectangle for images. Then I’m just going to
add to that when you have the gradients, you turn that color into a rectangle right
there instead of a circle on the picker, on the color picker right there. Yeah. 
So if we are not, we’re using colors and we should use, if you are using colors 
for circles, for colors, that you should keep it the same.

And use rectangles for images, then, you know, just keep them the same.. Um, let’s
see what else? Channing says I like how you mix the progressive disclosure idea 
with the pop-over idea for gradients. And I know you want to expand more on that.
Channing?.

**[@critterverse](https://profiles.wordpress.org/critterverse/):** I’m not sure 
if that’s the proper name for it or not, but the idea of progressive disclosure,
if I’m saying the right thing is the idea that you could kind of go deeper into 
these panels.

Right. And we’ve traditionally looked at that as being part of something that would
happen in the sidebar itself. Um, you could continue to kind of go deeper and each
time you would go deeper, the screen could potentially like shift to a new set of
options. Um, but one thing we’ve been kind of weighing the pros and cons of is the
idea of a pop-over that could, you know, be an alternative solution to that that’s
potentially quicker.

Uh, potentially more accessible? I’m not sure, but it does seem like a nice option
to keep exploring. And I really like how Javier started to mix those two. I think
there’s probably more instances where you might need to mixed those, even, I mean,
beyond color, it could be a pattern that we could replicate elsewhere.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** And then Joen just 
gave you two links for some more relevant , that it’s relevant to this exploration
that you’re doing. Um, so maybe you want to click on the chat and get those links
for you for your reference Javier. Um, anybody else has any other comments for Javier?
I see that we got a lot of good responses in here.

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** Yeah. Thank you very
much.

**[@kellychoffman](https://profiles.wordpress.org/kellychoffman/):** What are you
thinking about the custom section? Like those custom colors? How are you? So like
the custom colors, how, how they show up? Like, are you,

**[@javierarce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/javierarce/):** so yeah, the, the
idea is, uh, you will have this dropdown where you can, probably it’s the other 
way around actually theme colors will be sloppier, uh, by default because it won’t
be, uh, you won’t have custom colors initially. Then, the idea is that when you 
save a color, uh, we could offer, uh, the name of the color is in a library. I’m
not sure I’ve seen these things like, uh, you use Google for instance, there are,
uh, They, they used to offer you the name of the color.

And I think there are libraries that offer you the equivalence. So we could use 
that to populate that input field or rename the color to your liking. So, uh, it’s
a very simple thing. Um, I haven’t thought of much about this thing, but I think
we will have something, something simpler. Um,

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Anyone else?

Nope. Okay. Well, thank you, Javier. Thank you very much. Very good exploration.
Well, I guess, um, anybody else has something else to show us today? We’re open.
Hello Boy.. Thanks the floor. All yours. Um,

**[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/):** I have something like kind of,
uh, some experiment. Um, okay. First, uh, I saw in the [#coreCSS](https://make.wordpress.org/design/tag/corecss/).
And then I, I followed that they, they are working on the, the, um, color variable
inside a WP admin. And then I, I think about the colors that are, that is the pilot
for, for all the WordPress that is defined as a hex, hex code as this. And I don’t
know where it’s from because, uh, what I can, I tend to follow is the solely, uh,
the proposal from, from 2019, two years ago from dev.

And then I don’t know how to, how to, what isthe algorithm of the color palette.
So I try to, to find out what is that. The methodology of this colors. And then,
um, I, I think I can, I can define it, uh, from the colors to a studio that dev 
uh, and use it in 2019 and from maybe a sec, distant from [@melchoyce](https://profiles.wordpress.org/melchoyce/),
uh, maybe one or two years ago.

And yeah, I can try it. That is, uh, this is, uh, a colored thumb of the color. 
And then, um, my question is, uh, from one of the ticket, um, here is, uh, this,
this color is still out in WordPress as blue. And do you think they really should
define it in, uh, WordPress or not because now we use the blue fifty.

Yes. And yeah, but we definite it in our handbook as uh, another code, another color.
And maybe in the future, we will share it into maybe putting in maybe more Y brand
or more. Yeah. So just discuss about it.

**[@joen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/joen/):** Cool. By the way, I, I can respond
if that’s okay. I haven’t heard or found any conversations about replacing the WordPress
blue, but since you bring it up, I would personally love to see it happen. One of
the challenges with the WordPress blue as you show it here is that it’s very muted
and it has a greenish tint to it, which has this property that when you want to 
show white on top of it, it’s very hard to get contrast without losing vibrancy.

Whereas, if you pull it just a little bit towards the purple or ultra Marine spectrum,
the contrast skyrockets, it’s something that’s easy to sort of play around with 
in the WCG color contrast checkers. It’s always fun to sort of see how the further
away from the yellow green spectrum, you go towards the blue and purple contrast
with white increases.

So I would love to see. Uh, a more vibrant color. So that’s just a, a hope that 
we could update that, but I haven’t heard anything, uh, regarding that quite yet.
Cool work.

**[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/):** Um, yeah. And, uh, my second 
question about, about the colors is on now we have, uh, 12 colors for each palette.
Um, do, do, do we think that, uh, we should limit it to maybe use a convention, 
like a Fiero, a hundred to 200, 300 instead of the 5, 10 20, but what do you think.

**[@joen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/joen/):** W we could talk about color so
long, I’d always be happy to. And I always, I I’d be happy to talk in the channel
as well. Cause, cause we could talk about this for days. And again, this is just
a personal opinion. Um, I have only been cursorily following the course. The assessed
discussions they’ve been going on for a while.

Now you mentioned 2019, some of these. Explorations. One of the things I love about
a good color pallette is to reduce as much as possible to just a very few set of
base colors. And then see how far you can go with those. And then when necessary
expand there. There, there are various use cases for palettes.

And when you see a pallette like this, you, you sort of get the temptation to, to
feel like it has to work in a harmonious spectrum. But then when you’re actually
working on the software, you find the need for blue 50, 90% of the time and blue
80, maybe like. 1% of the time it’s so the, the actual use of the software, I find
personally varies a great deal. So I’m always a fan of reduction from, from that
angle. Makes sense.

**[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/):** And, um, I, my next step is to
consolidate this pilot with the GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the 
new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience
of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’
to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. [https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/](https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/)
and the fear of death Gutenberg into just solely WordPress colors. Yeah, definitely.
Cool. Yeah.

And now I’m working on, uh, the designfor, um, the translation day that will be 
launched next month. Yeah. So I tried to apply the, colors from that exploration
and to, yeah. Okay. Thanks.

**[@critterverse](https://profiles.wordpress.org/critterverse/):** Did you make 
the Wapuu too? He’s so cute. And he matches your design very nicely.

**[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/):** Okay. Um, That’s good.
Anybody else got any questions? Any other questions?

Nope.

Okay. Uh, we have less than less than, uh, we have seven minutes. So anything else
that we want to talk about?

No questions, nothing.

**[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/):** Um, about the library, the Figma
component library?

[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/)**:** Oh, we already, we 
already talked about that. You were late. You were late Boy. Um, You want to go 
again Joel and explain it to him, quick?

 I can give a quick update on what happened. What happened, I think was a mistake,
a human error that caused more than 300 components to have some change, not sure
what change it was and that felt wrong. So it took a backup of the file. And at 
that point in time, and then restored to a version of the Figma file that did not
have those 300 plus changes. So the Figma file is good again, but if you’re, if 
you made some icon or something after. July 27th.

Um, please copy it from the backup file into the, into the new one and then publish
again. Okay.

[@estelaris](https://profiles.wordpress.org/estelaris/): All right. Anybody else?

No. Okay. Well then I guess I’m just going to give you all back your five minutes.
Um, thank you very much for joining and, uh, and we’ll be back on Tuesday. Uh we’re
we’re started reviewing, uh, tickets. Um, Paal was on triage this week on Tuesday
and we’re getting people back. So we’re going to start, we’re going to continue 
now, and we’re going to get me back, get off that summer break and get on a regular
schedule from now on. Okay. So we’ll be back on triage on Tuesday and in the same
meetings on Wednesdays. So [00:32:00] hope to see you guys and thank you very much.
Good day. Good night. We’ll see you.

**[@ibdz](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ibdz/):** Bye.

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