Dev Chat Summary: (5.6 Week 4)

Greetings! Here’s what happened in CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

0500 core devchat

@thewebprincess led the meeting and took notes. Find the full SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. archive here.

2000 core devchat

@laurora led the chat; @thelmachido took notes. Here’s the full archive.

Both groups followed this agenda: https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/09/08/dev-chat-agenda-september-9th-2020/

Announcements

We started by celebrating WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Ogijima in Japan over the weekend! 

@thewebprincess also highlighted a post by Shinichi Nishikawa about how they set up the tech and will share the link when she finds it.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

Timezones and Daylight savings:

After some discussion across timezones, the two dev chats have agreed to pin meeting times to UTC and let people adjust calendars locally. If the changes mean fewer people at meetings or involved in the project, several folks noted we can also change back.

The version 5.5 release team is still looking for feedback

Please share your perspective on the process — especially what people and teams can do to make future releases smoother for everyone. Please comment by Saturday at 8:00 UTC.

What’s next in Gutenberg

@annezazu updates the community once a month on all things blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience.. It’s a great way to stay informed (planning your pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party or theme roadmap?) and get involved!

A comment on the agenda post:

 @pbearne asked for feedback this ticket. @peterwilsoncc answered and will give him  design feedback.

Component maintainers

Upgrade/Install 

Will explore adding some UIUI User interface elements to manage email notifications on plugin and theme auto-updates.

Privacy 

@carike reported in: “We have been receiving a lot of feedback, for which we are very grateful. Will update tickets over the next few days with more details on the proposed application design.” 

No updates of note this week from Multisitemultisite Used to describe a WordPress installation with a network of multiple blogs, grouped by sites. This installation type has shared users tables, and creates separate database tables for each blog (wp_posts becomes wp_0_posts). See also network, blog, site, Options/MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress., Roles, Menus & Widgets, Build/Test Tools or Customize.

What if a component maintainer can’t make devchat?

After some discussion, this request from the group: Please add your updates as a comments on the Agenda post. 

Open Floor

@thewebprincess asked the people represented to call out the areas they’re focusing on. 
That morphed into a conversation about people’s desire to dig into contributing to E2E testing. At first, it looked imperative to wait for progress from the working group mentioned here – but the group decided there’s no real block to diving in now.

  • Should there be a 5.5.2? 
  •  Ever thought about being a committercommitter A developer with commit access. WordPress has five lead developers and four permanent core developers with commit access. Additionally, the project usually has a few guest or component committers - a developer receiving commit access, generally for a single release cycle (sometimes renewed) and/or for a specific component.? Here’s how you get there.
  • How can we help someone new — or even just watching from the sidelines —  find their place, or is it trial and error? See what people said in the full discussion.
  • One of those quizzes you get on social media all the time, “find your WordPress spirit animal”  led us to this tool, which the WCEU team used for contributor days. How could people use this — or a version — inside teams?

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

 in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

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Dev Chat Summary: (5.6 Week 3)

This post summarizes this week’s meetings happening on Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 on the agenda.

0500 coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. devchat

0500 Full meeting transcript on SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.: https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C02RQBWTW/p1599022834165200

@thewebprincess facilitated the meeting and took notes.

2000 core devchat

The meeting was facilitated by @thewebprincess while @thelmachido took notes. Full meeting transcript on slack

Both groups followed the pre-prepared agenda and started the chat by acknowledging the adjustment to the new timing of the chat having moved it a day earlier.

Announcements

The group was excited about the release of version 5.5.1. @audrasjb thanked everyone who contributed to the release, specifically @winstina and @hauwaabashiya who hosted their first release parties.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

  • The discussion then turned to how best to accommodate Daylight Savings time changes – whether to shift the meeting or keep it at the UTC times which means time changes for participants.
    “ … how do we adjust for daylight savings?” see  @thewebprincess post. In recent years, the switch was made after all countries shifted to DST. What’s being proposed is that we switch that in favour of consistency with UTC. There’s a loosely described process on the matter in the handbook Daylight Saving Time (DST), however, given the more diverse geography attending dev chat, it may be time to reassess the process.
    We need to decide and document it in time for the first change due to take place on September 27 when NZ adjusts their clocks. The group agreed that the decision will be made next week in the meantime if you have something to add to help inform that decision, please leave comments on the post.

Then in the open time, two issues were discussed.

  • Then this issue https://make.wordpress.org/core/2020/06/29/updating-jquery-version-shipped-with-wordpress/ was raised by @markparnell, asking the question ” what’s the feeling about this given the volume of jQuery issues after 5.5? are we ready to take the next step, or should we take things a little more slowly?” After some discussion, the conclusion was made that it’s too early yet for a decision and that timing of that point would be best before the betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. release (@pwcc) so the group will revisit in a couple of weeks. View slack archive.
    Afterwards, @timothyblynjacobs made a comment on the ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. “If we upgrade to jQuery 3.0 do we anticipate using any jQuery 3.0 features? Or if WordPress Core won’t be reliant on jQuery Migrate, … follow the conversation on Update jQuery step two ticket.
  • Awareness was raised on  Writing Developer Notes handbook for all contributors interested in writing dev-notes for future releases. Also, view the handbook on Leading Bug Scrubs that was based off a post during version 4.7 it was published recently.

Component maintainers

There is nothing of note from Build/Test Tools this week, but if anyone is interested in helping out with adding end to end / functional tests to the core then check out the post from a couple of weeks ago by @francina.

The Site Health team is assessing focuses for version 5.6 in their meeting next week.

@whyisjake – “While the release team is wrapping up the 5.5 processes, they want to reach out to the wider community for perspectives on the process and what could be done in the future to make releases smoother for everyone. Comments can be publicly shared directly on the post that is to come later, or as part of this form. All responses will be catalogued and then shared.”

Closing Remarks 

GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ 8.9 was released yesterday by @jorgefilipecosta! Of note, the new widgets screen was moved out of experimental. There will be more to come in the “What’s New” post for the release. A call for testing will be published on WordPress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/ after some design changes are done.

@sergey This is for anyone working on unit tests in core, stricter type checking by using assertSame() should generally be preferred now to assertEquals() where appropriate, to make the tests more reliable. This is helpful in the ongoing work on PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 8 support. See ticket for more details.

Next Dev Chat meetings

The next meetings will take place on Wednesday, September 9, 2020, 07:00 AM GMT+2 and Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 in the #core Slack channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

#5-5, #5-5-1, #5-6, #core, #dev-chat, #summary

Dev Chat Summary: August 26 (5.6 Week 2)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from August 26th facilitated by @thewebprincess on this agenda.

Full meeting transcript on slack

General Announcements

See @audrasjb post for details on the scheduled maintenance release for WordPress 5.5.1 after a handful of bugs were identified on WordPress 5.5 “Eckstine”. The first Release Candidaterelease candidate One of the final stages in the version release cycle, this version signals the potential to be a final release to the public. Also see alpha (beta). is planned to be on Thursday, August 27, 2020, and the Final release planned to be on Tuesday, September 1st, 2020 estimated time 20:00–21:00 UTC or later depending on work to be done on the remaining tickets.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

Components check-in and status updates

The first CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. CSSCSS Cascading Style Sheets. triagetriage The act of evaluating and sorting bug reports, in order to decide priority, severity, and other factors. is being hosted today at 4pm EDT in the #core-css channel. One hour before the weekly Core CSS chat.  

@carikee flagged milestone tickets for privacy initiatives that still open and need to be looked at #51092, #51110 & 51144.

There is nothing of note from the Build/Test Tools component at the moment other than the before mentioned post about PHP updates.

Open Floor

The meeting pivoted into a 5.5.1 pre-RC scrub run

Ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. #50910 has had some testing but could use some more tests.  It is hopefully going to land for 5.5.1-RC1, so the more eyes the better similarly for #51129.  

@carikee asked committers for their input on whether to use the REST APIREST API The REST API is an acronym for the RESTful Application Program Interface (API) that uses HTTP requests to GET, PUT, POST and DELETE data. It is how the front end of an application (think “phone app” or “website”) can communicate with the data store (think “database” or “file system”) https://developer.wordpress.org/rest-api/. to expose user consent on the front-end. Also, the need to add the extra 10KB or so to expose wp.data to the front end.

@audrasjb flagged  5.5.1 milestones that need to be cleared and @pbiron also flagged 5.5.1 tickets that are still open.  

The meeting continued as a 5.5.1 pre-RC scrub run by @desrosj.

Next Dev Chat meeting 

The next meeting will take place on Wednesday, September 3, 2020, 10:00 PM GMT+2 in the #core SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. channel. Please feel free to drop in with any updates or questions. If you have items to discuss but cannot make the meeting, please leave a comment on this post so that we can take them into account. 

#5-5, #5-5-1, #5-6, #core, #summary

Dev Chat – APAC Edition Meeting Summary – August 20 2020

@peterwilsoncc called us to order and introduced @thewebprincess as the release coordinator and handed the chat over to her facilitation. 

The chat started out loosely following the same agenda as the earlier chat celebrating the commencement of the new release and release squad.

This sparked an excited response about having an APAC based release coordinator and a cheeky question about whether or not the release party would now fall into APAC timezones as a result. (Let’s cross that bridge when we come to it).

We also highlighted the same two posts for review.

Open floor

As it was initially a fairly quiet gathering @thewebprincess took the opportunity to ask some probing questions about what it’s like to contribute to coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. when you’re based in the APAC timezones; specifically “What are the biggest challenges to contributing from this part of the world? And what more could be done to help alleviate those challenges?” 

There were some great responses to arise out of this conversation, which you can read in detail here

There was agreement that the advent of dev chat and triagetriage The act of evaluating and sorting bug reports, in order to decide priority, severity, and other factors. in APAC timezones have made the feeling of isolation from the core conversations has lessened somewhat which is great to hear.

The regional participants are also really hopeful that having release leadership based in this timezone will be a really positive step forward to increasing the cohort of participants in the region. 

We then discussed steps to help improve participation in the APAC region, these were the areas we covered:

  • @webcommsat advised that the marketing team have an initiative under way to help promote different meetings – so next steps is for a chat to happen to talk about what that might mean for APAC dev chat (and dev chat in general).
  • Making the APAC dev chat a bit more visible by taking and posting notes after the call (we have made a commitment to do this going forward, starting with these notes).
  • We then discussed the timing of the meeting and whether moving the APAC chat to before the Americas/EMEA one would help reduce barriers to entry for APAC participants (opening for discussion below).
  • Changing the language used to describe each dev chat in order to give them equal weight as a means to help increase participation/perceived value.

Requests for Comment

  1. The consensus for the members present was that there would be significant benefit in moving the APAC call forward (earlier) by 24 hours. This would mean:
  • The agenda notes would need to be posted 24 hours earlier than the APAC call to allow both discussions to follow similar agendas
  • There may be an increased need for maintainer teams to add their updates to the agenda post for discussion in the chats as most maintainers won’t be available for the earlier call
  1. Adjusting the language around how we describe the dev chats to give each equal weight – currently we have ‘dev chat’ and ‘APAC dev chat’ let’s discuss what a more equable format might look like… here are a couple of options that were thrown in to the call such as using UTC time to differentiate chats (2000UTC dev chat or 0500UTC dev chat), using regions – America/EMEA Dev Chat and APAC Dev Chat or something else…

What do you think?

Before making such changes it is important to open this up for discussion so that all interested/affected parties might add their thoughts to the conversation, we’d love to hear from you below if you have anything to contribute.

#5-6, #dev-chat, #summary

Devchat meeting summary – April 22, 2020

The chat was led by @davidbaumwald based on this agenda.

The full meeting transcript is available on Slack.

Highlighted blogblog (versus network, site) posts

@davidbaumwald shared some posts from the Make CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. blog.

5.4 Retrospective – Call for feedback: the deadline is April 30 and everyone is welcome to leave a feedback.

Proposal: Core Team Rep Elections: the deadline for nominations and self-nominations is May 4.

We’re applying to Season of Docs: a new working group that needs help!

WordPress 5.5: Call for Tickets: the deadline is April 30.

Upcoming Releases

WordPress 5.4.1 Release Candidaterelease candidate One of the final stages in the version release cycle, this version signals the potential to be a final release to the public. Also see alpha (beta). 1 was supposed to be released yesterday Wednesday, but there were some miscommunication between Core team and GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ team. The RC has then been pushed back to this Friday. The Gutenberg changes that are going to be included in the release are listed in this pull request. The milestone for this point release is also cleared.

@davidbaumwald reminded that for 5.5, all the maintainers have been pinged about potential features and focuses.  If you’re a component maintainer and haven’t replied yet, please do, so scope and schedule can be proposed.

He also said that work for 5.6 release, aka all-women release, continues. All the women that expressed interest have been contacted. @chanthaboune, @angelasjin, @cbringmann and @francina will work on phase 2: identifying missing roles and cohorts to organize the team that will ride along with 5.5.

Components Check-in

@francina has pinged #meta team about having a weekly scheduled post to check Components status; @dd32 expressed some concerns about the noise that it will create. @davidbaumwald suggested to move on with this for a three-month test.

@audrasjb gave an update about plugins and themes auto-update feature. The team released version 0.6.0 of the Feature Plugin yesterday Wednesday.

The Feature PluginFeature Plugin A plugin that was created with the intention of eventually being proposed for inclusion in WordPress Core. See Features as Plugins. contains all the identified must-have features and the UIUI User interface was reviewed by several teams. The team is now about to write the Core merge proposal post on Make/Core. More infos here.

Open Floor

@apedog asked a question about routing in WordPress Core. He stated that the WP class having $_SERVER hard-coded into it. And this would require re-writing the methods inside WP class, but without changing its functionality.

@clorith said that he’s generally against the bot idea for a general channel with lots of chatter, and the loss of potential input to backscroll. If it’s going to happen, it should be on Make/* somewhere for consistency and visibility.

@audrasjb pointed out to #16557, a long standing ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. raised by some people in the French WordPress community. It appears it would be a great SEO enhancementenhancement Enhancements are simple improvements to WordPress, such as the addition of a hook, a new feature, or an improvement to an existing feature. to provide proper filters on redirect_guess_404_permalink() function.

He milestoned the ticket to 5.5.0 and refreshed the existing patchpatch A special text file that describes changes to code, by identifying the files and lines which are added, removed, and altered. It may also be referred to as a diff. A patch can be applied to a codebase for testing. against trunktrunk A directory in Subversion containing the latest development code in preparation for the next major release cycle. If you are running "trunk", then you are on the latest revision. after testing it. This still needs some unit tests, but before writing them, it would be nice to get a quick review on the current proposal.

@netpassprodsr called for review on #49832.

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