Dev Chat Summary: May 17th (4.8 week 3)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from May 17th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.5 Release

  • 4.7.5 was released; six security issues and three maintenance fixes, thanks to everyone who pitched in to get that out!

4.8 Timing

  • Beta 1 went out on Friday, May 12th
  • Beta 2 is due out this Friday, May 19th; potentially shepherded by @matias between 16:00 and 18:00 UTC
  • Please plan anything important before Beta 2 in by Thursday evening, May 18th

4.8 Bug Scrubs

4.8 Dev Notes / Field Guide

Location identification in Events widget

General announcements

  • Anything outside Customize, Editor, REST API, and CLI has lower priority focus in 2017
  • Major work on other components will likely not be merged or considered

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Dev Chat Summary: April 26th (4.7.4 week 8)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from April 26th (Slack archive).

News & Updates

Target Browser Coverage

  • WordPress is officially ending support for Internet Explorer versions 8, 9, and 10, starting with WordPress 4.8
  • @voldemortensen: When patches are backported to versions pre-4.8 should they be tested against older IE versions? Are we maintaining that sort of back compat for this or once 4.8 ships we drop support for it everywhere?
    • Unlikely that anyone will test that support on backported branches
    • The “Everything else: Bugs fixed as reported.” rule from the handbook could be stretched and applied to those IE versions
    • Will continue down that path until an alternate approach for backports to versions pre-4.8 is confirmed more officially

Editor Team

  • aiming for prototype parity by the end of month
  • will gladly take any assistance on resolving issues and testing via their GitHub repo

Customize Team

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Dev Chat Summary: April 19th (4.7.4 week 7)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from April 19th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Release Timing

  • We pushed out that RC for 4.7.4 yesterday, please test it diligently
  • So far there’s been one bug report on Trac which is assigned to @azaozz: #40480: Cursor position bug when updating WPView shortcode in 4.7.4 RC
  • Otherwise no apparent activity in the forums
  • If everything goes well the plan is to release 4.7.4 by tomorrow, Thursday, April 20th starting at 16.00 UTC

REST API Team

  • A few common themes coming up while we’ve been working on with using the REST API in the dashboard
  • In particular, a common need for date handling, hooks, and i18n across various different components
  • The other two foci will either hit into this or already have, so we propose to coordinate on a common goal here (see: #39222, #20491, and #21170)
  • Propose that we nominate someone to coordinate efforts across these, including use in the Gutenberg prototype
  • Potentially someone who can look at wider, longer term plans with JS as well
  • Assumption that there’s a broad problem here, which is that we’re lacking coordination and direction for our JS stuff
  • It may help to start having core-js meetings to coordinate this, and/or for someone to take charge of the discussion
  • @aduth & @adamsilverstein will team up to lead this effort

General Announcements

  • #40462: Add placeholders to wp_login_form()
    • users in the Israeli WordPress community requesting feature
    • Previously #24324: Placeholder support to login form
    • Will add use cases to the ticket to explain why it would make sense
    • Otherwise mark it as a duplicate and keep discussion in one place

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Dev Chat Summary: April 12th (4.7.4 week 6)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from April 12th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Planning

  • There are currently 23 open tickets in the milestone
  • We had been aiming for an early May release, but an annoying bug (#40305, noted by @azaozz) related to TinyMCE and the upcoming Chrome release has forced us to reevaluate this strategy
  • After talking to Andrew and the security team, we decided on a new release date for WordPress 4.7.4: Tuesday, April 18, with April 20 as a fallback.
  • There will likely be an additional 4.7.5 release soon after this one

Customize Team

Editor Team

  • We’re in the long stretch of building and building, so we’re also holding “office hours” instead of weekly meetings.

REST API Team

General Announcements

  • @helen is going on leave after Friday, April 14th until August (probably 2017) (hopefully she meant 2017) (is it August yet?)

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Dev Chat Summary: April 5th (4.7.4 week 5)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from April 5th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Planning

  • Bug scrub on Monday helped close additional tickets, < 30 tickets in the milestone
  • Needs Patch tickets likely to be punted to next release if no progress/patch soon
  • Still aiming for an early May release
  • @barry to work on resolving issue with Git mirror at develop.git.wordpress.org (tests not running on Travis, uncertain about build status)
  • Please help test tickets, especially #40085 and #40075 as high priority tickets

Community Summit and Core team reps

  • Invites to Community Summit have been sent out, please RSVP if you haven’t done so
  • @desrosj, @stevenkword, & @adamsilverstein in attendance at CS and WCEU and will be Core team reps to help coordinate for CS

Customize Team

  • Image widget is getting close to being ready for merge, so please test to help ensure its solid

REST API Team

  • #38323: Reconsider $object_subtype handling in register_meta()
    • Looking to gather feedback on a solid approach for enhancing register_meta(), so that metadata may also be registered for specific “subtypes” only, not entire object types
    • When originally enhanced (see #35658), this functionality was stripped out in the end because of a lack of decision and since time was running out in the 4.6 cycle
    • Some discussion earlier today that culminated in #core-restapi channel
    • A problem is that Core has never before used the concept of “subtypes”, we’ve always dealt with post types and taxonomies (for example) separately
    • Will continue the technical discussion in #core-restapi or on the #38323 ticket
    • If anyone has further ideas on how to clarify the functionality of register_meta(), please help us out in #core-restapi or on the related GitHub issue

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Dev Chat Summary: March 29th (4.7.4 week 4)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from March 29th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Planning

  • There were only 35 open tickets in the milestone at the time of the meeting.
  • 2 bug scrubs over the last 2 weeks helped close a lot of those open tickets.
  • The release is still on schedule for the first week of May, but a few more bug scrubs are necessary.
  • If you have owned a ticket, please help test it!
  • Next bug scrub will take place on April 3, 2017 at 17:00 UTC. @stevenkword offered to help.

Editor Team

  • Nothing in particular to discuss this week.
  • Work continues on the editor feature plugin.
  • Day to day discussion and work happens in the #core-editor Slack channel, and the Gutenberg GitHub project.
  • Help testing, feedback, and contributions are welcome in both places.

REST API Team

  • No updates this week.
  • Work continues in the #core-restapi Slack channel.
  • There are some component tickets in the 4.7.4 milestone that will hopefully be closer to merge this week.

Core team reps

Open Floor Items

  • @dlh brought up #36188
  • @stevenkword brought up #20899
  • Both requested additional eyes, and people to test the fixes. Both offered to trade tickets and test.

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Dev Chat Summary: March 22nd (4.7.4 week 3)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from March 22nd (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Planning

  • Moving dev chat back an hour to 20:00 UTC starting with next week’s chat (due to DST)
  • That makes next week’s meeting at Wednesday, March 29, 20:00 UTC
  • Bug scrub planned for Thursday, March 23, 15:00 UTC to review tickets in 4.7.4 milestone, likely tackling needs-patch tickets first
  • Tentatively aiming for first week of May for 4.7.4 release, but will adjust as bug scrubs determine what needs to / should land in 4.7.4

Core team reps

  • Still looking for nominations for a Core team rep
  • Core team reps need to plan to be at the Community Summit and can take on organizing topics and people
  • @logankipp planning to be at the summit, open to helping; will tag him as Core team rep, but would like to find one more person to help
  • Please comment or contact @jbpaul17 directly if you’re planning to attend the summit and can help organize topics/people for Core

Editor team

  • Moving into feature plugin phase with Gutenberg, looking for and greatly appreciate contributions and feedback to the GitHub repo
  • Lots of discussion ongoing in the GitHub repo (e.g., Plugin: Implement block registering API), so please follow along and chime in
  • Will proceed on Gutenberg without support for older browsers
  • Will start surfacing things that may need broader discussion in how we use JS, what tools we develop, etc.

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Dev Chat Summary: March 15th (4.7.4 week 2)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from March 15th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.4 Planning

Browser support

  • Additional dev chat earlier today on topic of Browser support (Slack archive)
  • After some discussion, we arrived at the following strategy.
    • A “text” editor available to everyone is the best fallback – the new visual editor will leave old browsers behind.
    • Some form of the current version of the editor can be packaged into a plugin. Sites with users requiring a more advanced editor experience for older browsers can install this plugin.
    • The WordPress admin screen will display a notice of some sort to users with older browsers explaining the changes and how they can install the plugin for the experience they were used to (possibly utilizing BrowseHappy).
    • The editor team will use their research for the new editor to determine which buttons need to remain in the “text” editor with support for older browsers.
    • A more general discussion about browser support policies is slated to be had at the Community Summit before WordCamp EU. But this discussion can start before that (@jorbin is working on a Make post to start that conversation).
  • Any additional feedback from anyone who could not attend then is welcomed!

Core team reps

  • Last week we had nominations for @jorbin and @afercia.
  • Core team reps need to plan to be at the Community Summit and can take on organizing topics and people
  • @afercia not currently scheduled to be at summit, but would like to
  • Please comment or contact @jbpaul17 directly if you’re planning to attend the summit and can help organize topics/people for Core

Customize team

REST API team

  • Day of REST event was successful, but delayed continuing bug triage, will pick back up on 4.7.4 to make sure we keep solving the critical pieces
  • @jnylen0 & others resolved issue with tests & daylight savings time
  • due to bandwidth the existing REST API contributor group is fully occupied with the API itself
  • existing REST API contributor group have neither the bandwidth nor the domain expertise to also be leading the WP Admin implementations that will consume the REST API
  • @adamsilverstein lead the charge with Quick Draft, and work has begun in several parallel channels, but as of right now there’s nothing that appears to have momentum
  • We need help to drive adoption of the REST API within WP Admin, please come chat in #core-restapi any time
  • We need more explicit awareness of how the other feature teams want to use the REST API, or volunteers to lead separate implementations to move away from admin-ajax where it introduces inconsistency
  • If you’re not able to lead the separate implementations, then please chime in on component tickets as they’re opened to help us triage the pain points

General announcements

  • PHPunit tests (#39265: Missing @covers and @uses in the comments block in phpunt test for wordpress)
    • @pbearne: I am trying to do is get support to have @cover and @uses required for PHPunint tests
    • @pbearne: Willing to work through the old tests to add the missing comments
    • @pbearne: I would like to propose that we require for all new / updated tests and that the code committers commit updates with these added ASAP
    • How would we use that information going forward?
    • @pbearne: add to WordPress.org as way of show code quality and tell how well we are doing
    • What would be a realistic number we’d want to achieve?
    • @pbearne: anything over 80%
  • If you use the editor, please look to complete the Editor Experience Survey.

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Dev Chat Summary: March 8th (4.7.4 week 1)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from March 8th (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.3 Update

4.7.4 Planning

  • The release lead for the next regularly-scheduled minor release (currently versioned as 4.7.4) will be @swissspidy.
  • Timeline tentatively set for April-May 2017, but we’ll have to get into bug scrubs and work with @swissspidy on an actual timeline for 4.7.4 as time goes by.
  • Just like 4.7.3, the timeline may change and will be highly dependent on how triage get tickets goes.

Browser support

  • @desrosj graciously compiled a summary of the discussion along with stats –> The New Editor and Browser Support
    • The overwhelming developer sentiment in the comments was for dropping support. A handful of people expressed that we did not have a full list of pros for dropping support.
    • But there was not as much discussion as I would have liked comparing the three potential fallbacks mentioned in the post, and no new potential fallbacks were mentioned.
    • I think if a solid, workable fallback that everyone is comfortable with can be decided on, then making the decision to drop support would be made a lot easier.
    • Dropping support for lower versions of IE could impact up to 2m WordPress users on the high end.
  • Discussion continues on a follow-up post –> Continued Discussion on Browser Support
  • There will be an additional dev chat this week to further discuss the fallback strategy to be used if support is dropped for older browsers. This chat will take place on March 15, 2017 at 12:00 EDT.

Core team reps

General announcements

  • A11y: #35566 to replace widget, create new widget, or other option from @afercia
    • A couple proposals on the ticket. Some work was done on them also at WC Europe.
    • We’ve discussed this issue during last accessibility bug-scrub on Monday and thought to bring it to everyone’s attention.
    • Before moving on, we’d like to:
      • see if there’s consensus in removing the title attributes there
      • and most of all, get feedback and recommendations about the best path forward, especially from people who have more experience than the a11y team has in managing backwards compatibility issues
    • As “tooltips” can be a controversial topic so the second proposal doesn’t use them
    • Looking for input on the best option: Deprecating the old widget and introduce a new one? Just replace the current widget? Or something else?
  • #39377: wpautop adds a extra </p>
    • @pbearne looking for dev-feedback, input from @azaozz
  • In a minor release we can consider string changes in moderation and for core focuses only, but we’d need a string freeze two weeks prior.

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Dev Chat Summary: March 1st (4.7.3 week 5)

This post summarizes the dev chat meeting from March 1st (agendaSlack archive).

4.7.3 Schedule

  • Reminder of plan to release 4.7.3 as bugfix and maintenance release on Monday March 6, 2017
  • RC is available so please test

Community Summit

  • Working to review submissions on Planning for Community Summit 2017 post on Make/Core as well as submissions to the Make/Summit team via the Community Summit 2017: Sign-up Request post
  • Between now and Friday, March 5th the Core team needs to come up with:
    • 1) a list of topics for the summit
    • 2) A list of representatives to attend the Community Summit
    • 3) One or two contributors who are willing to help with the organization of the event
  • “participating” generally means being physically present for the discussions in Paris, France days prior to WCEU this summer for the Community Summit
  • Each topic facilitator will do both a pre-summit and post-summit Make/Core post. @jbpaul17 to confirm timelines with @_dorsvenabili to help prep those facilitators for those post timings.
  • Javascript in core [will submit to CS]
    • “what we hope and imagine for the future with the REST API, and how we hope to get there… what we have in core now and how we can improve it and how we can attract more JavaScript first developers to build on WordPress and especially contribute to core… How the REST API relates to wp-admin.” Submitted by @adamsilverstein to attend and volunteer to help in whatever role is most helpful.
    • “REST API admin usage: Where we can start moving things to using the API (and maybe even get a couple of them done at the summit)” Related submission from @chriscct7, recommended to include @rmccue
    • @kadamwhite: A heavy dependency on “the future of JS in core” and that discussion should originate from the broader WP community, not be mandated by the REST API group
  • Technology version support policies [will submit to CS]
    • @jorbin: (versions of PHP, MySQL, Browsers, Screen Readers, other AT, etc.) Let’s come up with some concrete plans for when we intend to deprecate things and how we want to handle it. People Who would be good to have in this discussion: @dd32 (to help with stats) @pento (to help with messaging) @afercia and @rianrietveld ( to help formulate AT support policies if they don’t exist already), @westonruter ( as maintainer of the largest JS component) @azaozz ( as maintainer of tinyMCE component) @matveb ( as dev lead of new editor)
    • @getsource, @boonebgorges, and @matt as additional reps for this topic
  • Improved management of contributors with time to spare [will submit to CS]
    • @johnbillion: This topic is particularly focused on pre-existing contributors who are paid to contribute to WordPress (eg. those whose time is sponsored by their employers), but also pre-existing contributors who aren’t sponsored but who do want to contribute a significant and/or consistent amount of time, and also potential contributors in a similar position.
      As a project, we need to manage these people’s time much better. These people need to be project managed in one way or another to avoid repeats of situations we’ve had in the past where a contributor is literally being paid to fix things in WordPress and the project is failing to enable them to do so effectively, or even at all. I’d (@johnbillion) like to attend the summit, and I’d be happy to jointly lead this discussion with someone who has good project management experience and some ideas about how WordPress might be able to better manage contributors, but at the same time do it in such a way that retains the fun and interesting aspects of contributing without turning it into something that too closely resembles “work”. [Side note from John: Worth noting that this doesn’t only apply to core, but it’s a good place to start.]
    • @helen did a survey of time availability a while ago, sent list to John to use for this topic
    • @aaroncampbell, @getsource, @jorbin, @boonebgorges, and @logankipp as additional reps for this topic
  • On-boarding experience for new contributors [will submit to CS]
    • @joemcgill: Lots of people who want to get involved have no idea where to focus their efforts.
    • @kadamwhite: Speaking for myself this is hugely related to the future of JS in core and the REST API, since those pieces really need the energy new contribs would bring
    • @getsource: I am willing to participate or lead, although I don’t know what leading it means besides guiding conversation at this point. @aaroncampbell also willing to lead.
    • @peterwilsoncc, @flixos90, @logankipp, @jorbin, @johnbillion, and @stevenkword as additional reps for this topic
  • Communicating changes to WordPress Core [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @jorbin: For the past few years, core has produced a field guide and worked with the meta and plugins team to email plugin others about changes to core. Each release though triggers a number of people who don’t know about changes until after the release. Challenge: How can we help ensure changes that aren’t worthy of user marketing promotion are known by a far greater percentage of WordPress developers?
      Might also impact or benefit from input from +make.wordpress.org/plugins +make.wordpress.org/themes +make.wordpress.org/marketing +make.wordpress.org/meta.
      Even when we get the field guide out on time, issues come up post release.
      two ideas:
      1) Translating the field guide (is this reasonable if the posts that it links to aren’t translated?) Also means polyglots should be in the discussion
      2) Using the new release email mailing list to announce RC
    • @helen: I think it’s worth at least starting the conversation earlier, even if it ends up still being valuable to continue something in person.
    • @desrosj: There may also be some great ideas from people who cannot attend in person. It would be a great opportunity for them to have their ideas heard and contribute, even if they are not able to follow through with the discussion in person at the summit.
    • @jorbinI’m going to withdraw the communication topic as my proposal for the summit with the note that I might want to resubmit it depending on how the virtual discussion goes
    • @azaozz and @sergey as additional reps for this topic
  • Security [will submit to CS]
    • @chriscct7: The process of a security ticket from report through triage through disclosure. Aaron Campbell (security czar) has made it clear this needs to be discussed at some point and I feel like the community summit would provide a good venue as many of those on the team will be there in person and we can mirror the conversation easily for those who are not. Recommend including @aaroncampbell
    • @aaroncampbell: This is actually a good idea, although I don’t think it’s because “those on the team will be there” but rather because I’d love to get input from some other people too, and security is generally sensitive enough that a place like the summit seems useful
    • @rmccue, @kadamwhite, @matveb, @joen, @westonruter, @melchoyce as additional reps for this topic
  • Collection of Anonymous data [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @chriscct7: If core is interested in doing it, I think my experience with doing it for a trac ticket (settings reduction) might prove to be useful to add to the discussion. Recommend including @drewapicture
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic since this is currently opt-in and the issue is finding an owner of this topic
  • Bootstrap/Load [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @schlessera: Opening up the WordPress Core Architecture to make it flexible enough as a platform so that it can:  * serve both novice end-users as well as large-scale enterprise installations in an optimized way;  * quickly adapt to changing external requirements, to keep up with the accelerating pace of the web. Recommend including @rmccue
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic since it does not need to happen in-person, already has discussions underway, and should be scheduled in next couple of weeks
  • Code editor [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @georgestephanis: Code Syntax Highlighting implementation and accessibility concerns — how we can get CodeMirror or whatever better library there is implemented and rolled out for both Customizer Custom CSS, Theme/Plugin Editor, and Content Blocks. Recommend including @afercia @westonruter
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic since it does not need to happen in-person and should happen sooner than the CS.
  • REST API authentication [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @georgestephanis: Third-party authentication with the REST API.    Between OAuth 1.0a, OAuth2, central application brokers, Application Passwords, or some other system — there’s a lot of possibilities here, and it’d be really nice if Core could pick something and move forward with it before folks start spoofing cookie authentication in applications to integrate with core.
    • Relevant chat summary from the last time we had one
    • This really needs an owner, otherwise it’ll continue to be punted. There’s fundamental differences on what the direction should be.
    • @samuelsidler: I don’t think core can decide until someone has documented the possible options, along with their strengths and weaknesses, then had some discussions on what would be best for core and why.
    • @georgestephanis, @rmccue, @logankipp volunteered post on Make/Core to move this topic along
    • We will table this idea and maybe propose it for the summit based upon how the near term discussions go
  • Front-end Editing [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @westonruter: Frontend editing powered by bootstrapping the customizer onto the frontend, with inline direct manipulation of elements on the page and the controls sidebar being lazy loaded to slide in from the left as needed. Editable elements include post content and site configuration (sidebars, menus, options, etc). Recommend including @celloexpressions
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic since it depends on too many other things we won’t know by then, so we will pass on that topic (at least for now).
  • Nextgen Widgets [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @westonruter: Next generation of widgets which harmonize with content blocks in the editor.
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic for the CS, but good conversation for the contributor day.
  • Feedback on Core focuses [will NOT submit to CS]
    • @georgestephanis: Six months in, how are we feeling about shifting away to a more top-directed set of focuses for the year?
    • General agreement to NOT include this topic as it’ll be hard to say until/unless we’ve shipped a core release by then (we likely won’t) and is a conversation that should happen in public.
  • Complete list of representatives nominated to attend the Community Summit: @matt, @nacin, @adamsilverstein@rmccue@kadamwhite@chriscct7, @dd32@pento@afercia@rianrietveld@westonruter@azaozz@matveb, @getsource, @boonebgorges@aaroncampbell, @jorbin, @logankipp, @peterwilsoncc, @flixos90, @johnbillion, @stevenkword, @azaozz, @sergey, @karmatosed, @joen, @westonruter, @melchoyce, @jnylen0, @ipstenu, @joemcgill, @joehoyle, @rachelbaker, @michael-arestad, @petya, @danielbachhuber, @ocean90, @samuelsidler, @afercia@desrosj, @iseulde, @jjj@celloexpressions
  • We’re still searching for 1-2 contributors who are willing to help with event organization, so please comment here or reach out to @jbpaul17 if you’re interested
  • @jbpaul17 will send the Core team responses to the Community Summit team by Friday, March 3rd.

Browser support

  • Please take a look at @desrosj’s post: The New Editor and Browser Support
  • This will be a topic of discussion at next week’s devchat.
  • Please leave your thoughts there as comments, and bring them along next week as well.

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