WP Notify Meeting Recap – August 26, 2019

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The following is a summary of the kick off WP Notify meetings that occurred on Monday, August 26, 2019. Weekly WP Notify are held every Monday at 14:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC respectively. A full transcript can be found here in the #feature-notifications channel in the Make WordPress Slack.

Attendees: @jon_bossenger, @juhise, @Hareesh, @nik, @richard_korthuis, @netpassprodsr, @jpry, @felipeelia, @sergey, @patpgogy, @timothybjacobs @hrmervin, @mnelson4, @justinahinon, @sergey, @garrett-eclipse, @xendin.unknown, @mikeschinkel

Recap

We kicked of both meetings with a review of the current project status, with a focus on the original tracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. and the proposal post.

Next steps

Our proposed next step is to review the current data and start collecting all of the requirements.
This should also include any design requirements, and a data model that needs to be able to handle all of the use cases
Our ultimate first goal for the next few weeks or so would be a requirements document, including designs, and the data model

Requirements gathering tools

An important part of this process would be to agree on the tools we will use to gather and document the project requirements. Some form of collaborative documentation tool that doesn’t limit anyone based on operating system or location seems like the best choice. Options discussed include:

Google Docs
Microsoft offers a onedrive.live complement to Google Docs
A GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com//GitLab repo, with PR’s working as ways to accept items for the document
@netpassprodsr was curious as to whether SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.’s document store be a practical option?
@hrmervin pointed out the using GitHub/GitLab might be limiting to non developer folks

There was also a lively discussion around the actual technical implementation, however it was agreed that it is too early to be discussing this.

Comments/suggestions are encouraged and welcome.

#feature-notifications, #summary

zaantar 6:53 am on August 29, 2019

Just a note regarding tools: I’d highly suggest looking into Notion, it’s very versatile and so far has proven to be very useful for managing various projects (like WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. organization, for example).
- Jonathan Bossenger 7:14 am on August 29, 2019
  
  Thank you, Notion is something I have used as well. Do you know of any limitations/concerns/benefits compared to Google Docs?
  - zaantar 7:25 am on August 29, 2019
    
    The only limitation is that it’s a paid service if you actually want to use it on a larger scale, $4 a month for a single user.
    
    They also have a “workspace” plan for $8/month/user, I think, but that has proven as unnecessary. For our WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Prague organizer team, I’ve just created the main page in my single user account and shared it with others who have free accounts.
    
    The formatting options are… different than in Google docs, but IMHO that’s a good thing. Even if people don’t pay much attention to it, the result will look pretty good.
    
    And the freedom in organizing and querying structured data in combination with documents is unprecedented IMHO.
    - Jonathan Bossenger 7:32 am on August 29, 2019
      
      Thanks. I do think cost factor may be a blockerblocker A bug which is so severe that it blocks a release., as a newly proposed feature of an open sourceOpen Source Open Source denotes software for which the original source code is made freely available and may be redistributed and modified. Open Source **must be** delivered via a licensing model, see GPL. project, we don’t have funds to put into something like that.
      - zaantar 7:43 am on August 29, 2019
        
        Makes sense. But maybe you will find out that someone from the contributors already uses Notion for their own purposes and will be willing to “host” it.
Justin Ahinon 8:39 am on August 29, 2019

Regarding the tool to use, I used to work with gDocs and I know the display of comments can become really confusing when they reach a certain number.

I also believe that GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ or GitLab may not seem intuitive to non-developers. Then there remains Notion, which seems to be a good alternative. I don’t know if their free plan can work (an opinion?)

Also it might be useful to see what tools other WordPress projects have used in the past.
- zaantar 8:43 am on August 29, 2019
  
  The free plan of Notion has a limitation to 1000 blocks (a blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. is a paragraph, for example), so I think it will be depleted very quickly. You’d need at least one person with a paid account $4/month.
  - Justin Ahinon 9:03 am on August 29, 2019
    
    Ook. Yeah, a free plan won’t work so.
Jonathan Bossenger 8:01 pm on August 30, 2019

Based on the suggestions from the meetings and in discussions here, I’m gong to suggest we move forward with a combination of Google Docs and TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress..

1. Google Doc for the physical requirements document
2. Trac for discussions regarding additions and amendments to the requirements document

If there are no major objects to this suggestion by our next meeting, I’m going to move forward with it. We can always change our tools later if we find them no longer suited to our needs.

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