There are discussion meetings and office hours in #core-restapi at 2016-10-14 14:00UTC and 2016-10-14 19:00UTC on Friday the 14th. Our next team meeting is on 2016-10-17 14:00UTC. Please attend some of all of these, because
We are meeting at 2016-10-18 01:00 UTC to make a decision on this merge proposal!
To that end, the below discussion points will be updated regularly, please leave comments on this post or join the conversation in #core-restapi.
Yesterday at the dev chat the API Team proposed the Content API Endpoints for merge in WordPress 4.7. There was popular support for this feature but as @jorbin and @helen noted that the lack of dissent suggested additional review is needed, so the API Team is continuing to seek thorough review & constructive criticism of the content endpoints, including the open questions previously shared on the week 7 and week 8 API team updates.
The merge proposal also engendered follow-up discussion in the #core-restapi channel about the benefit content endpoints bring to core, whether having such endpoints built in is quantifiably more beneficial than having them as a plugin, whether moving development from a plugin to core would slow development, and whether the endpoints as-proposed have been sufficiently reviewed for security and performance. We attempt to capture those questions & concerns (and the perspectives on them) below.
Have the content API endpoints been thoroughly reviewed for security?
- The REST API plugin has been on HackerOne for over a year with paid bounties for bugs
@barry has begun a security review
How does the API measure up against alternatives? Are there concerns about how the API could impact the servers to which it is deployed?
- DeliciousBrains did a performance comparison with Admin AJAX and found the REST API to have a performance improvement (These tests have not yet been independently verified)
@mikeschroder notes in the comments that using the REST API in place of Admin-Ajax will also bring speed benefits by permitting many previously-uncacheable requests to be cached.
Are the content endpoints sufficiently well-tested & vetted by the community?
@matt questions whether feedback is coming too late in development for concerns to be acted upon
@rmccue notes that the v2 endpoints were created based on user feedback; REST API endpoints are being deployed by plugins and running on VIP, and the content endpoints have been in wide use across a variety of sites, leading to 90+ code contributors and far more developers’ support & feedback on the endpoints
@rmccue has also reached out to Phil Sturgeon for feedback and will follow up
Do Content Endpoints Benefit Core Development?
Will having these endpoints in core improve future core development, or solve any immediate problems?
@bradyvercher suggested that the content API endpoints would remove the need to write a variety of one-off ajax callbacks when developing future WordPress Core AJAX functionality
@westonruter notes that the customizer could dynamically create settings for posts and other kinds of content without having to wire up new admin-ajax handlers
Will Merging Negatively Impact API Development?
Will having to work through trac instead of GitHub cause development to atrophy?
@jjj argues that merging will slow development, because GitHub-hosted plugins are not bound to WordPress release cycles and have less overhead for features to be developed and deployed for testing. @jjj requested a plan for how the REST API will be developed going forward after the merge of these endpoints that would account for the added friction.
@krogsgard countered that core increases the visibility of a project like the content endpoints
The number of new contributors in this Slack discussion suggests that this merge proposal is bringing in new voices; whether this supports Brian’s point or not, the team is grateful for the breadth of perspectives being shared -Ed.
@rachelbaker suggested that the API endpoints are sufficiently inter-dependent with core WordPress code that maintaining the plugin separately amounts to maintaining a fork, and that such separated development is untenable long-term.
@matt hopes that a merge of these endpoints would slow release speed, but not development speed; @rmccue feels that development speed will stay the same or increase, and that tying releases to WordPress Core increases the stability and predictability of the API endpoints.
- The versioning of the API endpoints supports forward compatibility
Do Content Endpoints Belong on Every WordPress Site?
What are the pros and cons to having every WordPress site have content API endpoints?
@rmccue suggests the API has network effects that can only be realized with a large install base. @krogsgard draws a comparison to RSS, the widespread availability of which enables everything from podcasting from WP to the use of apps like Feedly.
@matt suggests that the Atom API is a better analogue than RSS, which is an independent and pre-existing standard, and that network effects could be tested through inclusion in Jetpack
@joostdevalk notes that many plugins, like Yoast, have data tied to existing content such as posts and pages; either they expose the content through their own endpoints, or core does. If Core exposes content types through the API then plugins may build on top of that shared foundation, not independently reinvent the wheel. “if this doesn’t end up in core, we’ll start rolling our own API for stuff. Others will too. Interoperability won’t be there, for even the most basic stuff. I think this isn’t like RSS, I think this is much more like all of us using the same table space in MySQL.”
@shelob9 and @masonjames agree that merging the endpoints would create a consistent and reliable open “standard” that WordPress developers can use instead of continually reinventing how to read and edit post data over HTTP.
- In response to the question “what prevents you from building on the endpoints in their plugin form,” @joostdevalk went on to note that plugin dependencies would make that a viable option, but that burden currently lies on the user. Plugin installation is not frictionless.
- Can these endpoints be bundled? short takeaway: no
- Woo bundled the API infrastructure before it was merged; doing so for content endpoints would require bundling prohibitively large amounts of endpoint code.
@nerrad worries that if plugins bundle different versions of the endpoints plugin, then those plugins may conflict if all bundled copies are not kept in sync.
@nerrad clarifies in the comments below that these worries also encompass the additional risk of conflicts when plugin authors each build their own versions of these content endpoints, instead of leveraging a shared standard: if two plugins each expose their own REST collection for posts, a developer working on a site with multiple such endpoints will need to decide which to extend, and will then have their extension tied to that specific plugin rather than to a core API.
@schrapel and @jorbin discussed that these content endpoints make it much easier to crawl a site, which also brings some potential performance concerns: no new content is exposed, but the process of aggregating it is easier and more easily automated.
- In the comments below @foliovision believes that merging the endpoints will be the best way to assert the level of back-compatibility that mid-size agencies need in order to confidently utilize the endpoints.
Please leave thoughts, questions, concerns, comments & experience in the comments below. Thank you!
Edited 2016-10-16 to include the below comments into the body of the post