Title: Post Meta Team Introductory Meeting Author: Eric Andrew Lewis Published: November 25, 2013 Last modified: February 25, 2014 --- [ ](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 2:08 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 Tags: [options-meta ( 33 )](https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/options-meta/) # Post Meta Team Introductory Meeting Hi folks! I’d like to introduce a new pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. team in its nascent stages: Post MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. (nickname TBD). We’ll be having our introductory meeting [ Tuesday, November 26, 2013, 22:00 UTC ](https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20131126T2200) in #wordpress-coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress.-plugins on freenode. Further meetings TBD. When I talk about Post Meta here, I’m talking about the Post Meta developer’s experience from the back-end – creating input elements for meta fields in a programatic method. There have been a slew of libraries/frameworks/plugins ([CMB](https://github.com/jaredatch/Custom-Metaboxes-and-Fields-for-WordPress), [SCB](https://github.com/scribu/wp-scb-framework), [WPAlchemy](https://github.com/farinspace/wpalchemy), [ACF](https://wordpress.org/plugins/advanced-custom-fields/), [Pods](https://wordpress.org/plugins/pods/)), which have filled this role for the moment. We’ll look to these as spiritual prequels to a new core-worthy plugin. Improving Post Meta support in this way connects to other parts of the adminadmin( and super admin) area codebase. After all, should there be that much diff in the code for a custom post meta box versus a custom settings page? For more on this topic, here is some suggested reading: [#18285: New Settings API and workflow](https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/18285), [#18179: WP_Meta_Box](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/25/post-meta-team-introductory-meeting/core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/18179?output_format=md). For our introductory meeting, let’s plan on talking at a high-level about the issues at hand, and what we might want from a new plugin. See you there! 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Looking forward to this one! 4. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/f4c1cf050bb276831865ee4c0f709ea28fb7252d660808f77caef49e2bd3eac7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 5. [Nick Haskins](https://profiles.wordpress.org/nphaskins/) 2:12 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 6. Nice! Yep definitely looking forward to this. I use CMB (actually I use teh fork by Human Made which is IMO a lot better with the added repeater fields, and columns) heavily and am happy to offer up some feedback here. 7. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2ce24492279223e09e666c760384573bc045d78af32a1459b8fcf341f7ab56a1? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 8. [Pär Thernström](https://profiles.wordpress.org/eskapism/) 2:26 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 9. Great news! The coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. is really missing that. 10. If you’re looking at the plugins mentioned for inspiration etc., please also look at some other like my own Simple Fields [https://wordpress.org/plugins/simple-fields/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/simple-fields/) and Magic Fields [http://magicfields.org/](http://magicfields.org/). They all feature they unique take on custom fields. Perhaps to best solution out there is a mix of all our plugins. 11. Anyway, I would love to drop support for my pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost- based plugin from a third-party. in favor of a core one. 12. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/f92bbd2f9abadf48ff7f73cb2ded95c96c707f4f23385263b6e025e65b51f65d? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 13. [Gizburdt](https://profiles.wordpress.org/gizburdt/) 2:32 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 14. Nice! I am the author of Cuztom ([https://github.com/Gizburdt/Wordpress-Cuztom-Helper](https://github.com/Gizburdt/Wordpress-Cuztom-Helper)), does the same thing. That’s why I’m really looking forward to helping with this pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party.. I think this belongs in coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress.. 15. Only thing is I can’t make it tomorrow night 🙁 Will read it back and attend the next meeting 🙂 16. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/42ddd19d7124c337af690ed7c5294a0a8eb80b5be4c88bc8b916f5c7d4f34880? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 17. [Kimb Jones](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mkjones/) 2:35 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 18. Wow, this is pretty epic 🙂 look forward to seeing what you come up with. 19. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/17cd48f96f61f199d7c27dcd0d7da1c59e6ededf62ee5c9b49c72034e0e72479? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 20. [krur](https://profiles.wordpress.org/krur/) 2:36 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 21. good! i just finished a week studying all these plugins (also the commercial WP-Types), and i settled with Pods .. anyway i feel that something has to be put straight into the CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress., to enable interoperability! 22. looking forward ciao! 23. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8bf1b76ed7d04e317104e86cf42459f68516f27dab1e54a5b8877092d758b722? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 24. [Matthew Haines-Young](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mattheu/) 2:37 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 25. I’m work on (the Human Made fork of CMB)[https://github.com/humanmade/Custom- Meta-Boxes] – and this sounds really interesting. I’ll try and make the meeting tomorrow. 26. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7494440b8266712d0056e4d6168491f9db747ab7588cd74f3057473b3201d559? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 27. [Scott Kingsley Clark](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sc0ttkclark/) 2:55 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 28. Count me in, finally a team I belong on! 🙂 29. Pods has been around for a long time, so I have a good head start with pain points and ideas for improvements. Can’t wait! 30. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/35e97a8a6a16cf83a8c3fe86cfb13429c092546ee7c1af870c707f55aaf62df4? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 31. [Manny Fleurmond](https://profiles.wordpress.org/funkatronic/) 3:18 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 32. Nice and finally. I contribute to Rilwis’s MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. Box pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress. org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. ([https://github.com/rilwis/meta-box](https://github.com/rilwis/meta-box)) and I really want to contribute to this project. Gonna try and make this tomorrow 33. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/19064ed4f839086c8fd557e5d00c62cdb52cdba868e6bf100a64d8a4f0974aed? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 34. [Mike Schinkel](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mikeschinkel/) 3:28 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 35. Please count me in too. I’ve been working on this type of functionality for client products for the past 3 years. 36. One thing I think it would be good to clarify is the target audience. Is this for end-users to be able to add fields to existing post types such as Advanced Custom Fields allows, or is this for developers to add fields to custom post types in plugins much like register_post_type() is how a plug can add custom post types to WordPress? I would vote for the latter and then later build the former on top because if you start with end-user functionality you are likely to make it much harder to support deployment needs of developers. 37. Case in point is post types vs. menus & menu items; it is really difficult to build and deployDeploy Launching code from a local development environment to the production web server, so that it's available to visitors. menus programmatically in WordPress but it is super easy to add (and deploy) custom post types. 38. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/66100363deaf502bcb6a7200150bf4f3405f16f76c250b814c7d31714c1ae125? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Amy Hendrix (sabreuse)](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sabreuse/) 3:34 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * Based on the discussions that have led up to this, the focus is on the developer/ backend experience first — however, it’s definitely a benefit that a more usable APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. for all of this stuff will make it about a $made-up- really-big-number times easier to build those end-user experiences on top of it. - ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/19064ed4f839086c8fd557e5d00c62cdb52cdba868e6bf100a64d8a4f0974aed? s=32&d=mm&r=g) - [Mike Schinkel](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mikeschinkel/) 3:40 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 - @sabreuse; thanks for the follow up. That’s good news. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7494440b8266712d0056e4d6168491f9db747ab7588cd74f3057473b3201d559? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Scott Kingsley Clark](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sc0ttkclark/) 5:32 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * I agree with your suggested approach, glad you’re going to participate! 39. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/c52f102503fc3985b453ad0dbe30c7381443299868b5050302132053829a753f? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 40. [mgibbs189](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mgibbs189/) 3:34 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 41. +1 Mike Schinkel – A solid codebase is much more important than the UIUI User interface itself. 42. This isn’t about just “Post MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress.”. Making things consistent across all object types (posts, users, comments, etc) will need to happen before we even begin to talk UI. 43. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/45ad1d9c0986bf96cb41c5241efd7b95db5fb50bf1ecb0ae8c5978087a36ad21? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 44. [netaustin](https://profiles.wordpress.org/netaustin/) 3:38 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 45. I plan to join this conversation. Our pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party., Fieldmanager (Fieldmanager.org) is built for very large WordPress sites, with terse invocation in mind, and uses a form builder idiom like Django’s, in a way. Fieldmanager is available on WordPress VIP sites, and in use on a number of them, including NYPost.com and KFF.org. It supports adding fields to users, terms, settings forms, and (in a fork) quick edit. 46. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/1eeac2d997396ca55beac8735691242194a9a05fa9e5631331531104c08d4341? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 47. [Creative Slice](https://profiles.wordpress.org/creativeslice/) 3:50 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 48. Count me in. We’ve done a ton of work with ACF along with Pods and it’s been a few years since we’ve built a site without any custom metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. fields. 49. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/c39ed3047e1c6b1b7a01743640a8851c32b5ca1420d7af112c720eccede719d4? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 50. [Jonathan Brinley](https://profiles.wordpress.org/jbrinley/) 3:53 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 51. I can’t make it to the meeting, so I want to voice a few thoughts here. 52. One of the key pieces of post metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress., settings pages, etc., is displaying, validating, and saving form fields. Right now, WordPress outputs form fields by doing things like: 53. echo ”; 54. Personally, I find this atrocious. We should have an APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. for building the form/element structure without worrying about the HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers. My own contribution to this is at [https://github.com/jbrinley/wp-forms](https://github.com/jbrinley/wp-forms). You can do things like: 55. echo WP_Form_Element::create(‘text’) ->set_name(‘my_field_name’) ->set_label( __(‘My Field Label’) ->set_description(‘This is where you put your first name’)- >set_default_value(get_post_meta($post_id, ‘_my_field’, true)); 56. Or you can structure elements into a form (or a partial form), which other plugins can hook into to modify the form before rendering. 57. I’d like to see a solution that could be used for both themeable front-end forms and for back-end forms, but for the purposes of the post meta team, a simpler back-end-only solution might be the place to start. 58. The other end of the process is validation and saving. I’d like to see a solution that avoids developers having to worry about adding nonces to every meta box and that avoids developers having to access $_POST directly. I.e., we can set up some callbacks that will be given the submitted data via an argument, and that can trust that WP has already verified the nonce from the submission. 59. Again, I did some work on this with WP Forms, but I’m not going to say that this is THE solution for WP. 60. And finally, can we have a way of aborting the save if fields don’t validate? I.e., a user clicks the Publish button on a post, and some meta fields have invalidinvalid A resolution on the bug tracker (and generally common in software development, sometimes also _notabug_) that indicates the ticket is not a bug, is a support request, or is generally invalid. values. Now we have a post that is published but has bad data. A developer can, of course, work around this, but it would be nice if WP handled a lot of that, taking the user back to the edit screen with invalid fields highlighted and nothing saved yet. 61. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/c39ed3047e1c6b1b7a01743640a8851c32b5ca1420d7af112c720eccede719d4? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Jonathan Brinley](https://profiles.wordpress.org/jbrinley/) 3:54 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * Argh. HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers. got stripped out. You get the point, though, with how WP mixes HTML strings with function calls when outputing form fields. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/92c9b71af01db9777d29870c622c80ef94d1344158eb2f5965f4bbe8efed251a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 11:05 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * I agree with a lot of what you bring up here – dynamic form field generation, built-in sanitization, validation, and saving all should be on the must-haves list. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/19064ed4f839086c8fd557e5d00c62cdb52cdba868e6bf100a64d8a4f0974aed? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Mike Schinkel](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mikeschinkel/) 11:46 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * I really hope we don’t end up encouraging method chaining like you are showing above. Method chaining is a PITA to debug and it adds procedural logic element to what should otherwise be declarative, IMO Defining fields and using fields should not require themer’s to learn OOP. * // In init hook in pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. register_form( ‘my_form’,‘ my_post_type’ ); add_field( ‘my_form’, ‘my_field_name’, array( ‘label’ => __( ‘My Field Label’ ), ‘description’ => __( ‘This is where you put your first name’ ), )); * // In theme template file * the_field( ‘my_field_name’, array( ‘default_value’ => get_field( ‘my_field’))); * We should definitely use OOP to implement this, but we should not require the existing themers to up their game significant just to be able to participate. * Also, separating definition from usage means we can cache the definitions to improve performance and it also means we could have a form of reflection allows us to write code that inspect the fields that have been defined. 62. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/c64b8f97639b146b3a504e7d2cb44a6d7296f3a607e767abe41fa2cbc50cadbc? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 63. [Pippin Williamson](https://profiles.wordpress.org/mordauk/) 3:53 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 64. Count me in! 65. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7fab7a27d6eb1e11d63e8a5963991d4adacce3ae704dc2fb7f53d97fad88edce? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 66. [George Stephanis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/georgestephanis/) 4:01 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 67. Just to get some musings out there for discussion in advance of the actual meeting… I think if this could possibly address parts of point #3 of [The Search Initiative](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/11/the-search-initiative/), it’d be super-awesome. 68. As far as actual structure (and I apologize if I’m getting ahead of myself here) I’d guess something like… 69. > Something built off `post_type_supports` where each post type has a list of‘ > registered’ metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a > group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like > WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. keys — that each can have a number of > properties, such as `protected_meta` (which would map to `is_protected_meta()`),` > index_for_search`, `input_type` (text, textarea, radio, select, number, email, > url, etc), and `input_options` (if the input type is radio or select or the > like). 70. This would be a huge win in extensibility, as the mobile apps and other external APIs could get more details on the data structures stored in postmeta, and even offer fields to let users set/update them in the mobile apps. 71. I see this as paving the cowpaths, and I totally look forward to what comes out of it. 72. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7fab7a27d6eb1e11d63e8a5963991d4adacce3ae704dc2fb7f53d97fad88edce? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [George Stephanis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/georgestephanis/) 4:07 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * Possibly even a `regex_validation` argument. - ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7494440b8266712d0056e4d6168491f9db747ab7588cd74f3057473b3201d559? s=32&d=mm&r=g) - [Scott Kingsley Clark](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sc0ttkclark/) 5: 31 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 - Getting excited just thinking about it, so much code that can be killed! Kill the code! * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7fab7a27d6eb1e11d63e8a5963991d4adacce3ae704dc2fb7f53d97fad88edce? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [George Stephanis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/georgestephanis/) 5:34 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * Execute changeset sixty-six… * ![](https://cloudup.com/cybq8AEuu3A+) 73. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/2f913d8c2a8f17030a4de932d3f52f81159548f5b05c1ce05ec1c14018cae86e? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 74. [AmirHelzer](https://profiles.wordpress.org/amirhelzer/) 4:26 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 75. I’m very interested too, from different perspectives. We want WPML to translate custom post fields (posts and user) and Types pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost- based plugin from a third-party. to manage them. 76. At the moment, we hook to the calls for updating fields and posts, to synchronize translations. We certainly are interested in a more complete APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. for describing fields, setting validation messages and the logic behind them. 77. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/9ce412845d9575430d33bc3185e7dc01f18186fa15e3462d94aa4ea55807e3ba? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 78. [iamronen](https://profiles.wordpress.org/iamronen/) 5:01 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 79. it would be great if these capabilitiescapability A **capability** is permission to perform one or more types of task. Checking if a user has a capability is performed by the `current_user_can` function. Each user of a WordPress site might have some permissions but not others, depending on their role. For example, users who have the Author role usually have permission to edit their own posts (the“ edit_posts” capability), but not permission to edit other users’ posts (the “ edit_others_posts” capability). could be generalized for creating not just back- end adminadmin (and super admin) interfaces but also front-end input interfaces( such as this very text box I am using to comment within P2P2 A [free theme for WordPress](http://p2theme.com/), known for front-end posting, used by WordPress for development updates and project management. See our [main development blog](https://make.wordpress.org/core/) and [other workgroup blogs](https://make.wordpress.org/).) 80. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/92c9b71af01db9777d29870c622c80ef94d1344158eb2f5965f4bbe8efed251a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 11:02 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * Indeed. While focusing on one area first (Post MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress.), we should keep these other related use-cases for creating reusable code in mind. 81. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/72b2e2a434e0d75e6ad6514ff418073933c098d3f2e73d634f2f6fe3269f1b77? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 82. [bradparbs](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bradparbs/) 5:11 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 83. Awesome – looking forward to this, it’s for sure needed! 84. Looks like some awesome people interested in working on it, too! 85. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a9fb3a587ad415a3a23d909a4c61ddc8b3b2644a19eb06e23d75d089cdfbb38a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 86. [Josh Eaton](https://profiles.wordpress.org/jjeaton/) 6:43 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 87. I’ll be there, definitely interested in helping out. 88. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/281ad84006d37f5b2af2689b1326fafdff3906c9e0f0a3b980800b2f49a8f05d? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 89. [Peter Baylies](https://profiles.wordpress.org/pbaylies/) 6:50 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 90. I’ll see you all there! I know I’ve reinvented the wheel here enough times myself, looking forward to seeing more of this in coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress., someday. 91. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 92. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 6:54 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 93. I’m very interested in this but otherwise engaged for the next week. 94. I’ve been working on a number of APIs which allow me to define different fields for (custom) post types – providing functions for input in forms (adminadmin ( and super admin) and front end UIUI User interface) and for display ( front end UI ). 95. My approach was to start with the APIs required to define and manipulate the fields. The APIs are documented at oik-plugins.com. Search for bw_register_field, bw_register_field_for_object_type. 96. Custom fields are all handled by the bw_effort_box and bw_effort_save_postdata APIs, which are provided in the oik base pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party.. 97. I’ve recently developed a simple admin UI to allow dynamic definition/modification of CPT’s, fields and taxonomies ( oik-types plugin ). 98. What most bothers me is the amount of processing that WordPress coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. and plugins perform which are often completely unnecessary. In my opinion any new APIs should be constructed to allow for deferred implementation of functionality. Only do something when absolutely necessary. 99. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/3f86435d12ea2f8555a6bb4e0503ab1c83183f94ece4b2bf4c7053bf3bb5f815? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 100. [Thorsten Ott](https://profiles.wordpress.org/tott/) 7:52 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 101. I’d happily take on some tasks on this one. So far my approach for this was ACF or [Easy Custom Fields](https://wordpress.org/plugins/easy-custom-fields/) but I also think this needs some CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. love. 102. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 103. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 9:24 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 104. I can’t attend but I’m very interested in this, having developed my own APIs for custom fields. 105. My approach has been simple APIs for registering fields with 3 basic attributes: name, type, label. Then each type would provide additional attributes, either during the registration or via filters. 106. For each field there is an APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. to display it in a form ( adminadmin( and super admin) or front-end ) and another to display it as output. Sanitization and validation starts with common sense but is also extensibleExtensible This is the ability to add additional functionality to the code. Plugins extend the WordPress core software.. 107. See the API documentation at oik-plugins.com: bw_register_field and bw_register_field_for_object_type for defining fields and their association with post types, and bw_effort_box and bw_effort save_postmeta for APIs to display and update fields in metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. boxes. 108. For an example field type see [http://www.oik-plugins.com/oik-plugins/oik-mshot/](http://www.oik-plugins.com/oik-plugins/oik-mshot/) this pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. uses the WordPress mshots capabilitycapability A **capability** is permission to perform one or more types of task. Checking if a user has a capability is performed by the `current_user_can` function. Each user of a WordPress site might have some permissions but not others, depending on their role. For example, users who have the Author role usually have permission to edit their own posts (the “edit_posts” capability), but not permission to edit other users’ posts (the “edit_others_posts” capability). to display a screenshot for any URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org – also implementing the “mshot” field type using the APIs of the oik-fields and oik base plugins. 109. My requirements for a new plugin would be 110. * to provide the above as a minimum, * to provide support for custom column display, sorting and filtering * support for other methods of display such as when being “printed” e.g a star rating field might be displayed using jQuery in the browser but need another format when output in an email. * to be extensible * allow interoperability between plugins * allow one plugin to alter / build on the behaviour of another 111. the API would need to be highly performant – only doing things when absolutely necessary. For example, l10nL10n Localization, or the act of translating code into one's own language. Also see [internationalization](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/25/post-meta-team-introductory-meeting/?output_format=md#i18n). Often written with an uppercase L so it is not confused with the capital letter i or the numeral 1. WordPress has a capable and dynamic group of polyglots who take WordPress to more than 70 different locales. would be deferred until the local language text string is actually required. Fields would only need to be“ defined” when actually referenced. 112. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 113. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 9:28 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 114. 3rd attempt to reply… sorry if it’s a duplicate 115. I can’t attend but I’m very interested in this, having developed my own APIs for custom fields. 116. My approach has been simple APIs for registering fields with 3 basic attributes: name, type, label. Then each type would provide additional attributes, either during the registration or via filters. 117. For each field there is an APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. to display it in a form ( adminadmin( and super admin) or front-end ) and another to display it as output. Sanitization and validation starts with common sense but is also extensibleExtensible This is the ability to add additional functionality to the code. Plugins extend the WordPress core software.. 118. See the API documentation at oik-plugins.com: bw_register_field and bw_register_field_for_object_type for defining fields and their association with post types, and bw_effort_box and bw_effort save_postmeta for APIs to display and update fields in metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. boxes. 119. For an example field type see [http://www.oik-plugins.com/oik-plugins/oik-mshot/](http://www.oik-plugins.com/oik-plugins/oik-mshot/) this pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. uses the WordPress mshots capabilitycapability A **capability** is permission to perform one or more types of task. Checking if a user has a capability is performed by the `current_user_can` function. Each user of a WordPress site might have some permissions but not others, depending on their role. For example, users who have the Author role usually have permission to edit their own posts (the “edit_posts” capability), but not permission to edit other users’ posts (the “edit_others_posts” capability). to display a screenshot for any URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org – also implementing the “mshot” field type using the APIs of the oik-fields and oik base plugins. 120. My requirements for a new plugin would be 121. * to provide the above as a minimum, * to provide support for custom column display, sorting and filtering * support for other methods of display such as when being “printed” e.g a star rating field might be displayed using jQuery in the browser but need another format when output in an email. * to be extensible * allow interoperability between plugins * allow one plugin to alter / build on the behaviour of another 122. the API would need to be highly performant – only doing things when absolutely necessary. For example, l10nL10n Localization, or the act of translating code into one's own language. Also see [internationalization](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/25/post-meta-team-introductory-meeting/?output_format=md#i18n). Often written with an uppercase L so it is not confused with the capital letter i or the numeral 1. WordPress has a capable and dynamic group of polyglots who take WordPress to more than 70 different locales. would be deferred until the local language text string is actually required. Fields would only need to be“ defined” when actually referenced. 123. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/65b82a247784315cf390b103cda93728e60646db73a404818b687cb395cff517? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 124. [camu](https://profiles.wordpress.org/coolmann/) 10:48 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 125. Why would the average Joe blogger need advanced custom fields? If WP is moving towards a more robust CMS-like environment, then comments should be turned into custom fields (repeater, in ACF) and treated like any other custom fieldCustom Field Custom Field, also referred to as post meta, is a feature in WordPress. It allows users to add additional information when writing a post, eg contributors’ names, auth. WordPress stores this information as metadata. Users can display this meta data by using template tags in their WordPress themes.… this would greatly clean up the code.. 126. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/e05110ddfc422ecfc3c68f61f2b08a404343ef8514fed12b460fc9c9aaa47d27? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Helen Hou-Sandi](https://profiles.wordpress.org/helen/) 10:59 pm _on_ November 25, 2013 * They probably wouldn’t. Developer APIs are also important, though. * Comments are separate tables – I don’t see why they should become metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress.. 127. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/31a35abe7d2a6367c383cf8bf3e019241d43f9f50219a5929323958be7cdd641? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 128. [Hugh](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sillinguist/) 12:48 am _on_ November 26, 2013 129. Someone might want to reach out to the folks from [https://wordpress.org/plugins/piklist/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/piklist/) they had some interesting applications related to workflow management. – That said this is really exciting – glad to see so much response in so little time. I use ACF/PODs. 130. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/cbec38cfcfaae5361d6c54ac9a013813b3938cde8dc9af29d6107ae282df0d6a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [sbruner](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sbruner/) 5:33 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Team Piklist is in! This is exact problem Piklist has solved. 131. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 132. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 2:52 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 133. wish I knew why my attempts to comment keep on being rejected. See also [http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/](http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/) 134. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 135. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 2:59 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 136. I wonder how many other people have tried to add comments to this post but have, like me, failed. What’s the secret to getting the comment to stick? 137. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/92c9b71af01db9777d29870c622c80ef94d1344158eb2f5965f4bbe8efed251a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 3:05 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * There are no comments awaiting moderation in the queue, and this comment of yours came through without needing approval (i.e. wasn’t caught by Akismet). If you encountered a bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. earlier posting a comment, please attempt to reproduce and then share the steps you took. - ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) - [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:19 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 - I believe that in each of my previous replies I may have pasted an URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org. I was trying to direct you to my own requirements – partially satisfied by my own code. If this comment works I’ll try pasting the link * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:20 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * [http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/](http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/) * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:21 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Pasting a link directly did not work. I’ll try HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers. [Requirements for Post Meta plugins”](http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/) * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:31 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Just pasting an URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org failed and it also failed if I used a proper anchor tagtag A directory in Subversion. WordPress uses tags to store a single snapshot of a version (3.6, 3.6.1, etc.), the common convention of tags in version control systems. (Not to be confused with post tags.). Was using Chrome, now trying a link from IE. [Requirements for Post Meta plugins](http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/) * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:33 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * No luck with pasting the link. It was to my latest blogblog (versus network, site) post, on oik-plugins.com, written 25 Nov 2013 – “Requirement for Post MetaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. plugins” * Can you check the comments that have been rejected by Akismet? * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8a651239f1933cf9d0f2d4446a1aceb514f229168b2987a5ca7038892c9a1fb7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [vsgloik](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vsgloik/) 3:44 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Three out of four of my comments, as bobbingwide, failed to get through. I have changed ids to vsgloik to see if this gets rejected as well. I am currently located in France, my base location is the UK. It’s failed each time I tried to include a link or straight URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org. But in the last attempt I just included a domain name and a hint of the link. My blogblog (versus network, site) post itself, which contains my requirements, did not get detected as a trackback/ pingbackPingback A pingback is a special type of comment that's created when you link to another blog post, as long as the other blog is set to accept pingbacks. Pingback allows you to notify other bloggers that you have linked to their article on your website. Although there are some minor technical differences, a trackback is basically the same thing as a pingback., * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8a651239f1933cf9d0f2d4446a1aceb514f229168b2987a5ca7038892c9a1fb7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [vsgloik](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vsgloik/) 3:50 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Three out of four of my comments, as bobbingwide, failed to get through. It’s failed each time I tried to include a link or straight URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org. But in the last attempt I just included a domain name and a hint of the link. My blogblog (versus network, site) post itself, which contains my requirements, did not get detected as a trackback/pingbackPingback A pingback is a special type of comment that's created when you link to another blog post, as long as the other blog is set to accept pingbacks. Pingback allows you to notify other bloggers that you have linked to their article on your website. Although there are some minor technical differences, a trackback is basically the same thing as a pingback.. * I have changed ids to vsgloik to see if this gets rejected as well. I am currently located in France, my base location is the UK. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/92c9b71af01db9777d29870c622c80ef94d1344158eb2f5965f4bbe8efed251a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 6:08 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 * Might as well just bring to the meeting today. See you there! 138. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 139. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 3:02 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 140. At last! I have documented my requirements at 141. [http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/](http://www.oik-plugins.com/2013/11/requirements-post-meta-plugins/) 142. the blogblog (versus network, site) post also contains links to my own APIs and plugins. 143. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/43a60f69cf6adfae2adbd9f77af7960b3d78adbe4167644cbb4f9c4d1682ac58? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 144. [Faison](https://profiles.wordpress.org/faison/) 3:08 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 145. I’m really excited for this! Being an avid user of ACF with Repeater Fields, I really look forward to the day when I don’t have to install ACF to rapidly prototype something for work! 146. I’ll see you all in IRCIRC Internet Relay Chat, a network where users can have conversations online. IRC channels are used widely by open source projects, and by WordPress. The primary WordPress channels are **[#wordpress](https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/wordpress/)** and **[#wordpress-dev](https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/wordpress-dev/)**, on irc.freenode.net.! 147. Thanks, Faison 148. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8a651239f1933cf9d0f2d4446a1aceb514f229168b2987a5ca7038892c9a1fb7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 149. [vsgloik](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vsgloik/) 4:04 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 150. I have documented my requirements for post metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. plugins on my website. Unfortunately, no matter which id I use to attempt to add a comment, most of them appear to be rejected… by Akismet? It could be because I’m currently working from my parent’s home in France, whereas I’m normally in the UK. Herb, aka, bobbingwide 151. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8a651239f1933cf9d0f2d4446a1aceb514f229168b2987a5ca7038892c9a1fb7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 152. [vsgloik](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vsgloik/) 4:37 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 153. Three out of four of my comments, as bobbingwide, failed to get through. I have changed ids to vsgloik to see if this gets rejected as well. I am currently located in France, my base location is the UK. It’s failed each time I tried to include a link or straight URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org. But in the last attempt I just included a domain name and a hint of the link. My blogblog (versus network, site) post itself, which contains my requirements, did not get detected as a trackback/pingbackPingback A pingback is a special type of comment that's created when you link to another blog post, as long as the other blog is set to accept pingbacks. Pingback allows you to notify other bloggers that you have linked to their article on your website. Although there are some minor technical differences, a trackback is basically the same thing as a pingback., 154. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8a651239f1933cf9d0f2d4446a1aceb514f229168b2987a5ca7038892c9a1fb7? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 155. [vsgloik](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vsgloik/) 5:20 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 156. Visit herbmiller dot me to find my short video entitled “H2GD Part 32: Battling Akismet on make.wordpress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. [https://wordpress.org/](https://wordpress.org/)” which also contains a link to my requirements for a post metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress. org Plugin Directory [https://wordpress.org/plugins/](https://wordpress.org/plugins/) or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. 157. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/a869215e03b0d91f251e31a5bb9836a7834335c8ca22f518f9af0ffefc32656f? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 158. [Kevin Miller](https://profiles.wordpress.org/p51labs/) 6:07 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 159. This base functionality is long over due in WordPress, thanks for starting this up. Having built this kind of thing in the past, the most important piece in my opinion is how the data is ultimately stored and retrieved. There isn’t much of a point of storing “most” metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. if it can’t be queried… 160. See you guys in IRCIRC Internet Relay Chat, a network where users can have conversations online. IRC channels are used widely by open source projects, and by WordPress. The primary WordPress channels are **[#wordpress](https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/wordpress/)** and **[#wordpress-dev](https://make.wordpress.org/core/tag/wordpress-dev/)**, on irc.freenode.net. later today! 161. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/1b0bb5ab4259f3034c9423d35887f02a858bc17975284a47112a18cf5d44bdb8? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 162. [Aaron Holbrook](https://profiles.wordpress.org/aaronholbrook/) 8:08 pm _on_ November 26, 2013 163. Definitely something I’ve been interested in seeing for a very very long time. Count me in! 164. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/82e095c8bc229017b128e53940ea534aa31f6624431bedee24c7e8756e42dd1c? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 165. [adamsilverstein](https://profiles.wordpress.org/adamsilverstein/) 3:10 am _on_ November 27, 2013 166. sorry to have missed today’s meeting, I will be there next week! 167. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/8f88913e701e7ab61a1fe6e929ca5265629d88ca4e51ccdbbba9b8caaefda9d2? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 168. [Vincent Mimoun-Prat](https://profiles.wordpress.org/vprat/) 10:12 am _on_ November 27, 2013 169. Hi, I won’t make it to the meeting but I was wondering if a developer knowledgeable in WP_Meta_Query (or its author) would be able to have a look at a possible optimisation that could be done there: [http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/124641/wordpress-core-optimizing-meta-query-generated-sql](http://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/124641/wordpress-core-optimizing-meta-query-generated-sql) 170. * ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/92c9b71af01db9777d29870c622c80ef94d1344158eb2f5965f4bbe8efed251a? s=32&d=mm&r=g) * [Eric Andrew Lewis](https://profiles.wordpress.org/ericlewis/) 1:02 pm _on_ November 27, 2013 * This is not the place to vet for a ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker., although I’m sure querying on metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. data will be a topic of discussion in some of the use cases being brought up. 171. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/7494440b8266712d0056e4d6168491f9db747ab7588cd74f3057473b3201d559? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 172. [Scott Kingsley Clark](https://profiles.wordpress.org/sc0ttkclark/) 11:03 am _on_ November 27, 2013 173. Doc of ongoing planning can be found here: 174. [https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z5pZH8Ay9GRWFH1mBxxrpsH433TEuV_CZuVcop7Bzno/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z5pZH8Ay9GRWFH1mBxxrpsH433TEuV_CZuVcop7Bzno/edit) 175. ![](https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/5d463ba83bece0ef7b185cc1c7e3621d6e81aea976011c1aff292d299573f5da? s=32&d=mm&r=g) 176. [bobbingwide](https://profiles.wordpress.org/bobbingwide/) 6:29 pm _on_ December 10, 2013 177. That’s interesting… all the comments that I thought had gone into the bit bucket( created by bobbingwide and vsgloik) appear to have appeared. So where before I thought Akismet was treating me as a spammer, from the number of off topic comments I’ve added to this post it really looks like I am a spammer. Comments are closed. # Post navigation [← Finding and Fixing JavaScript errors with JSHint](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/13/finding-fixing-javascript-errors-with-jshint/) [Post Meta Team Nov 26 Meeting Recap →](https://make.wordpress.org/core/2013/11/27/post-meta-team-nov-26-meeting-recap/)