Corey McKrill 1:56 am on July 21, 2017

Recap: CampTix payment gateways for Indian currency

Hello everyone,

Thanks for participating in the long, spirited discussion about which payment gateways to use for Indian currency on WordCamp.org. Since I started this hot topic, I will try to recap and suggest a path forward.

It is evident from many comments that KDC Pay does in fact work well for lots of people/WordCamps. Many thanks to @vachan for doing a great service to the Indian WP community by enabling organizer teams to receive registration funds without having to register business entities.
It also seems that it would be unsustainable to continue relying on only one payment gateway run by a small team as the Indian WP community continues to grow.
There are, of course, benefits and drawbacks to each alternative, and each WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. organizing team has different styles and preferences, such that there isn’t a good way to pick a single option to move forward with.

Building on the suggestions of many others in the discussion, here is a solution I would like to propose:

Keep the existing KDC Pay pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party for the time being.
Instead of adding separate plugins for Razorpay and Instamojo, create a single plugin to support multiple gateways/platforms that can be enhanced and expanded in the future. @sanyog has already started one that might serve this purpose. It would be great to figure out how to incorporate @ravinderk‘s contributions as well. I would suggest a platform-neutral name for the plugin, such as “INR Currency for CampTix”.
Maintain the plugin in a GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ repo with multiple contributors. Perhaps house the repo in a GitHub organization for the whole community, rather than in someone’s personal/business account. This way everyone’s contributions can be recognized and the maintenance/enhancement of the plugin can be community-driven.

It’s true that there’s not a big difference in the maintenance burden between three small, single-gateway plugins and one large plugin with multiple gateways. However, my hope is that after the initial code review, the community would be able to help with testing/reviewing updates before we apply them on WordCamp.org. This would hopefully help reduce the necessary time commitment for those of us maintaining the network.

I think we should all acknowledge that no matter what decision is ultimately made, some people are probably not going to be satisfied. In a situation like this, the concept of “agree and commit, disagree and commit” can help us move forward in a healthy way. What that means is that regardless of whether we agree with the decision or not, we commit to supporting it for the good of the project, rather than continuing to argue.

To move forward on the above proposed solution, I think the next steps would be:

Create a GitHub organization or at least a repo to house the plugin, and open it to contributions from community members. How can this be done in a way that is fair to everyone?
Collaborate on a version of the plugin that supports both of the options we have been discussing: Razorpay and Instamojo.
Submit this new plugin to the WordPress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/ plugin directory.
Get the plugin reviewed for inclusion on WordCamp.org.

Thanks again for all the input.

Vachan Kudmule 2:02 am on July 21, 2017

Thank you for the great summary.

A community based single platform on an open repo with multiple contributors has been initiated on https://github.com/wcmumbai/camptix-indian-payments
Ravinder Kumar 2:46 am on July 21, 2017

@coreymckrill @vachan great solution. But it should be under general GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ organization where all Indian organizers and contributors will get access.

So I am suggesting to put all community work here: https://github.com/WordPressIndiaCommunity/
- Ravinder Kumar 2:46 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @vachan I already sent you invite 🙂
- Ravinder Kumar 2:54 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @codexdemon Can you provide us the solution with you created after merging two plugins.
  
  We will test it together and email me your GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ profile ID. I will give you git access.
- Alexander Gounder 3:04 am on July 21, 2017
  
  BTW WCMumbai was a githubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ organization created for WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Mumbai
  - Ravinder Kumar 3:17 am on July 21, 2017
    
    @gounder I know that 🙂
    
    Thank why I suggest it put under general GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ organization which represents whole India not any single state like Pune, Udaipur, Kanpur etc.
    - Alexander Gounder 3:40 am on July 21, 2017
      
      We already had https://github.com/wpindiaorg/ and Vachan even created the above-mentioned project there as well. I asked him to not use wpindiaorg and use wcmumbai because WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Mumbai is an entity and wpindiaorg isn’t one.
      
      I see this going into yet another debate can we all agree to pick one and move with that.
      - Ravinder Kumar 3:44 am on July 21, 2017
        
        https://github.com/wpindiaorg/
        
        @gounder I did not know that we have that one and yes, this looks good to me.
        
        Can you send me access invitation for that?
Sanyog Shelar 3:27 am on July 21, 2017

Hello @coreymckrill

It’s good to here we are merging all into one platform.

As of now I have merge only instamojo and Razorpay

I have requested @Vachan on slackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. but he denide to add KDCpay to add.

So we are merging only this two INR Currency for CampTix platform.

There are many links is created now and I have created as suggested by @coreymckrill

Will post all files by today afternoon and add all contributor to this repository who want to contribute for this
https://github.com/sanyogs/INR-Currency-for-CampTix

Sanyog
- Vachan Kudmule 3:33 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @codexdemon The request was before any decision was pending. So did not want to take a stand untill there was a solution, else it would have been a waste of resource for both of us.
  
  Now that a common call has been taken, I have no issue about the same.
  
  Anyways the code is open-source on the WP.org pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party repository.
  
  Further another concern that comes up is, with a few weeks KDCpay will also be supporting LKR (to help out the WC CMB Team). @coreymckrill how do we handle that?
  
  In that case KDCpay may have to still be a standalone plugin?
- Alexander Gounder 3:43 am on July 21, 2017
  
  As suggested in the blogpost, let’s have this under a community owned organization rather than that of a company/individual.
Vachan Kudmule 3:33 am on July 21, 2017

@codexdemon The request was before any decision was pending. So did not want to take a stand untill there was a solution, else it would have been a waste of resource for both of us.

Now that a common call has been taken, I have no issue about the same.

Anyways the code is open-source on the WP.org pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party repository.

Further another concern that comes up is, with a few weeks KDCpay will also be supporting LKR (to help out the WC CMB Team). @coreymckrill how do we handle that?

In that case KDCpay may have to still be a standalone plugin?
Vachan Kudmule 3:49 am on July 21, 2017

@coreymckrill @saurabhshukla @gounder
Why are my comments (this time without links and just to @ mentions) are pending review?
- Alexander Gounder 3:52 am on July 21, 2017
  
  Approved them, a few comments had gone into spam.
- Sanyog Shelar 6:04 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @vachan I guess this WordPress engine while posting unknown URLURL A specific web address of a website or web page on the Internet, such as a website’s URL www.wordpress.org it just keep for Pending Approval, Where IF URL is previosuly posted and approved then it automatically approved the comment.
Alexander Gounder 4:09 am on July 21, 2017

@coreymckrill I think we have all agreed to the project being here – https://github.com/wpindiaorg/camptix-indian-payments/

@vachan @ravinderk @codexdemon @ajitbohra & @rahul286 are already added.
- Ravinder Kumar 4:10 am on July 21, 2017
  
  Agreed 🙂
- jaymanpandya 6:38 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @gounder : i would be happy to help with the UIUI UI is an acronym for User Interface - the layout of the page the user interacts with. Think ‘how are they doing that’ and less about what they are doing. requirements of the pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party. Let me know if I am required.
- Corey McKrill 8:37 pm on July 21, 2017
  
  Awesome!
Sanyog Shelar 8:03 am on July 21, 2017

@coreymckrill
I have push the original files which initited development for multiple gateway into single solution camptix-indian-payment-gateway

As well as push all development files further development to add contrubituion everyone who want to make this pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party more better
https://github.com/wpindiaorg/camptix-indian-payments

@vachan if you want me to work on KDCPay to integrate on this, please suggest so i can start working on it.

@ravinderk, @ajitbora, @vachan and @rahul286 please do testing at your levels if anything i have miss in it.
- Sanyog Shelar 8:03 am on July 21, 2017
  
  @ajitbohra correcting username recommented
Saurabh Shukla 8:45 am on July 21, 2017
Just checking a thought. What @rahul286 says here https://make.wordpress.org/community/2017/07/17/camptix-payment-gateways-for-indian-currency/#comment-23987 makes a lot of technical sense.

If you create a REST APIREST API The REST API is an acronym for the RESTful Application Program Interface (API) that uses HTTP requests to GET, PUT, POST and DELETE data. It is how the front end of an application (think “phone app” or “website”) can communicate with the data store (think “database” or “file system”) https://developer.wordpress.org/rest-api/. pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party for Camptix and expose all the features like checkouts, coupon creation, etc, it won’t really matter what payment gateway would you like to use.

If a WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. organiser wants to integrate a new payment gateway, they could just host it on any site they like (for instance KDCPay) or even integrate a platform like Instamojo (or any newer ones).

This way, the maintenance load for the Foundation would be limited to one plugin. Other plugins/solutions that integrate with this APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. can be maintained by anyone interested, in any manner that they like.

I feel creating a mega plugin that integrates multiple payment gateways is a large project and I have doubts on whether
- it can be sustained over a long period of time
- in a sane manner
- without avoiding frequent arguments and difference in opinion
I’m not questioning anyone’s commitment but if not planned, managed or supported well, this will not change anything in the content, tone and the nature of discussion in the previous post: https://make.wordpress.org/community/2017/07/17/camptix-payment-gateways-for-indian-currency/

I’m not sure if many people would be able to understand how expensive the workload is going to be on this one, in the same way that @rahul286 and I understand from years of maintaining similar sized projects.

I’m assuming that the Foundation is not going to be able to register for a merchant account with any Indian Payment Gateway for the foreseeable future.
- Corey McKrill 8:58 pm on July 21, 2017
  
  @saurabhshukla thanks for your comments here and in the other post.
  
  Re: REST APIREST API The REST API is an acronym for the RESTful Application Program Interface (API) that uses HTTP requests to GET, PUT, POST and DELETE data. It is how the front end of an application (think “phone app” or “website”) can communicate with the data store (think “database” or “file system”) https://developer.wordpress.org/rest-api/., that does sound like it could be an elegant solution. I think that developing the endpoints and app authorization systems would be a large undertaking, though, and not a high priority right now for the WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. network as a whole. At that point, it might be better to consider switching to a different system altogether for ticket sales, such as WooCommerce (an idea that has been suggested already).
  
  Re: ‘mega’ pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party maintenance, I share some of your concerns, however, I think this is a good way to capitalize on the work that people have already done for Razorpay and Instamojo and also create more opportunities for collaboration within the community.
  
  I’m assuming that the Foundation is not going to be able to register for a merchant account with any Indian Payment Gateway for the foreseeable future.
  
  I think you are probably correct.
  - Saurabh Shukla 3:32 am on July 25, 2017
    
    @coreymckrill I agree with everything you and the others have said before but considering the kind of talent and passions available for such an endeavour, I thought I’d check if they’d rather tackle a REST APIREST API The REST API is an acronym for the RESTful Application Program Interface (API) that uses HTTP requests to GET, PUT, POST and DELETE data. It is how the front end of an application (think “phone app” or “website”) can communicate with the data store (think “database” or “file system”) https://developer.wordpress.org/rest-api/., which is a more elegant solution. 😉
    
    At that point, it might be better to consider switching to a different system altogether for ticket sales, such as WooCommerce (an idea that has been suggested already).
    
    WooCommerce does make way more sense because almost all Indian payment gateways for WooCommerce are built and maintained by the Payment Gateway itself. That’d take a huge burden off maintenance. It’ll have a REST API, by default.
    
    Any reason why that’s not the option that we’re discussing right now instead of in the future? I feel that it’d be way easier to integrate WooCommerce with CampTix than anything else we’ve discussed till now.
    
    @rahul286 @ravinderk @vachan @codexdemon @ajitbohra what do you think?
Saurabh Shukla 9:13 am on July 21, 2017
To expand a little further, the user flow would be something like this:
- WC administrator activates REST APIREST API The REST API is an acronym for the RESTful Application Program Interface (API) that uses HTTP requests to GET, PUT, POST and DELETE data. It is how the front end of an application (think “phone app” or “website”) can communicate with the data store (think “database” or “file system”) https://developer.wordpress.org/rest-api/. for tickets on a screen.
- On the same screen, you can register applications that interface with Camptix’s data (attendees, tickets, etc, button and link targets, etc)
- You’d authorise the App like you authorize third party apps into Facebook or Twitter.
- Then the app can potentially collect the payments, collect and post attendee data, sync Coupon Codes, mark attendance, send SMSes, emails, etc.
What Central should also do is approve any payment gateway pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party that has some direct involvement and technical support from the organisation behind the payment gateway. This way, you could offload some quality assurance & maintenance load to the payment gateway, itself.

So, @codexdemon should involve someone from Instamojo. I think @ajitbohra has worked with them before. He could get this done for you.

@ravinderk already has access to @captn3m0.

Both this plugins, under such conditions can be activated and so can KDCPay because @vachan also satisfies the criteria.

@coreymckrill this way you could also be stricter in the rules for deactivating and not allowing new plugins. For example, say KDCPay faces any issues, you could straightaway deactivate it because you know that @vachan is committed to the plugin and will fix it pronto. Similarly, if RazorPay misbehaves, you could deactivate it and @ravinderk with @captn3m0‘s help will be able to take responsibility and fix it quickly. Same with @codexdemon and Instamojo.

Obviously, plugins with a healthy development history and active installs can & should be considered, as well.

Just a thought. Felt I should elaborate and see if it makes any sense.
- Saurabh Shukla 9:15 am on July 21, 2017
  
  You could directly get the starter code for oAuth & such from WooCommerce.
Sanyog Shelar 8:01 am on July 25, 2017

Hello @coreymckrill

As per your suggestion making community account @gounder has done on githubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/
https://github.com/wpindiaorg/camptix-indian-payments/

PluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party is live on WordPress.orgWordPress.org The community site where WordPress code is created and shared by the users. This is where you can download the source code for WordPress core, plugins and themes as well as the central location for community conversations and organization. https://wordpress.org/
https://wordpress.org/plugins/campt-indian-payment-gateway/

So please review and lets us when it will be live for WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. Sites.
- Vachan Kudmule 8:18 am on July 25, 2017
  
  @sanyog Please note that we must put it on the repository via a community account, such as from wpindia
  
  Please let us all working on the projects’ Contributor page test the pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party before we push it on the network.
Sanyog Shelar 8:30 am on July 25, 2017

@vachan pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party was approved 7 days back before this multiple gateway disscussion start. so base on that i have suggested for multiple gateway in single plugin
Corey McKrill 5:16 pm on February 7, 2018

Just to close the loopLoop The Loop is PHP code used by WordPress to display posts. Using The Loop, WordPress processes each post to be displayed on the current page, and formats it according to how it matches specified criteria within The Loop tags. Any HTML or PHP code in the Loop will be processed on each post. https://codex.wordpress.org/The_Loop. on this, the plugin is now installed and available on the WordCamp.org network.

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