Birgit Olzem 3:25 pm on November 27, 2014
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Notes from the Polyglots meetings Nov 26th & Nov 27th

Here you´ll find the notes from the last #polyglots weekly chat meeting

Agenda

Agenda for the Polyglots chats Nov 26/27 by @petya and @coachbirgit

SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/. Chat Archive

Nov, 25th – Wednesday @ 11:00 UTC – for Europe, South America, Africa and West Asia
Nov, 26th – Thursday @ 02:00 UTC – for Asia, Australia & New Zealand

Disussed topics

What happened last week?

We had some trouble with the 4.0.1 because of a series of bugs in GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. due some temporary changes in the database. It was fixed very fast, thanks to all, who was involved.

Info: Only the 4.x (dev) branch was affected. You don´t need to rerelease older versions/tags

Reminder: If your language is missing stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings., please rebuild and rerelease. This will make sure the users who update from now on will get the proper translation files.

Current stats

37 localesLocale Locale = language version, often a combination of a language code and a region code, for instance es_MX denotes Spanish as it’s used in Mexico. A list of all locales supported by WordPress in https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/teams/ up-to-date
18 locales behind by one minor version
4 locales behind by one major version
15 locales behind by two or more major versions.
- @markoheijnen will start displaying the percentage and changelog soon too and will flush stats values before every weekly meeting, to be up-to-date with correct data.
Some locales that are up to date with incomplete packages (Admin’s not at 100%)
Happiness: We have two brand new locales (Oriya and Lingala) and the Translators/Validators for Thai(@kazama), Tagalog (@krzheiyah) and Lao(@douantavanh) are now attended at our weekly meetings, this is great, because Asia was underrepresented in the past. Many thanks to @shinichin and @mayuko for knitting the connection

Recap technical lead chat meeting

We had a chat meeting for people, who wants to volunteer as a technical lead.

In the past, there were the people, who handled all technical stuff around #polyglots, overwhelmed with work. It is a volunteer work – everyone has a real life! So we don´t want to get people burnt out.

The stuff is now distributed on more shoulders. For the technical part we have a lot of people who stepped up to help: @japh, @ocean90, @miyauchi, @eathanasiadis, @sergeybiryukov, @netweb and @CoachBirgit

Many thanks for your attendance!

Next steps for the technical crew:

hanging out on the P2p2 "p2" is the name of the theme that blogs at make.wordpress.org use (and o2 is the accompanying plugin). When asked to post something "on the p2" by a member of the Polyglots team, that usually means you're asked to post on the team blog https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/. and on Slack more,
technical list with all the responsibilities documented, @petya is working on that
partnering up technical leads with community leads so they can work together in their region

Next week’s Polyglots chats on Slack in the #Polyglots channel:

Dec 3d, Wednesdays at 11:00 UTC and Dec 4th, Thursdays at 2:00 UTC.

Sidenote: We wish our american friends great Thanksgiving holidays!

#weekly-meeting-notes

Mattias Tengblad 7:49 am on November 28, 2014

“Importing translations into GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. is only recommended, if your localeLocale Locale = language version, often a combination of a language code and a region code, for instance es_MX denotes Spanish as it’s used in Mexico. A list of all locales supported by WordPress in https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/teams/ is very new. Otherwise use only GlotPress for translations to avoid overwriting existing translations. Note: you need to check if the pot revision you used to translate it needs to match glotpress”

Any other technical reasons for this suggestion (thinking of the recent problems)? As long as it takes forever to get new projects and updated stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. it’s hard to take this in to consideration. For now it feels like using SVNSVN Apache Subversion (often abbreviated SVN, after its command name svn) is a software versioning and revision control system. Software developers use Subversion to maintain current and historical versions of files such as source code, web pages, and documentation. Its goal is to be a mostly compatible successor to the widely used Concurrent Versions System (CVS). WordPress core and the wordpress.org released code are all centrally managed through SVN. https://subversion.apache.org/. is the way to go.
- pavelevap 2:28 pm on November 28, 2014
  
  I agree, I am using Poedit and testing the whole localizationLocalization Localization (sometimes shortened to "l10n") is the process of adapting a product or service to a particular language, culture, and desired local "look-and-feel." on my localhost and in the end I only import translated stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. (after checking suggested strings). GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. is sometimes slow, does not have translation memory and it is not possible to test it online in WordPress. The only advantage is collaboration, but due to lack of missing context for many strings, suggested strings by users are usually not very helpfull.
  - Marko Heijnen 12:24 pm on November 29, 2014
    
    But in your case, you ignore a lot of translators that want to help you out (a lot of waiting stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings.) and it seems in general you do it yourself. Also you still have a lot of fuzzy strings to look at.
    
    I agree GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. can be faster but not having translation memory is an excuse since this would only help when strings are changing. Also I’m currently working on a pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party that would allow you to test the strings directly.
    - pavelevap 3:20 pm on November 29, 2014
      
      Yes, but these waiting stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. are not usually correct, because of wrong context. Users try to translate some strings in GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. and do not know that some strings are for screen readers and others for buttons, some strings are verbs and others are nouns, etc. I try to check all waiting strings and not ignore suggestions. I also approve correct translations, you can see that our language has several users from GlotPress on Credits page. But before approving some stringString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. I want to see it in context in WordPress, because it can usually means anything. Fuzzy strings are only not completed translations from Poedit memory (I do not like that they are imported).
      
      Translation memory is nice feature also when translating new theme (2015), etc. Also when there is only small change in any string (one word), Poedit shows me previous translation (and GlotPress only shows new empty string). I was looking forward to Glossary, but in its current state it is useless (many per project Glossaries). Maybe there were some updates, I am not sure, I did not test this feature during last weeks.
      - Marko Heijnen 4:15 pm on November 29, 2014
        
        I would say that you should also decline translations. In the next month(s), we will have decline with feedback which should help you educate translators. But if stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. are already approved then it doesn’t make sense to also have waiting translations for them.
        
        If I’m correct, the moment we add Twenty Fifteen we already include strings from previous themes. Glossary is a localeLocale Locale = language version, often a combination of a language code and a region code, for instance es_MX denotes Spanish as it’s used in Mexico. A list of all locales supported by WordPress in https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/teams/ thing which is currently still per project but will soon also be for it sub projects. Unsure what your expectation are for it but would love to hear them.
pavelevap 6:36 pm on November 29, 2014

Sure, but some waiting stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. are wrong and I did not have time to make better translation or correct and test them (so they are not rejected for now). And it is not possible to approve them, because users could be annoyed by mistakes. I would really appreciate feedback for rejected translations (and also for waiting strings to enable users to improve it), simply rejecting suggestions is bad for users.

There are some waiting and fuzzy strings, but our localeLocale Locale = language version, often a combination of a language code and a region code, for instance es_MX denotes Spanish as it’s used in Mexico. A list of all locales supported by WordPress in https://make.wordpress.org/polyglots/teams/ is almost complete and average user will not see any English strings in WordPress. Translation was tested on live site, proofreaded and it works very well, I guess.

I am not sure about Twenty Fifteen and even if automatically imported, they should be only fuzzy, because there were some minor changes (for example stringString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. from Twenty Fourteen was used in archive name and now it will be in screen reader text, etc). I will not be available during next release, so I am preparing translation now and GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. is not helpfull, even if only a week until release. So, I have to use Poedit and why waiting for GlotPress and use it later? Sorry, I also do not believe GlotPress, because there are strange things (for example one string less in admin) and nobody cares.

Glossary per project is useless, I guess. I will not copy and import terms into several projects, but I will simply use TM in Poedit. One Glossay for the whole WP coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. would be helpfull as some kind of help for users who want to help with localizationLocalization Localization (sometimes shortened to "l10n") is the process of adapting a product or service to a particular language, culture, and desired local "look-and-feel.". This base Glossary would be also fine for plugins and themes, where users would see that “Post” is usually translated as something, etc.
- Marko Heijnen 9:51 pm on November 29, 2014
  
  People do care but you can’t expect answers in a few days, also we have lives. Also the one stringString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. of is not to blame on GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. but most likely how we imported it. Reason why glossary is not final done is because a lot of use cases like the ones you named.
  
  Also translation should be done collaborative and if you don’t have the time, see if you can make someone else a validatorValidator See translation editor.. The same goes about how you use the glossary, only you know about it. And if you think glossary per project is useless, then you should have said so months ago. Most likely we would already have implemented a fix for it.
  - pavelevap 12:53 am on November 30, 2014
    
    Yes, but this one missing stringString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. is only the last from many other problems with GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. (not to mention 4.0.1). I know that people have lives (me too) and I do not expect that it will be repaired immediatelly. It is only one example why I do not trust it.
    
    But problems with active projects only several days before release are very common (as Mattias noted above). Features are ready during betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. period, but About page has to be committed only some days before release. Why? Twenty Fifteen is ready for several weeks, but stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. are not in GlotPress yet. Why? I will not wait and I will use Poedit, sorry.
    
    I am looking for good validators, but I did not find yet. Not only for WordPress, but especially for other projects (there are many waitings strings). Some users wanted to try it, but after some weeks they become silent.
    
    As regards Glossary, I said so many months ago, for example here: https://glotpress.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/97#comment:66. Glossary per project is useless, because when something changes, I will have to edit many different glossaries. I am using tools which are good for my needs and save much time. I wrote 2 years ago that we need to test translated strings online, comments for rejected translations and glossary. Now we have only some kind of Glossary, which is limited per project.
    
    I am not motivated to use GlotPress which has its own problems. I understand that it is against collaboration, but there are not many usefull strings suggested, so it is not a big deal. But upcoming WP 4.1 will be maybe my last version as a validatorValidator See translation editor., I am not sure yet. I hope I meet you in Prague next year, I was one of organizers of latest WordCampWordCamp WordCamps are casual, locally-organized conferences covering everything related to WordPress. They're one of the places where the WordPress community comes together to teach one another what they’ve learned throughout the year and share the joy. Learn more. 🙂
    - Marko Heijnen 11:22 pm on November 30, 2014
      
      haha, I can’t wait to meet you in Prague next year. I’m sure we will have some nice discussions. Also I hope I can convince you to stay with us (if needed) ;).
      
      After your comment for glossaries we did started writing code. A master glossary will probably not be possible for a while due to the fact that GlotPressGlotPress GlotPress is the translation management software that powers Translate.WordPress.org. More information is available at glotpress.org. doesn’t have global validators yet but I’m sure we will have inheritance soon.
      
      The only thing I want to correct here is the fact that translate.wordpress.orgtranslate.wordpress.org The platform for contributing to the translation of WordPress core, themes and plugins. has it’s issues but not GlotPress only shortcomings 😉 Because I totally agree with you that Twenty Fifteen should already be here. Also the last releases I was also irritated that things got done to late.
      
      The problems with GlotPress as a tool will soon be over. Glossary will be more meaningful soon and also I’m currently working on decline with feedback. Unsure what you mean with “translated stringsString A string is a translatable part of the software. A translation consists of a multitude of localized strings. online” but if we see each other in Prague then I would love to hear how we can arrange that.

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