Localized polyglots P2
Hello there.
Zé gave me the idea and I have been thinking in have a localized P2 to the translation community in Spanish. I have tried to create it with the most logical name, but i had this message:
The address es_es.wordpress.com is reserved and cannot be registered.
Do you think it will be a good idea to ask for this locale references to work with translation communities? I mean:
- en_US.wordpress.com
- es_ES.wordpress.com
- pt_BR.wordpress.com
- and so on…
Zé 3:47 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
That message is wrong, actually. It should be “Only lowercase letters and numbers allowed”, as on first signup (I’ll relay it to the devs). I’m no apologist of standardizing such blog names on .com for the obvious reasons that the names might already exist and .com doesn’t allow recycling/reassigning them.
I’m also not sure if it’s necessary to have the blog live on .com. Our own (pt_PT) is a network site of the main site, self-installed. That said, everyone is free to do it, of course. Just choose your own name. Whichever solution is centrally implemented (if it is at all) in the future is safe, with the export/import tools, anyway.
What we could debate with @nacin is the possibility of having the option to have a p2 dependent on the main xx.wordpress.org install. Maybe.
Other opinions?
Rafael Poveda - RaveN 3:55 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
I agree with that the possibility to have a p2 in the main xx.wordpress.org will be good. For newer localizations without much experience or resources, or for communities with translators without tech skill, it can be very useful.
Andrew Nacin 5:49 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
I don’t have a problem adding a network of P2s for translation teams.
Zé 6:03 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
Tied in some way to the xx.wordpress.org sites? (trying to preempt management headaches here
)
Daniel Koskinen 6:10 am on July 19, 2011 Permalink |
This would be a very good idea.
Zé 3:49 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
Also, the concept of en_US made me smile
Rafael Poveda - RaveN 3:50 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
Mark Thomas Gazel 6:35 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
I like the idea. I am working on something P2 driven on the danish site which I would simply call a teamblog. Wouldn’t team-locale e.g. team-da_DK.wordpress.org or team-pt_BR.wordpress.org work?
But I’m still a little hesitant towards using P2 for the team. As have been noticed in this P2-blog here, there are some disadvantages. Threads get lost or forgotten quickly and don’t get brought up to front when they get new comments.
So I’m also thinking about bbPress and making a Team Forum instead. Especially when bbPress as a plugin merges better with the websites theme. It will get mixed up in the rest of the (support)forums and won’t be a small closed group (or feel like it), but as Zé has pointed out you will be able to mark threads as [Resolved] and you can revive old threads and such.
There is pro and cons for both scenarios. P2 is great for quick, shortlived, in the moment communication while bbPress is better for longer in debt discussions and have some tools for working with threads and topics.
Zé 6:46 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
team-da_DK.wordpress.org seems awfully convoluted… maybe da_DK.wordpress.org/team?
If I’m reading your comment correctly, you’d advocate both a P2 *and* a forum? As in a forum separate from the main locale forum? Not sure I like the idea.
As to
don’t underestimate @nacin‘s skills of beating a P2 into submission. Enough said
Mark Thomas Gazel 7:48 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
No, I meant that both P2 and a forum had advantages, but I wouldn’t use both at the same time. Just that it’s hard to decide which would work best.
Actually you only need the da-prefix as in da.wordpress.org
I’m sure @nacin is very focused at making P2 suit our needs.
Andrew Nacin 12:28 am on July 16, 2011 Permalink |
Zé was hinting at a plugin already written. Stay tuned
Rafael Poveda - RaveN 6:47 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
I think sticky posts can easily resolve this problem
Mark Thomas Gazel 7:48 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
You got a point there.
Mattias Tengblad 12:19 am on July 16, 2011 Permalink |
Disagree. Not optimal at all.
Rafael Poveda - RaveN 8:25 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
O_o my e-mail comments notifications are now in… any other language I don’t know?
Zé 10:13 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
You’re holding it wrong
Mattias Tengblad 11:03 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
Isn’t this making things even more complicated then it needs to be? Why not just create one install with bbPress as suggested earlier (http://wppolyglots.wordpress.com/2011/05/30/is-it-just-me-or-is-this-solution/ and http://wppolyglots.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/i-am-getting-a-bit-concerned-about-how/)? In other words create a bbPress install on .org for polyglots and in this install create team specific sub-forums.
Zé 11:21 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
The discussion is not about all polyglots per se, but rather about the discussion within each language.
Mattias Tengblad 11:27 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
I get that, still doesn’t see the point. We already got the ability to create local forums, why create yet an other platform? If the point is to organize the individual teams then I stand by my earlier words. To split things up even more is just a bad idea.
Zé 11:24 pm on July 15, 2011 Permalink |
Ok, reread and noticed the sub-forums point. Forum vs P2 is the whole point of this discussion, yes.
Rafael Poveda - RaveN 12:47 pm on July 17, 2011 Permalink |
Here goes my opinion. My problem with sub-forums is that they don’t have a good notifications system (e-mail, jabber…), a very useful thing. With P2 we have a real-time-like system.
Maybe real-time is not neccessary, but it’s very useful when more than 2 people are working in a release.