Meetups, Meetups, Meetups!
In this issue: current state of meetup.com program, plan for meetup.com program starting now, and Aaron Jorbin.
Current State of Meetup.com Program
We invited about 50 meetups that were already using meetup.com (who had said they were interested in joining the central account paid by the Foundation) to join the program. About 20 accepted and completed the transfer. A handful changed their minds and decided to wait and see how it turned out before joining, and the rest seem to have not received the email from meetup.com with the link to complete the transfer. Those groups are now being contacted again one by one to get them settled.
The initial contract has space for more groups, so new groups and/or groups that haven’t been using meetup.com can get set up now on the central account. Every three months we’ll re-up the contract, and at that point can change the number of groups we pay for, and can roll in another set of existing groups. Rolling in existing groups is limited to being done when we re-do the contract every three months.
As of right now, we’re not doing anything with these meetups other than paying the dues. I intentionally tried to start the program with non-controversial groups that wouldn’t have complicated needs (taking $ via meetup.com, organizers not willing to allow other community members to hold additional meetups within the group, organizers clearly violating the WP trademark or using the group as a business rather than a true community endeavor, etc.). As we get a team of volunteers working on building out the meetups program, we’ll gradually deal with the more complicated issues. For now, meetups are running just like they always have, but we’re paying the hosting/dues.
Plan for Meetup.com Program Starting Now
So many things we could do. So many things I’ve wanted to do. So many other things competing for time and resources. Harumph to time not being more wibbly-wobbly! Here’s what I’ve been planning:
- Survey the meetups that have been rolled in so far to find out what expenses they have with the group. Use this info to put together some budget projections around providing additional meetup support.
- Buy and send out things to groups that need it, like projectors and video cameras.
- Create new meetup starter packs with things like flyers, table signs, buttons/stickers, a tshirt for the new organizer to wear to the first meetups, sign in sheets, etc.
- Collect stats on all wp meetup groups on meetup.com and assess the number of people attending meetups in ratio to total number of members. In many cities, there are hundreds of members, but only a dozen or so going to meetups.
- Begin the sea change of how we think of meetup groups. Right now for the majority of groups, it’s one organizer who owns a group, and they are the event planner, period. The model we want to move toward is for “the group” to be the members, not something that is owned by anyone. In this new model, anyone can plan an event or event series, so where there might have been 3 different meetup groups in a town before (split based on dev/blogger/business, downtown/suburb/outskirts, a few organizers who just don’t want to work together or share, whatever), there would now be one group, and within each group there would be multiple meetups per month to address the varied needs of the membership. This model makes it easiest for members to keep up with all the WordPress activity in their town, and encourages collaboration rather than competition.
- Start a monthly email to groups with a topic for which we have some content they can use. This might be a recording from a WordCamp, it might be a core developer offering to talk to meetup groups via hangout or such, it might be a slide deck or demo site that a member of the local group could use to give a presentation on their own… there are so many possibilities. By helping suggest/provide content (not that they’d be required to use it if they have other stuff to do), we can keep the momentum going in meetups all over the world.
- Trainings! In a combined effort between the Support and Community teams, we’ll be rolling out a variety of trainings. As we get these curriculums finalized and tested during the pilot program, we’ll make them available online, and will support meetup groups running “official” trainings using the approved curriculums. This is really exciting, especially as we can use it to bring professional WP education to a more diverse group people (like women, people of different races, lower-income kids, etc). This is one of those things that will cross multiple groups: Support will work on curriculum/content, Events will help with logistical support as the program grows, and Community will run the pilot program, do the outreach to get partners involved, and publicize it. The very first training will be in DC, hopefully the first weekend of March. Keep an eye on the community site if you’re interested or want to get involved.
- Events page on wordpress.org site. Otto will be working soon on pulling in the meetup.com data (they have a nice API) for the groups on our account (another reason for people to join) as well as WordCamp listings to display on a new page we’ll be making. This will help drive traffic to our events. If there’s a designer interested in helping with that page’s layout/styling, ping me.
- Start getting meetup organizers to use their group tools to confirm who actually showed to each meetup event, so we can gather better stats on community participation.
- And so much more, but my fingers are getting tired!
Aaron Jorbin
This is why it’s okay for me to stop typing. As of this week, Aaron Jorbin will be taking point on the meetups program. YAY, AARON!! Everyone give him a hand! I mean that both ways — applause and help.
I’ll be orienting him this week with the meetup.com stuff, some infrastructure around meetups and correspondence, and doing a general braindump. Then it will be up to Aaron to collect an appropriate group of volunteers to help him oversee the meetups program. I would like this group to include a variety of backgrounds — existing meetup.com users, people using Facebook or self-hosted sites (maybe with BuddyPress), US people, non-US people, you name it — so that we don’t develop any policies that favor a specific group’s habits.
Aaron and this group will make recommendations for any policies we need to develop around meetups, organizers, finances, etc. in accordance with the guidelines for team reps taking action (some things they can just do, some things they’ll bring to the other Team Reps and Matt for feedback before making a decision, and some things they’ll need to get permission to do).
Aaron is co-organizer of the popular DC WordPress meetup, and has also lived in a city with a less active meetup, so he has a great background for helping get meetups in gear. He will also be acting as the local facilitator for the first pilot training in DC, so he’ll be able to guide others doing this in the future.
Congrats to Aaron on the new responsibility, I can’t wait to see how it goes!
Meetups News | Jen Mylo, WordPress Cat Herder 7:40 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
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Mario Peshev 7:49 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
All good news. Progress makes it so much better, with so much ongoing agenda already and so much more to come.
Andy M. 8:30 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
I’m happy to see more support coming to the WordPress Meetup groups, but I’m curious about accountability. If Meetup events are completely open (“anyone can plan an event or event series”), how do you handle distribution of equipment and supplies? There’s a “roster” of sorts for WordCamp organizers. How do you do this if anyone can create an event? And what about folks who create events purely to pitch their product or business? Lots of questions yet to be answered.
I’m excited, of course.
Jen Mylo 8:53 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
There are some basic yes/no guidelines for meetups to be on the central account. Aaron and his group can refine these further, but the ones I outlined in the emails to the groups invited to join the account in the first round were:
So anyone could propose an event, but promotion to organizer status would require a track record of at least 3 successful events (or whatever bar Aaron decides to set). Someone who tries to use the WordPress name for their own benefit rather than the community’s will get a talking to, and could eventually be removed from the group if they don’t follow the community standards.
As for equipment/supplies, each group is just one city. People should be able to coordinate handoffs if needed, or in some cases they might all use the same venue and leave stuff there. Not all events need the same things: a presentation meetup needs a projector, but a ‘workalong,’ where everyone just brings their laptop and works on projects with some casual conversation, doesn’t. We’ll work with each group to make sure things are fair.
andymci 3:23 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
Awesome. Thanks for clarifying, Jane. I’m all for putting more control in the hands of the masses. It’s one of the reasons we’re doing a roadmap event for our user meetup next weekend. You have my support.
Jon Brown 8:51 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
Personally, I haven’t seen the ugly or competitive splitting of group (not that I deny it exists).
I think merging groups can be problematic though. It should be encouraged when sensible, but there are plenty of scenarios where it doesn’t make sense and it’s not because of organizer/ownership reasons.
I watched in the Orange County as that meetup group grew from one monthly meetup to two semi-monthly (1 dev/ 1 user). I then watch it spawn others in OC (Suzette’s WP Web Designer meetup) and outside OC (Pasadena, Topanga and the one I founded on Maui).
Playing devils advocate there are a lot of people who only have interest in one of the several local meetups and don’t want the additional noise generated by the other meetup cluttering their inboxes. There are folks confused every month by OCWP user and dev meetup not understanding the difference and coming to the wrong one. It’d be different if meetup.com supported sub-groups, didn’t last time I looked.
I think the term meetup group ownership needs to be better defined. It almost sounds pejorative as Jen uses it even though I’m sure it isn’t. Nothing stops anyone right now from starting a 2nd meetup.com account in the same region as an existing group, including starting a 2nd group that immediate joined up under the .org umbrella.
I think most group founders are very protective of their groups because they don’t want anything to cause the group to suffocate and die. Every few months someone wants me to split our meetup in two (user/dev). I have to explain to the one other advanced user/developer that attends our meetup of 20-30 monthly novices and 2 devs that #1I’m not willing to organize two meetups a month but they’re welcome to and #2 If there were two meetups the dev meetup would just be her and I anyway so lets just get coffee together.
The biggest challenge I have is that most of my meetup attendees (almost all novices) really want a class where they learn and don’t participate. Each month I, a developer, struggle to come up with user focused content to share and they all grown if I show them code. Personally, I’d love to run out meetup barcamp style, but in 12 months I’ve managed to get 3 attendees (with much begin on my part) to open up and share something that they know. It’s slowly improving though, yay!
“Trainings” sounds awesome. My meetup co-organizers and I every few months begrudgingly organize and teach a 3 class series (user/admin/dev 3 hours each). Unlike our meetup we do charge for those classes but honestly none of us do it for the money. We keep that classes cheap, donate/pay a lot of it to our host facility. We really do it just because everyone asks for it and no one else does it.
Andy M. 3:23 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
I see two sides of the coin when it comes to centralized meetups:
On one hand, by formalizing Meetups under a central authority, it sticks with the Foundation’s mission to control use of the WordPress brand. (Basically the same thing that happened with WordCamps.) It’s a boon to users as well, since it lets anyone step up to organize an event, and it makes it easy for new folks to find WordPress groups that might interest them. It also enables continuity should any organizers decide to take a break or step down from their duties.
On the other hand, there are nuances to each community that a central organizing body might overlook or misunderstand. Taking our southern Ontario, Canada situation for example… Mississauga and Toronto are in the same region, but they are different cities. Mashing the two under a single “Toronto” banner wouldn’t work.
In any case, I support the idea of putting more control in the hands of the masses. Anyone with an interest in running an event should have the freedom to come forward and give it a try.
Dustin Filippini 8:43 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
I’m interest to see how this pans out. I am initially kind of worried like Andy about the “open” concept. We try to keep the Milwaukee group open to any suggestion, but there is a small group of us who are the main planners. I like the Trainings idea, as we have a LOT of people asking for that kind of stuff and just not enough time to put in the effort to make a lesson plan. If you want another test bed for training, we would be willing to try it. Our venue already partners with a lot of organizations that reach out to low-income and minority people.
Jen Mylo 9:02 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
You won’t be the only group that feels protective of its membership/brand. All I can say there is that the WordPress brand isn’t owned by any organizer, and we have to trust that we can do what’s necessary to prevent the bad apples from messing things up for the majority who have good intentions. I’m already working with 3 cities that have conflicts (not from rolling in with us, they are pre-existing), and there’s no way to get around it — it’s sticky. But if we all focus on the end goal, of a group being able to have events that serve all the members rather than a small percentage, I think we can do something really great by working together.
Side note: I’ll definitely get in touch when we’re ready to add more training events!
David Bisset 8:54 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
Sounds interesting. Would love to be involved somehow.
Our meetup groups (2) were actually thinking of switching from meetup to our own self hosted WP/BuddyPress theme. Guess who’s coding that.
. Would be interested in showing it privately as its pretty far along. In any case, we would be a possible unique case.
As long as we have the option to use what we wish – meet up or otherwise, I fully support this and excited to see where it goes.
Jen Mylo 9:04 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
The reason for doing meetup.com is to increase exposure to people who don’t come through wordpress.org, so even groups that have a fancy self-hosted site (like WordPress NYC, which has a big BuddyPress install) would still get a meetup.com group to pull in new members. Cross-posting events is easy enough, and then they’d get pulled onto wordpress.org/events from the meetup.com API.
David Bisset 9:21 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
That sounds like the best of both worlds then, especially in our situation. Would love to help as an example for those with their own sites.
Jon Brown 8:36 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
I’d love to see that too. One thing we talked about in Orange County and we’ve talked about in Maui is why we don’t use Meetup.com OR WordPress (BuddyPress or P2) for a meetup discussions. In both cases we use a FaceBook group and in both cases the reasons are the same:
1) Meetup.com’s discussion boards were awful (they’ve gotten a little better)
2) The users are already on FaceBook so that’s where the engagement happens.
Still I’d love to see some examples of integrating Meetup.com & BuddyPress or P2.
Maybe there could be an analog to the WordCamp base theme that was a “WordPress Meetup” base theme? Note I think a meetup base theme would be WAY more work (BuddyPress? P2? Tying to Meetup’s API? I thought someone was working on authenticating users thought Meetup (need to google that).
David Bisset 6:25 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
Jon, I have a WP theme (for meetups) that’s about 80% complete and some of it’s features are truly unique (compared with meetup.com). Built on BuddyPress. No meetup API though, hence i’m interested to see how we can do this. I’m going to look into the APIs casually, and as things move along maybe i can further insight and assistance.
Deborah Edwards-Onoro 9:49 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
Not sure if we were contacted, but our Metro Detroit WordPress group is already on Meetup.com. How can we give feedback or be in the group to be transferred over? Not sure if messages were only sent to main organizer of the group, or all co-organizers.
Jen Mylo 10:38 pm on January 19, 2013 Permalink |
The first round of invites was based on responses to the survey we did in 2012, and TJ said he didn’t want to roll in, so your group didn’t get an invite (like I said, I went with people who actually wanted to be included for the first round).
I’ve since heard from a few groups where the organizer said no but a bunch of members wanted to (hoping to extend the activity of the group). I think what makes sense for the next round in those cases would be to post to the meetup groups and ask the members to weigh in, so that they can have a voice in the decision. Worst case, if membership wanted to be official and an organizer refused, the membership could start a new group and elect new organizers.
The problem with the way meetups are now is that the ‘ownership’ concept means there’s not really any vote-based or performance-based leadership — it’s just based on who owns the account and if they decided to appoint anyone else — which is what I keep hearing as a factor in meetups with 500+ members but meetup events that only hold 20 people who are interested in the same things as the organizer. That’s not true for all, of course, but is does seem to be a trend.
I’m sure Aaron would welcome your feedback as he ramps up, and will post about ways to get involved moving forward.
Deborah Edwards-Onoro 12:10 am on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
Jen,
Thanks for your quick reply Jen. I will follow up with TJ. I thought I had replied to the survey as well. TJ has not been as actively involved with the group lately. I’m one of the other two co-organizers for the group, and we are very interested in being involved.
Jen Mylo 12:54 am on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
I can look into it and follow up with you offline, but since TJ as the lead organizer owns the account currently, he’s the one who would need to sign off on the move (as Aaron Jorbin can attest, since even though he’s a co-organizer they wouldn’t let him okay the move, it has to be @nacin).
Deborah Edwards-Onoro 12:54 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
Hey Jen,
Thanks for the follow up. Yes, I’d like to follow up offline. I’ve emailed TJ, and he agreed to be considered in the next round. What do we need to do to make that happen?
Deborah Edwards-Onoro 12:55 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink
Oops, just realized I’ve been addressing my messages to you incorrectly. Sorry, Jane.
Deborah Edwards-Onoro 9:54 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
@Jen @Aaron TJ has turned over lead organizer to me on the Meetup account for Metro Detroit WordPress. How do we get invited for the next round?
Prasath Nadarajah 4:13 am on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
We are interested in starting a WordPress Meetup group in Colombo, Sri Lanka. We dont have a meetup.com account yet. How can we join the central account?
Jen Mylo 7:03 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
Aaron will be putting up an application form soon. We’ll announce it here, on the events blog, and on wordpress.org’s main blog.
jdorner 2:53 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
I’m the ‘organizer’ of a meetup group http://www.meetup.com/Asheville-Area-WordPress-Group/ and would like to get more information about how to join. We started in May, 2012.
This sounds awesome!!! I believe we can meet all of your criteria.
tubiz 6:32 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
@jane still expecting your reply to the mail I sent. Would like to start a WordPress Meetup group in Lagos, Nigeria. I filled the survey back then and didn’t get a reply . Hope we can added under WordPress Central Meetup account. Thanks
Jon Brown 8:30 pm on January 20, 2013 Permalink |
@Jen – It’s great to see this starting to take a more defined shape. I’m sure like many other meetup organizers I figure we’ll eventually move our meetup (Maui) under the .org umbrella, I just wanted to see a little firmer definition of what that actually meant.
Personally I’m more concerned about what happens 6 months down the road if the .org rules get more strict and/or change (a la WordCamps). Our meetup is currently free to attend because we have a great meeting space donated to us, but if that goes away and/or if we want to take up a collection for food, I’m worried about having the flexibility to adapt to things like that.
@Aaron – Awesome to see you step into this. I’m sure the meetup group politics will look not to unlike what you see outside your window everyday (that was just a joke).
Aaron Jorbin 5:25 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
Jon – One thing I hope is for groups that are currently successful (like it sounds like Maui is) to be sharing what helps make them successful so that other groups can learn from them. While it’s too early for me to say what any guidelines are going to be, I would imagine that the guidelines would most likely come from these best practices.
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Chris Lema 6:00 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
Sign me up for being involved somehow. I’ve just taken over the downtown San Diego meetup and moved it north a bit. We have our first re-launched meeting tomorrow.
Aaron Jorbin 6:11 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
To give everyone a loose timeline for how things will proceed. Over the next about two weeks I’m going to be getting up to speed with Jen on how things have gone so far and what is currently being planned. Think of it as my orientation time. In early February there will be a call for volunteers on this blog for people wishing to get involved in this and the other Make WordPress Events teams. I’m loving the responses so far and look forward to working with many of you.
Aaron Jorbin 10:31 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
Rather then wait until February, The call for volunteers is live now. http://make.wordpress.org/events/2013/01/22/call-for-volunteers-meetups/
Phil Erb 6:32 pm on January 21, 2013 Permalink |
@Jen and @Aaron – A cohort and I are working to start a meeting in northeastern Pennslyvania. We started a meetup.com account a couple of months ago (http://www.meetup.com/nepawp/) and are very close (probably today) to firming up our first date/location. We would love to get in on the Central account, whenever you are open to adding more.
Xavier Borderie 9:08 am on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
Hello everyone!
The Paris WordCamp was last weekend, and we’re getting hints of people wanting to start doing regular meetups again in Paris, and in other French towns too. Whether the Paris meetup is organized by us (WPFR) or someone else is irrelevant, it’s just good to see the enthusiasm of participants!
I know that a Paris Dev meetup exists (www.meetup.com/Wordpress-Developers-Paris/), but there hasn’t been much activity since its first run in September. I’ll let that be, and simply ask if you could set us up on a regular meetup (we’ll start with casual drinks, and work up from there).
Cheers!
(Jane & al.: please note my @wordpress-fr.net e-mail does not work currently)
Corrinda Campbell 5:46 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
@Aaron Thank you for volunteering your time to coordinate efforts around creating effective meetups. As the lead organizer of the Denver WP Meetup and an experienced event planner (outside of WP or meetup.com) I am happy to contribute to that effort. We have three groups here in the general Denver area based on location. In addition to Denver there are also groups in Ft. Collins and Boulder and the lead organizers are all in contact with each other. Please let me know the best way to get in touch and how I can help.
Corrinda
Kathy Drewien 6:26 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
I seem to be among “the rest seem to have not received the email from meetup.com with the link to complete the transfer” group. Yet it’s quite possible I’m of feeble mind and short memory… In any event, I’m still interested.
Jen Mylo 7:04 pm on January 22, 2013 Permalink |
What meetup group?
Kelly 3:18 pm on March 10, 2013 Permalink |
I’m helping start a new meetup in Destin, Florida and would like to be a part of the central meetup.com group! How can we get our name on a list? http://www.meetup.com/Fort-Walton-Beach-WordPress-Meetup/
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Jake 10:29 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink |
Does anyone know the wordpress meetup group around the Portland area? If there even is one? We are working on an amazing membership plugin for wordpress and would love to talk to other wordpress users about it. Thanks!