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  • Jen Mylo 4:40 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    Anyone with a meetup group on meetup.com that wants to move onto the central account can put in a request at http://make.wordpress.org/community/meetup-interest-form/ I’ll do a batch transfer next week.

    Will be going with the basic guidelines Aaron and the group discussed at http://make.wordpress.org/events/2013/03/09/proposed-meetup-guidlines/

     
    • designsimply 4:51 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thank you!

    • tonyzeoli 4:57 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I would improve that form by allowing multiple URLs as well as adding another option to the drop down menu “I already run a WordPress Meetup and it’s going well” or something like that.

    • Scott Offord 5:03 pm on October 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      From time to time (a few times a year) I’ve put on paid events in my meetup.com account. I find it nice to be able to charge a fee for an additional training class from time to time and to be able to pocket the proceeds. I’ve been paying for my meetup.com account for many years and I’m worried about losing the freedom of being about to put on For-Profit events.

      I’ve been directly responsible for building my WordPress meetup from 35 members to 400+ over the years and I felt somewhat of a right to put on paid events with in the meetup.com framework.

      The for-profit events I put on only cost $25/person and I only allow 10 people max per event. There are two free meetups or more every month on a usual month that I help plan as well. The paid events take place at the coworking space I own/operate. I don’t currently charge a room rental fee or a projector rental fee, so, I guess I’m just wondering… will the WP community hate me if I put on the occasional for-profit meetup?

      Should I just keep my WP meetup.com account separate from the WP-corporate account, or should I not?

      Scott

    • Jon Brown 11:18 pm on November 12, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I put in a request the day this posted. Still haven’t heard anything back?

    • Jon Brown 9:46 am on November 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Has anyone heard anything back on this? Really want to get our meetup moved under the foundations umbrella account…

  • Andrea Middleton 4:02 pm on October 18, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    I just posted Licking the WordCamp Cookie over on the community group site.

    If you have not already subscribed to http://make.wordpress.org/community/, I highly suggest it. :)

     
  • Andrea Middleton 4:41 pm on September 13, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    Merging with the Community group 

    This is it! The majority of commenters agreed, so we’re merging with make.wordpress.org/community. The site redirect and migration will be handled by the Meta team – hopefully this weekend – but in the meantime, if you want to follow the happenings in the WordPress events community, subscribe to http://make.wordpress.org/community/

     
  • Andrea Middleton 10:48 pm on August 30, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    WordCamp Central now has a team of volunteers responding to WordCamp applications! Thank you so much to the following community members for their valuable time:

    • Naoko Takano reviews Asia/Pacific applications
    • Heather Acton reviews North American applications
    • Scott Basgaard and Remkus DeVries review European applications

    The goal is to have a team of several people in each major geographical region who can vet and respond to new organizer applications by the end of the year.

     
  • Andrea Middleton 5:12 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    Organizing a non-WordCamp 

    This year has seen two past WordCamp organizers decide to organize an independent WordPress conference in their city instead of doing another WordCamp. This is a bummer, since we hate to lose experienced organizers who have a passion for WordPress, but diversity and experimentation make the ecosystem stronger, so it’s kind of exciting at the same time. That said, some boundaries have already become a bit blurry in these situations and we need to reduce confusion for local communities and attendees, so let’s decide on best practices for how to make the transition from being an official WordCamp organizer to running an event that’s not officially affiliated with the WordPress project so that everyone’s clear on what’s appropriate. When we’ve got some agreement here, I’ll add a page to plan.wordcamp.org with this information.

    Please read this draft of a plan.wordcamp.org entry and share your thoughts.

    Change makes life interesting, and just as we encourage each local community to continually mentor and develop new leaders, sometimes leaders move on to new projects — in this case, organizing new WordPress-focused events.  It’s fun to experiment with other kinds of events, and certainly WordCamp is not the only kind of WordPress conference in the world. More WordPress events is better for WordPress, so everyone wins. And even if you move on to an independent event as your main focus, you are still welcome to participate in WordCamp as well!

    Before blazing a new trail, it’s worth checking with WordCamp Central to see if the event type you want to run could take place under the official banner — new event types are encouraged — so you can keep the benefits associated with being an official WordPress event. But if you’ve been involved in past WordCamps and decide to organize a different kind of WordPress event on your own — specifically, one that is not officially associated with the WordPress open source project — it’s important to make the decision to leave the WordCamp program understanding a few key things.

    1. Sooner or later, there will be another WordCamp in your city. 
      Don’t want to organize another WordCamp? We’ll be sad to see you go, but we want WordCamps to continue. WordCamp Central will post a call for new organizers, and it’s likely that someone else in the local community will be interested in organizing a WordCamp. Would-be organizers can apply to WordCamp Central and, if approved, will get the support we provide to all WordCamp organizers. We believe that multiple events can peacefully co-exist and create a more vibrant community, and it’s expected that any past WordCamp organizers will be supportive of new organizers rather than competitive or adversarial.
    2. WordCamp resources are for WordCamp organizers.
      Social media accounts, attendee and sponsor registration and contact information, etc, are resources built and gathered for the sole purpose of running a WordCamp. As a past organizer, you probably contributed a lot to build/gather those resources, but the work on WordCamp Anytown is tied to future WordCamps in Anytown, and shouldn’t be appropriated by past organizers for their personal pursuits. To put it in specific terms, if you take the attendee mailing list and send them all messages for your new event, then it breaks the privacy policy of WordPress.org sites that states we will never rent, sell, or otherwise give away their information, or use it for any purpose other than that for which it was collected (in other words, WordCamp communication).
    3. WordCamp statistics and history don’t apply to your new event.
      Your new event, because it’s new, doesn’t have a “last year.” It’s accurate to say “Last year, WordCamp Anytown had 750 attendees, so we expect WPEvent to have about 1,000″ but not “WPEvent expects about 1,000 attendees this year, since we sold out last year at 750,” or “WPEvent is typically attended by web savvy people between 18-65 with an annual household income of 38-150k per year,” since there’s no “typical” for your new event yet. It’s important to be clear about this so that people don’t think WordCamp is being replaced rather than a new event being created.
    4. Respect the WordPress trademarks.
      When you were organizing an official event, the WordPress and WordCamp trademarks (including the WordPress logo) were available to use and WordCamp Central kept an eye on things to make sure there were no issues with how those trademarks were used. As an unaffiliated event. you’ll be responsible for making sure that if you use one of these trademarks it is within the scope of the WordPress Foundation Trademark Policy.
    5. You can submit your video content to WordPress.tv.
      We will not provide the recording equipment as we do with WordCamps, but sharing the content created at your new event can still take place on the official channel if you like, as long as it meets the submission guidelines.
    6. You’re welcome to participate in future WordCamps.
      Don’t worry about being “blackballed” — we hope not to lose your WordCamp experience and insight even if you are running your own, separate event. As long as you’re still cool with the guidelines and active in your local community, you’re welcome to participate in an official capacity at WordCamp under the next generation’s leadership, or even to organize a WordCamp again.
     
    • Valerio Souza 5:20 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

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    • Wolly 5:31 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I’m very sorry to read this. When you lose someone that for a long time has invested time and money to let know WordCamp in his country you should analize and understand what’s happened and try to get them back but point 1,2,3,4 look like threat. We are going on with ours events with a lot of people attending WITHOUT using any WordPress and WordCamp trademarks. As I mailed you, it looks like that you are trying to create a lot of very small local community trying to cut off old communities. Sorry for mine write english. my 2 cents.

      • Jen Mylo 5:54 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Hi Wolly. There’s no threat here. We just need to establish a policy that makes it easy for people to organize both official and non-official WordPress events without confusion, and to make sure that we are consistent with the wordpress.org privacy policy in how we handle WordCamp stuff so we don’t get into any muddy waters at some point in the future because we didn’t take the time to think about these issues before.

        I don’t know the story with your event/community — I can honestly say it wasn’t part of the conversation in creating this page — but the goal of having a page like this on the plan site is so that WC organizers thinking about moving on understand the policies we’re governed by, can plan appropriately, and will let us know when they’re planning to branch off. Which makes me realize we should add another point to the list: “Please inform WordCamp Central if you plan to organize a non-official WP event instead of another WordCamp.” :)

    • Chris Lema 6:46 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This is a really classy and effective approach. I really appreciate not only the tone but the clear articulation of how folks should move forward. It doesn’t read as a threat to me at all. Instead, I think it makes some things (like when/how to use email lists) very clear. That’s needed, as these things spin up, because simple mistakes could create not only confusion but animosity. Thanks for writing this up. I look forward to additional evolutions of this post.

    • Ben Lobaugh (blobaugh) 6:53 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Thanks for posting this Andrea. It is a clear, thought out approach that helps non-WordCamp conferences out quite a bit. Props!

    • Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture) 7:01 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think all of the above are more than fair.

      The WPF provides a lot of things, including 1) reach in the community 2) opportunity 3) tools for making a WordCamp successful. And I had always assumed it was common knowledge that any information gathered through those channels are for use only in the context of organizing a WordCamp.

      So in reference to point #2 above, you can imagine my surprise when I received an email a while back about a non-WordCamp event that was sent to an email address provided to a specific WordCamp (not naming names here).

      I hope these points can make it a little clearer to non-WordCamp event organizers that you can’t have it both ways — either be willing to adhere to the WPF guidelines and get access to the tools and information, or don’t and don’t.

    • Michael Torbert 7:33 pm on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I have to say I’m in agreement with this post. As someone who’s attended many (I’ve lost count) WordCamps, and as a 4th year organizer, I can understand reservations people may have about the issue. I initially resisted the increased involvement by the foundation, and more than once came very close to doing non-WC WordPress events.
      Now that I’ve had more time to reflect on the experiences of the past few years, I’ve come to appreciate the foundation’s involvement in our community’s WordCamp. There have been bumps along the way, but in general they really do want what’s best for the community, and they really do want to help us make successful WordCamps.
      I can understand and appreciate a non-WordCamp event, and would love to go to some. However, I don’t think any of these points are out of line. Should someone actually be ostracized in any way, I’ll change my view, but until then, I see no reason not to take Jen and Andrea at their word. There’s room in the community for foundation-sanctioned events and for non-foundation events, and if we can all get along then I’m all for it.

    • ancawonka 12:26 am on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I just read through this (and went back to the wordcamp.org site to see what’s there now). This is very helpful, as is the previous post that discusses the need to articulate a clear policy. However, not everyone is up to speed with the past history that got us to this point – so I’d like to request some of that information.

      Specifically…

      Are there guidelines for what IS considered a WordCamp, beyond the “It’s blessed by the WPF”? (I ask because I didn’t see this specifically spelled out on plan.wordcamp.org)

      For example, could an unconference-style event be considered a WordCamp, or do they have to have formally programmed tracks?

      What about a hackathon-style event, where people got together and fixed bugs or worked on WordPress apps, and then did demos at the end?

      Is there an amount of WordPress related content that’s required in order for it to be a WordCamp (so like an event for bloggers, where a lot of time was spent on SEO and content or image creation, and some time was spent discussing WordPress vs. Tumblr)?

      Would an event like PressNomics, which focuses on the “business of WordPress” fit into the WordCamp model?

      • ancawonka 12:34 am on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I’m going to reply to my own post here because there’s an answer to the next-to-last question here: http://central.wordcamp.org/what-to-expect/. (80% WordPress content)

        • Andy Christian 3:53 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          To answer the rest of your questions, a WordCamp can pretty much take any of those forms (or others that haven’t been thought of yet). The main requirement in that respect is that the event must be mostly WordPress-related. I know of at least one WordCamp (Portland) that has done a fully Unconference style event, and many others that have worked various styles in alongside more traditional lectures/panels.

          • ancawonka 6:00 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Thanks Andy! I’m planning an uncoference-style WordPress event that would maybe fit into the WordCamp model, so this is good news.

      • andreamiddleton 6:50 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Confirming Andy’s answer about formats. Unconferences welcome!

        Per content concentrations: there have been WordCamps that focused on Real Estate and Higher Ed in the past, and there have been WordCamps with business-focused tracks. WordCamps vary widely based on the interests of the local community.

    • dotben 2:43 am on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      First and foremost having clear guidelines like this is excellent, and everything I read here makes total sense Andrea. And I certainly agree with the over-arching theme which is that if you want to go indie you can’t utilize or miss-appropriate WordCamp community resources, email lists, etc.

      I do, however, think we need to really evaluate and reflect on exactly why folks have wanted to move on from running the WordCamp events they previously invested significant amounts of their time, energy and community reputation into. To conclude it purely to be an opportunity for diversity is to ignore several important and potentially valid reasons why folks turned their backs on WordCamps.

      While it’s true it creates an opportunity for new participants to run a town/citiy’s WordCamp, I’ll call it out that the reality is more likely that a) there may be considerable skill gaps left in the remaining organizing committee that bring into question the ability to hold a successful event and b) the bottom line is that with finite sponsorship budgets it may not be feasible to hold two events in a given city and no one should assume that the WordCamp event will be the “winning” event of that financial resource.

      On the point of WordPress trademarks, it’s also worth nothing that it is fairly common for trademark holders – including Apple [0] and Microsoft [1] – to allow their marks to be used in the title of directly related conferences and events, and is not considered in legal circles to be a dilution of their mark. As an Open Source project, it is disappointing not to see such a provision in WordPress’s trademark and a general dis-interest in allowing non-Foundation backed events to gain permission to use it.

      To be clear – I’m not anti-WordCamp, in fact they remain my preference over indie events. However, I believe that every town and city should have a successful WordPress event and on each case I’d prefer to see that in whatever format it makes sense for that to take place..

      [0] See article 3 http://www.apple.com/legal/intellectual-property/guidelinesfor3rdparties.html
      [1] See “Publications, Seminars, and Conferences” http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/Trademarks/Usage/General.aspx

      • Syed Balkhi 5:31 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I don’t it can be said any better than this. I entirely agree with Ben.

      • Matt Mullenweg 6:44 pm on August 28, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Apple’s language is as such:

        3. Publications, Seminars, and Conferences: You may use an Apple word mark in connection with book titles, magazines, periodicals, seminars, or conferences provided you comply with the following requirements:

        a. The use is referential and less prominent than the rest of the title. Acceptable: XYZ CONFERENCE for Macintosh Computer Users.

        b. The use reflects favorably on both Apple and Apple products or technology.

        c. Your name and logo appear more prominent than the Apple word mark on all printed materials related to the publication, seminar or conference.

        d. The Apple logo or any other Apple-owned graphic symbol, logo, icon or image does not appear on or in the publication or on any materials related to the publication, seminar, or conference without express written permission from Apple.

        e. A disclaimer of sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement by Apple, similar to the following, is included on the publication and on all related printed materials: “(Title) is an independent (publication) and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Apple Inc.”

        f. A trademark attribution notice is included in the credit section giving notice of Apple’s ownership of its trademark(s). Please refer to the section below titled “Proper Trademark Notice and Attribution.”

        And furthermore:

        5. Endorsement or Sponsorship: You may not use Apple, Macintosh, iMac, or any other Apple trademark, including Apple-owned graphic symbols/logos, or icons, in a manner that would imply Apple’s affiliation with or endorsement, sponsorship, or support of a third party product or service.

        So it’s not really in the title, and lots of outs for Apple to say it wouldn’t be allowed. I know of Macworld — which Apple used to officially endorse, know of what some others are?

    • Chip Bennett 2:23 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Wish there were a way just to post a “+1″. This is a very reasonable policy.

    • Andy Christian 4:03 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Great job Andrea. While I definitely see the need to have a post like this, I think it would also be beneficial to have a discussion on why some event organizers feel it’s more beneficial not to use the resources provided by the Foundation in the first place.

      As @karenalma mentioned in her last post, there are questions about pain points and transparency in relation to the guidelines that, if addressed, might prevent some organizers from leaving in the first place.

    • Seth Carstens 4:11 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      You have to imagine that those of us involved in organizing non-WordCamp events this year would take this as a rub? I do appreciate the tone though, I can tell your trying very hard to be polite about what your saying, which is basically that anyone who volunteers there time, sweat, and blood to host a WordCamp, is creating assets for the WordCamp Foundation, not for the local community. This is somewhat disheartening, and the people that get hurt by this are past attendees that will basically not be informed of an awesome WordPress event in their community. I would have hoped that WordCamp would be willing, to let past attendees know of similar event in their community. We see these events as GPL like events, allowing them to be forked if somebody else can do it better.

      Thanks for taking a clear stance, and not discouraging other non-WordCamp events. You should know that we are just trying to do what we feel is best for our community that we are serving. Some of us dedicate hundreds of hours to the event, all unpaid, volunteer hours. As I indicate at my meetups, WordPress has literally “changed my life”, and I will continue to give back to community and be an Evangelist of WordPress.

      I hope that someday we breach 1,000 conference members, which is something WordCamp would never allow us to do. I hope the foundation can understand & support that our vision has simply grown beyond the limits of what the Foundation views a WordCamp should be, and that’s the primary reason that we can no longer live under the WC umbrella. Thanks so much for the support you have given us in years past, and I truly hope you find another group willing to put on a WordCamp in 2014 in Phoenix.

      Respectfully,
      Seth Carstens, Phoenix

      • Andy Christian 7:03 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I appreciate your sentiments, Seth, but regarding use of the mailing list, there is a bit of a privacy issue. People who signed up to receive updates about WordCamp Phoenix don’t necessarily understand that the new event isn’t a successor to it. While I know your group has the interests of your local community in mind, there’s nothing to prevent someone (now) from taking the email list and using it for less virtuous purposes.

        All that being said, I’m excited for WP Weekend Phx in January. I’ll do my best to make it.

        • Seth Carstens 11:30 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I understand the issues around the privacy policy. If the WPF wanted to send an official “other events like WordCamp” email since they won’t be having a January camp (to the best of my knowledge), they could do so under the privacy policy. On a personal level, I was more worried about #6, but assuming WPF stays true to this then we should have no problem running another successful conference. Just saying that “another successful conference” is it acceptable or not? Now we have to look over our shoulders on every statement we make. We are trying to be as careful as possible, but we are not perfect, I hope Andrea understands that.

        • amanda blum 2:46 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          Another perspective: if you are the average attendee of a WordCamp and don’t really follow the community, and find out an event in your community took place (perhaps the only event) without you being alerted, you’d be pretty steamed.

          “But I was on the mailing list”.
          “not the RIGHT mailing list”
          “how would i have known to get on the right one?”

          It begs the question: what does the Foundation and WordCamps stand for? Is it ONLY to promote WordCamps or is to promote community interest in WordPress?

          Its not a violation for WordCamp to acknowledge that there is another event and offer attendees the opportunity to opt into that event’s mailing list, so long as they don’t auto subscribe them and it comes from WordCamp, no more than it would be for the meetup’s mailing list to promote WordCamp.

      • Matt Mullenweg 12:23 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There have been WordCamps north of 1,000 before, and I’m sure will be in the future. Don’t see anything wrong with it.

    • jr00ck 10:12 pm on August 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I was not an organizer of past Phoenix WordCamps. I’m part of the current organizers group for WP Weekend Phx this year, however. As somewhat of an outsider, I see the problem as thus:

      WPF sees it’s role as owner of WordCamps (& related resources) and not simply a supporter of such.

      Others can correct me if I’m wrong, but my understanding is that WordCamps developed spontaneously throughout the globe within communities by WordPress enthusiasts. WPF saw the development and thought, “Hey, these are great, we should support and encourage these events” and then stepped in to support existing events and provide resources and opportunities for new ones to use as a launchpad to create their own. In doing so, and by nature of being a Foundation and necessarily somewhat bureaucratic, WPF had to implement guidelines and some reasonable rules if they were to sanction and support such events and the WordCamp name.

      Some communities are growing and have evolved to a point where WPF guidelines conflict with the needs and desires of the community running the event. Instead of providing support, WPF’s rules are becoming a hindrance to such communities. And this brings me to my big disagreement with WPF:

      When communities have come together and built the necessary connections and tools to run WordCamp events, is it right for WPF to step in and take ownership of those resources that WPF never created in the first place? Are those really WPF resources? And, is it really in the best interest of the WordPress communities to give up their work to a central authority who defines the rules for their events?

      This is a bit of a plea to WPF, on my part. WordPress and the resulting communities are a result of many thousands of individual contributions. We didn’t get to where we are today because of a central authority who said “let it be so”. I fear the proposed rules and the underlying attitude that begets them are exclusionary in nature and against the best interests of the community. As WPF, please reconsider your position with regards to WordCamps as the role of a supporter. I hope you will contemplate loosening your grip on the WordCamp trademark and the resources of the local communities who want to use the trademark. You have to consider that maybe, just maybe, local communities know what their needs are better than WPF does. And if turns out some communities make mistakes that hinder their own growth, so be it. Such is the nature of trial and error, and it only affects that community. But when WPF moves too far in the direction of dictating one-size-fits-all approaches, it affects the entire WordPress community worldwide.

      In the end, WordPress and the resulting communities are awesome. I have faith they will continue to grow and flourish. If WPF actions prove to be problematic, it may slow progress, and the WordCamp name will suffer because of it. But even if so, communities will begin to move around WPF and go forward on their own. The rules proposed, in my view, will hurt the WordCamp name in the long-run, not help it.

      • Matt Mullenweg 12:24 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        From the very first WordCamp it was definitely planned that it would spread and there would be similar events around the globe. Our model was BarCamp which had already started spreading.

      • Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture) 8:57 pm on August 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        I’ll just preface this by saying that I’m just a guy in the community and a new organizer myself.

        I’m not sure I’ve formed an opinion yet on whether the WPF should be promoting non-official events, so I’ll limit my response to this:

        When communities have come together and built the necessary connections and tools to run WordCamp events, is it right for WPF to step in and take ownership of those resources that WPF never created in the first place? Are those really WPF resources? And, is it really in the best interest of the WordPress communities to give up their work to a central authority who defines the rules for their events?

        1. Did the organizers use a WordCamp.org site to collect data and build a year-after-year user base?
        2. Did users agree to a privacy policy on said website?
        3. Did the organizers use the exposure that a sanctioned WordCamp promises to build itself up year after year?
        4. Were WPF resources expended to further the success of the local WordCamp based on agreement of certain guidelines?

        If even one of the answers to those four questions are true then any data gathered doesn’t belong to the local community, it belongs to the platform that enabled it – and in this case – the foundation that provides the platform. A classic example of work-product and nothing more.

    • howlingzoe 12:02 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      This will become a lot less of an issue in the future, when the vast majority of WC orgs are those who came up after the foundation started. For those across the country who built what the modern WordCamp has become out of the love of the community & WordPress, not obligation to Foundation, often before the Foundation even existed, its hard to understand the hard line the Foundation has taken against the volunteers and community that put in the work.

      For a while we’ve been commenting that it feels like you’re working for the Foundation, not volunteering to create an event that helps the community. In Phoenix’s case, these mailing lists, twitter lists, domains etc were voluntarily turned over to foundation well after they were built. As for myself, I built these systems for the community, not Foundation, and this attitude is kinda anti open source, tbh. The policies seem reasonable on paper, but in practice, they are less so. We don’t want anything from Foundation including their resources, we just don’t want Foundation trying to undermine the people in Phoenix working really hard as volunteers to just create this year’s event as usual.

      Communities that need or desire a community event should get one, but not in absence in one of those two criteria. We can go on about semantics, but Phoenix does indeed have a community event, run by the same people, in the same venues, with the same volunteers and sponsors, the same attendees and as inclusive (possibly more) than WordCamp has been. Until that event fails to deliver the WC minimums or someone in Phx actually requests a WordCamp, I fail to understand the Foundations need to actively solicit a new org in Phoenix. It demonstrates a lack of concern for the actual WordPress community in Phoenix . The difference between this new event and WP Weekend is one only people outside Phoenix appreciate. To her credit, April seems to be committed to distancing herself as quickly and purposefully as possible due to fear of running afoul of Andrea’s policies which is sad. She’s having to deal with sponsors who’ve always supported us and our event, who are getting calls from Foundation warning them to hold onto their money since there “will still be a WCPhx”, a fact that is yet to be proven and one of which I am skeptical since the entire community is involved in the new event.

      WordCamp Phoenix is big business- one of the larger camps and one whose income help underwrite other camps. Its been noted that this new event might also contribute back to Foundation. I would consider it more prudent for Foundation to try and get behind these alternative camps, which in this case were started peacefully, rather than try to enforce a slew of sometimes silly rules that just distance the community. I very respectfully hope they reexamine their attitude and approach towards these events.

      • Matt Mullenweg 12:26 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        What WordCamp guidelines are preventing you from doing one and forcing you do almost the same thing under a different name?

        • amanda blum 12:34 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          that’s a longer conversation than makes sense to have here, and a topic i’ve tried to bring up to you in multiple conversations in person, and would have greatly liked to have brought up at the summit last year. but its a truly excellent question and one i (and I know many others) would love to address.

          • Matt Mullenweg 1:15 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            Doesn’t need to be anything publicly sensitive or secret — this is a group for improving WC guidelines, so I’m curious about which ones specifically are a blocker.

            • amanda blum 1:45 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

              1. if you have a good meetup in your city, then everyone in your town has spoken and we’ve all heard what they had to say. WordCamp should be an opportunity to bring in NEW speakers, from outside the community. It is not currently set up for that. What if our community WANTS new ideas and concepts that can only come from outside our area to bring education and awareness of bigger topics? Shouldn’t it just be the best speaker for the topic? That doesn’t mean all “rock stars” but it probably means some.

              2. you cannot currently support any local charities. all monies go back to foundation. atleast a small portion should be able to support something within the community, specifically when that community is what made WordCamp great.

              3. You cannot start planning WC until 6 months before WC. Which in cases of larger camps is ridiculous. In Phx, if we waited until 6 months out, we wouldn’t have a venue. Same in Boston.

              4. I’d been repeatedly told camps should not grow to 1000, and these were two of the largest camps in the country: Boston and Phoenix.

              5. Budgets are pretty tightly controlled and funneling money through Foundation is kind of a bear. Benefits, to be sure, but also time consuming and a bear. I’m not sure what can be done to alleviate that, but some time should probably be dedicated to figuring it out.

              6. It seems like there’s a directive to not allow use of money for afterparties and other networking events, which is a big part of why people enjoy wordcamps.

              7. You can’t offer sponsors any incentives for sponsorship, which could turn out gross, but could also NOT turn out gross. There are ways to give them opportunities without compromising the attendees.

              8. Its hard to grow a WordCamp with new experiences and programming because of the tight controls.

              The idea that WordCamp has “guidelines” is bunk. They’re rules- plain and simple.And sometimes they make more sense on paper then in practice. A lot of bigger camps dedicate a sizeable and wasteful amount of time to skirting these rules. Not all of them, some are necessary.

              Frankly, this could all be solved by allowing that there is a second tier of camps that are bigger, run by more experienced people, etc that should be allowed a certain amount more freedom, time to plan, room in budget, etc-because the georgraphical area demands it and because they’ve proven themselves over time as an event and organizer. CLEARLY WordCamps are not a one size fits all situation, because WCSF exists outside that fold.

        • amanda blum 12:36 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          to be clear, that was my longer comment above as well, and you know how to get ahold of me to further discuss.

      • Gary Bairead 6:34 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        A claim has been made that the WordPress Foundation is targeting the sponsors of non-WordCamp events.

        Could the WPF please either confirm or refute this rather than leaving it unanswered.

        If the Foundation is actively soliciting people to run competing events, while also trying to undermine the sponsorship of those non-WordCamp events, it’s a bit rich to talk about ‘community’

        • amanda blum 6:58 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          I was told directly by a major sponsor that Foundation reached out to them for the sole purpose of telling them that there would still be a WCPhx, so they should reconsider sponsorship. When I asked Andrea, she insisted there must be some confusion, she had merely told them there would be a WCPhx, and that she has been actively telling people that there would be a new WCPhx. We don’t know from which side the confusion came from, or if there was confusion. We’re just dealing with what we’re told.

          • Jen Mylo 9:22 pm on August 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

            I know for a fact that Andrea did not in any way tell a sponsor not to sponsor the PHX event. Since you’re making this statement publicly, implying that Andrea either acted unethically and/or lied about what was said, why not ask the sponsor in question to say publicly what they told you?

            The fact that this is getting into a he-said she-said situation is decidedly awful. Are we really that incapable of having direct communication in groups when needed to untangle such situations? Since you are making this accusation (that Andrea told a sponsor not to get involved in the new PHX event) publicly, it’s a little late now to go back to trying to resolve things privately.

            I know for a fact that Andrea said nothing of the kind to any sponsor. How about asking the sponsor who told you that to comment here and state what Andrea said to them? It’s not really fair to make an accusation like this public without making the chain of information part of the discussion. Because you chose not to name the sponsor here, presumably Andrea would feel uncomfortable doing so, and I certainly feel uncomfortable doing so, though I know which company it is. So Andrea’s in the position of needing to defuse the situation and reduce confusion without actually addressing your specific accusation. That’s pretty sucky.

            I think this thread getting hijacked to talk about the PHX situation specifically instead of the Events team talking about general policy is unfortunate, but now that we’re here, this should be cleared up. Please ask the person who told you that they were told by Andrea to reconsider sponsorship to weigh in here and confirm what happened. If we’re in the wrong, we’ll do what we can to fix it. But it’s not cool to drop accusations of wrongdoing if you’re not willing to get it cleared up.

            • amanda blum 12:53 am on August 24, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

              I think I relayed very clearly what the sponsor told multiple members of the event, including myself, and I did indeed try to sort it out directly w Andrea and I relayed above what she told me as well. Don’t see anything unfair about it. So… as I said above, I don’t know where the confusion lies or if there is indeed, confusion. We’re going on what we were told by both parties. What I know for sure is that both sides confirm that Andrea called specifically to tell the sponsor “A WordCamp Phx was still taking place”. I’m sorry Andrea feels attacked and that you feel its sucky. We’ve been feeling very sucky about the actions of Foundation in the past few weeks.

              A lot of this is semantics. You’re upset that we’re discussing the Phx event? Well, the Phx event spurred this thread, so we can pretend to ignore it or just be open about it. Personally, I’m tired of the subterfuge.

              I agree, Foundation is not the Deathstar. But bottom line: WCPhx existed before Foundation, would have opted out of Foundation activities the past few years, has tried hard to skirt Foundation constraints, and willingly turned over all assets and leftover money. I don’t know that anyone involved would say that we feel as if we got anything from Foundation out of the exchange and I know that will spur a lot of responses, but we were a fully functioning event and the way our organizers viewed it, Foundation just got in the way. Now we’re just trying to do what’s best for our community and would prefer to do so peacefully with Foundation. The actions Foundation have taken don’t really speak to that peacefulness.

              This is not the first time I or anyone else has raised these issues. I’ve been raising them for 2-3 years and I’ve spoken to Andrea about them, to Jen about them, and Matt about them. So much so that you’ve very specifically told me to shut up about it already. So why everyone is acting like these are brand new issues no one knew about before is befuddling. I wish we could all just get it out on the table already.

              • andreamiddleton 3:08 am on August 27, 2013 Permalink

                She’s having to deal with sponsors who’ve always supported us and our event, who are getting calls from Foundation warning them to hold onto their money since there “will still be a WCPhx”

                What I know for sure is that both sides confirm that Andrea called specifically to tell the sponsor “A WordCamp Phx was still taking place”.

                I have not told any company or person to not sponsor WP Weekend PHX, nor have I initiated contact with *anyone* about WP Weekend PHX other than the past WordCamp Phoenix organizers involved with the event.

                I don’t know where this misunderstanding originated, but the whole extent of my involvement in the matter is described in detail below.

                At WCSF this year, I was asked about WP Weekend PHX by Tomas Puig of WP Engine, a company that had sponsored WordCamp Phoenix in 2013 and 2012. I told him I didn’t know anything about the new event. Tomas followed up with a meeting request on 8/5/13, and we had a video chat on 8/7/13. (I had spoken with April Holle by then and thus had more information about WP Weekend PHX.) In that call, I confirmed that some past WordCamp organizers were part of the WP Weekend PHX organizing team. I told him that since those organizers didn’t want to organize a WordCamp in 2014, I planned to post a call for organizers in Phoenix on WordCamp Central in the coming weeks. I did not advise Tomas about sponsorship in any way.

                Amanda Blum skyped me on 8/13/13 and told me that WP Engine told WP Weekend PHX that I told WP Engine – whew, that’s a game of telephone for you – there would be a WordCamp in PHX in 2014, so they shouldn’t sponsor this new event. I told her I would call Tomas to clarify, since I had not said that, and there must have been a misunderstanding. I did so immediately; when I called, Tomas told me that, on the contrary, he understood from our talk on 8/7/13 that I had no way to ensure that there would be a WordCamp in Phoenix in 2014, but that I’d be making a call for organizers. 

                The only potential sponsor that I have spoken with about WP Weekend PHX is Tomas Puig at WP Engine, and I neither initiated contact with him nor discouraged WP Engine in any way from sponsoring the event.

      • Chip Bennett 3:39 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        She’s having to deal with sponsors who’ve always supported us and our event, who are getting calls from Foundation warning them to hold onto their money since there “will still be a WCPhx”…

        Wow.

        if this is true, it is wrong on so many levels. (I have no reason to believe that it’s not true; that’s just a recognition of two sides to every story.)

        This isn’t just WPF abiding by a reasonable policy of only providing resources and assistance to sanctioned events; this is tortuously interfering with an independent event. WPF doesn’t have to help secure sponsors for non-sanctioned events, but under no circumstances should WPF be interfering with non-sanctioned events in their attempts to secure their own sponsors. That just comes across as thuggery.

        The draft guidelines, as written, imply a live-and-let-live attitude toward non-sanctioned events. I hope that such an attitude represents the way that the guidelines will be enforced going forward.

        • amanda blum 4:06 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          “The draft guidelines, as written, imply a live-and-let-live attitude toward non-sanctioned events. I hope that such an attitude represents the way that the guidelines will be enforced going forward.”

          That is an excellent summary of the concern. Everyone was prepared for all the guidelines above to be enforced before they were announced and complied without argument (except for this “same event” stuff… that’s just semantics in our case, but ok, whatevs). Main complaint right now is the not-really-playing-fair-but-expecting-us-to behavior.

        • Ze Fontainhas 5:30 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          if this is true,

          Aside from the fact that we should all really be above giving credit to rumour and allegation, in general, the implication that Andrea, or anyone from the Foundation, for that matter (which would pass Andrea’s approval anyway) could be complicitous to such behaviour, is simply beneath contempt.

          I am certainly not a champion of the Foundation on many issues, but those differences stem from natural and expected nuances on how we all approach organizing an event, not from taking the easy exit of blaming an hypothetical Foundation Death Star for the hurdles in my path.

          Unless someone comes forth, and presents a clear and specific instance where this has happened, I see no reason to question Andrea’s (or the Foundation’s) integrity; or are we all so eager to forget how invaluable the help and assistance has been, for so long? I, for myself, will continue to ascribe this whole issue to unfortunate hyperbole, or miscommunication.

          PS-This is not directed at you, @Chip, but rather at the issue itself.

        • Jen Mylo 10:23 pm on August 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          It’s not true. Period.

      • Matt Mullenweg 8:19 pm on August 28, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        It’d be ideal to have you guys part of the official thing and not fork events.

    • Alex Vasquez 5:38 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think this is a good move for a number of reasons. The rules/guidelines above are “common sense.” If you run a Foundation sanctioned event you get certain perks and considerations; if you don’t run a sanctioned event those perks don’t apply any longer. If you have organized a WPF sanctioned event then it is a part of your responsibility to hand over the “keys,” if you will, back to the WPF so that they can better support the next folks who come along to organize the next WordCamp Anytown. Not everyone does this, I’m sure. And it’s not to say there’s malicious intent, there isn’t any I’m sure. However, without mailing lists, social media accounts etc. it makes it harder for new organizers to reach that community. That said, it’s not impossible and organizers will make due, it really comes down to creating more work for those organizers that follow the previous organizer, but it’s also a simple matter of due diligence.

      There’s a lot of things that can be done from the proceeds that are raised by a WordCamp. However, WordCamps have a specific purpose and aim and that’s too create a strong local community. I don’t feel that any of the guidelines currently in place prevent that from happening. We’ve not been given any caps on attendance. Sure, there are a lot of budgeting things to adhere to, but it’s all within reason, in my opinion.

      I think it’s our duty to throw events like this for the community, especially since the community has given so much to so many. I’m one of the folks who has benefited mightily from the WordPress community. Over the course of four years, I’ve slowly increased my involvement locally to give back. I don’t get paid or reimbursed for my time, or for things I buy for meetups I run and certainly not for the WordCamp I’m co-organizing. That’s not what it’s about. I wish this there was more I could do for the sponsors, but sponsors are giving to the community too, they’re not advertising themselves; they’re investing in a community that closely tied to their business. It’s good business to invest in such a community and the events that bring its members together in one place.

      I think we all come from the same place of having this intense love and sense of pride and duty to the community. While it’s disheartening to read previous organizers stepping away from WPF sanctioned events, I’m really excited to see what’s coming down the pipe from these non-sanctioned events. There’s definitely room for them to be there.

      • zamoose 8:40 pm on August 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        However, WordCamps have a specific purpose and aim and that’s too[sic] create a strong local community.

        Alex:
        Perhaps your community differs from ours in this respect, but our WordCamp is not for creating a community but rather serving an existing community. Our camp primarily draws from our pre-existing Meetup and we look at each year’s event as an opportunity to strengthen the existing community through education, networking and service opportunities.

        Philly has a tight-knit tech community and enjoys a healthy co-working community and multiple non-profits. There are also local companies working in the ticketing and event spaces and we would love to contribute to their success. The current WC guidelines prevent us from doing so. We cannot contribute proceeds to one of our local charities, nor can we use e.g. TicketLeap to handle our ticketing, etc. Instead, our money would need to flow through Central and the Foundation.

    • austingunter 4:29 pm on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      WP Engine is proud to support lots of WordPress events that affect the community in a positive way. More events means more knowledge shared, and more community growth, which is a good thing, as long as we all stay true to WordPress’s core values.

      Our current plan is to sponsor both WordCamp Phoenix if it happens, and WordPress Weekend Phoenix. As an organization, we’ll continue to work closely with everyone in the community to support WordPress events as they arise!

    • adavis3105 5:46 pm on August 28, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      When I read these proposed guidelines over, I was genuinely impressed with how fair they were. As a past ( and likely to be again) WordCamp organizer and someone who is considering organizing a non WordCamp event, these guidelines landed exactly where I felt they should be. As someone who has also sponsored WordCamps and other events over the course of my career, I totally understood the perspective that these guidelines were coming from.

      If a person wants to organize an event outside of the WordCamp umbrella, they should expect that they won’t/don’t have the same resources, funding opportunities etc, but rather that they are starting from ground zero. That’s just the risk one takes when they make this kind of decision.

      As someone who has worked with Andrea on WordCamps and sponsorship committees, it just plain irks me that she is being made to answer accusations like this. I don’t know that I have met a fairer person, either in-person or online.

    • Ahmad Awais 3:00 pm on April 18, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      The policy seems fine to me. But what if someone like me, trying to pull off a non-official WordPress event to find out if it is worth it to apply for WordCamp in his area or not? To find out if he can pull off a WordCamp event or not? and what will be the turnover of such an event. To build a WordPress niche based community before jumping into the WordCamp business in his country where there was no WordCamp even before.

      • Andrea Middleton 5:29 am on April 22, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        There’s room for all sorts of WordPress-related events in the world. Not everyone wants to organize an official event, that’s for sure! :) WordCamp organizers are expected to be members of their local WordPress community, and if there isn’t an established WordPress community in their area, we ask them to start by organizing a meetup. Organizing a meetup is a great way to see if your country is ready for a large-scale WordPress event. If you’re interested in going that route, read through the guidelines on http://plan.wordcamp.org/ and apply to become a WordCamp organizer.

  • karenalma 3:43 am on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    WordCamp Guidelines – August 19 Update

    Since you last heard from us, the members of this committee ran into life, that is to say: WordCamps, jobs, local WordPress community obligations. Life has been fun, busy, and full of a lot of WordPress. As it should be :)

    Consequently, we haven’t gotten through all the steps that we laid out for ourselves when we last posted an update for you guys here and here and here.

    We’re sorry, especially since we know you all want to know the results of our findings. So, we met last week to figure out where we are at and what we need to do going forward.

    This is what we’ve come up with:

    some guidelines are frustrating for some organizers, other guidelines are frustrating to other organizers. We all have our guidelines that provide varying levels of pain. The main thing we want as WordCamp organizers is to know why things are the way they are. Arbitrary rules bother us.

    To be clear, we discovered during our conversations and through the results of the survey we sent out that the biggest pain point is *not knowing the reason for a given guideline*. Speaking for myself, as a 3 time WordCamp organizer (and since we are all reasonable people) if we knew the reason behind a given guideline, then we may still be frustrated, but we could all work with that.

    Consequently, our recommendation is for more transparency, specifically:

    • document the guidelines well, indicating the underlying reasons for why a particular guideline exists
    • have quarterly Ask me Anything Google hangouts with someone at Central, essentially, a time for anyone to stop on by and ask questions about anything that is causing any issues

    Thanks for listening and sorry for our long absence!

     
    • Rafael Ehlers 4:02 am on August 20, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      That’s true! I had a lot of doubts over budgeting issues, and tought it was mainly a problem between cultures/countries. I had only understood it clearly when Andrea in person (at WCSF) explicitly told me about the reason to be for these specific guidelines. Now i’m able to teach future WordCamp organizers why it’s enforced that way.

    • Marko Heijnen 6:30 am on September 2, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I think more can be done then just clarify the guidelines. I already expressed my concerns a few times. To me the confusion around guidelines vs rules is already something weird. Since there are multiple WCs that don’t apply to those guidelines.

  • Andrea Middleton 4:06 pm on July 23, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    As you can read here, @jenmylo and I had been talking about merging the Community and Events groups, for reasons enumerated in that post. TL;DR: the community outreach group has wound up mostly being connecting with contributors from other groups, with a giant amount of overlap with Events. This post is to see what the Events group thinks about merging our groups! :)

    Vote in the comments: Yes, No, or a comment if you have questions or concerns that you would like answered before you say yes or no.

     
  • Andrew Nacin 3:46 pm on May 10, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    The WordCamp base theme and post types plugin have shifted from code.svn.wordpress.org to http://meta.svn.wordpress.org/sites/trunk/wordcamp.org/public_html/.

    If you have a local working copy, you can do an svn relocate or just check out the new location.

     
    • Tony Zeoli 3:55 pm on May 10, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      A Post Types plugin? Cool. What does it do? I guess I’ll DL it and check it out.

    • Alex Vasquez 4:42 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Oh cool! We were wondering where the theme was kept. =)

    • Alex Vasquez 6:46 am on August 22, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Question: Is there a github clone for this repo? (SVN noob here)

    • rfair404 9:55 pm on January 26, 2014 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      Question regarding the wc-posttypes plugin functions. The wp.org user id meta is mapped to the user object (presumably on WordPress.org’s big user table). This means that in the event that you’re attempting to use this plugin outside of the .org environment (e.g. some self hosted site or locally) the user id profile info won’t line up. Even in the event that the user has the same “nicename” the possibility of their user ID lining up… is pretty much nil.

      Here is “why” I bring this up… It may be a controversial use case, which I understand may ruffle some feathers, but I’ll explain it to see if anyone can come up with a creative solution…

      We have a WordCamp site, for which we’d like to programmatically add speakers using a csv parse or similar process, ideally on a locally installed wp instance (or by using a front end contact form plugin that will create posts, e.g. gravityforms+cpt). From there I’d theoretically be able to grab a .xml export file and pull the data into my “official” WordCamp site.

      At the moment everything about the above process works, except for the meta. Is there anything that we can do aside from manually inserting the wp.org username? Similarly I presume that the clever trick of setting the corresponding session(s) to the speaker user ID will also fail due to how the .org username is set.

      Any help appreciated…

  • Jen Mylo 5:14 pm on May 2, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    WordCamp Overseer Trainees? 

    I know there’s a group working on a proposal for an organizer mentorship program, which is cool. In the meantime, we need to get some hands on deck now rather than later to help with incoming organizer applications and orienting newly approved organizers. These people would learn the process from @andreamiddleton, and hopefully volunteer a couple of hours a week doing this. Interested? For the sake of expediency, let’s stick to folks who are experienced with WC organizing, and who don’t have any beef with the guidelines. Not saying there’s no room for dissent, but since this is a start-now thing, removing the need for guidelines arguments/debates will be the easiest, fastest way to get a handful of people up to speed.

    Who wants to help? Leave your name in the comments, and Andrea will pick up to 4 people completely subjectively and without any group voting. Sometimes we need to just get things done. :)

    Mentorship program team, still looking forward to seeing that move forward.

     
  • ajmorris 1:15 pm on May 2, 2013 Permalink | Log in to leave a Comment
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    WordPress.tv Moderator Update – Week 18 

    This week has been rather slow for us. We’ve only published 6 videos! 2 Videos were “How-to” and 4 were from WordCamp Atlanta. We’ve encountered some issues with audio so, it’s slow going to get WordCamp Atlanta out.

    I’m making a personal goal of watching 3 today. Until next week folks!

     
    • Scott Offord 1:18 pm on May 2, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

      I have an idea that will save everyone a lot of time. Sessions can be recorded via Google Hangout “On Air” and published directly to YouTube live. Then, if you want to, you can download the videos and reupload them to your wp.tv server or just embed them into the site.

      This would save hundreds of hours a year.

      • ajmorris 1:25 pm on May 2, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

        Good in theory. The problem isn’t recordings, it’s more viewing the content, checking to make sure it meets the standards of WordCamp Video sessions, http://wptvmods.wordpress.com/wordcamp-video-submission-standards/, grabbing slides, etc. That just takes time to do. :)

        • Angie Meeker 8:50 pm on May 21, 2013 Permalink | Log in to Reply

          +1 on the Hangouts. And now (writing this May 21) Hangouts aren’t published automatically afterwards – they are created as drafts in Youtube, even though they can be streamed live as they happen. I’d really like to hear more discussion about this and if there’s a reason why we can’t use this method going forward.

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