Summary, Dev Chat, April 24, 2024

Start of the meeting in SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/., facilitated by @mikachan.
🔗 Agenda post

Announcements

An update for the 6.6 release squad has been posted, please note that the release squad is looking for one or two CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. Triagetriage The act of evaluating and sorting bug reports, in order to decide priority, severity, and other factors. Leads to focus on triaging TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. and a Documentation Lead with previous experience for the role.

Also, a reminder that the WordPress 6.5 retrospective post has been published, please fill in the survey if you would like to leave feedback or suggestions for improvements to the release process. The form and comments will be open until April 26th, 2024

There was also a recent discussion in the #core-editor channel around several topics linked to how we can improve how contributors follow along with editor updates and improve communication within the project. There were several potential actions discussed, including:

  • Create more high-level tracking issues that are not tied to a major releasemajor release A release, identified by the first two numbers (3.6), which is the focus of a full release cycle and feature development. WordPress uses decimaling count for major release versions, so 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, and 3.1 are sequential and comparable in scope..
  • Create Slack channels for high-level features, such as navigation (#feature-website-navigation) and the grid blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. (#feature-grid).
  • Create teams on GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ for high-level features to create an easy point-of-contact and discussion space for these features.

@annezazu called out that she did some recent work cleaning up the GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ repo, which should help with this, including getting high-level overview issues in place for all phase 3 items.

Tied to this, 6.6 is the start of having set iteration labeled issues that are targeted for the release and should make it easier to follow release-specific, in-progress work: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/labels/%5BType%5D%20Iteration

@jorbin suggested a make/core post outlining more specifics about the intended process for the iteration issues, to make sure things stay up to date.

@mikachan believes that a summary post is being written to help summarize the next steps from the discussion that happened over in #core-editor.

@johnbillion and @priethor both expressed concerns about potential siloing if we experiment with adding more feature channels.

Forthcoming releases

Next major release: 6.6

We are currently in the WordPress 6.6 release cycle.

Next maintenance release: 6.5.3

There are currently 15 open tickets in the 6.5.3 release milestone. There is more information about this release in this post, including the bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrub schedule and how you can get involved.

@jorbin gave the following update:

6.5.3 is still on target for 7 May. Scrubs have been moving things forward. There are a couple of at risk tickets so if you see something towards the bottom of https://core.trac.wordpress.org/tickets/minor/workflow, it would be good to jump in to help.

There are also a few tickets on GitHub so look towards the left there to see tickets you can help move forward https://github.com/orgs/WordPress/projects/186

Next Gutenberg release: 18.2

Gutenberg 18.2 is scheduled for April 24 and will include these issues. During the meeting, @colorful-tones asked for support with a problem encountered while publishing.

Discussion

@peterwilsoncc previously raised that we should consider syncing the editor packages earlier in the release cycle. Could this be attempted for 6.6? Slack reference.

  • This process is documented here, but @youknowriad warned that a lot of that work is also manual for the PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher part and not something that doesn’t have a clear workflow.
  • @johnbillion noted a related issue, #60967, which could help with this process.
  • @joemcgill suggested that we put some focus on reducing friction of the PHP syncing during this release and will follow up with @youknowriad and tech leads @ellatrix, @vcanales, and @audrasjb about some next steps.

@afragen published the Merge Proposal for Rollback Auto-Update and asked for more testing and feedback in order to commit this early during the cycle.

Highlighted posts

The full list of posts from the last week in Core can be read on the agenda at this link.

Open floor

There was no time for the open floor section during this dev chat, but @drivingralle did mention a potential ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. for 6.6 on the agenda post:

Would be great if ticket #55184 could be included in 6.6.

Props to @mikachan for reviewing.

#6-6, #dev-chat, #summary

Performance Chat Summary: 23 April 2024

Meeting agenda here and the full chat log is available beginning here on Slack.

Announcements

Priority Items

Structure:

  • WordPress performance TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. tickets
    • Current release (WP 6.6)
  • Performance Lab pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party (and other performance plugins)
  • Active priority projects
    • Improve template loading
    • INP research opportunities
    • Improving the calculation of image size attributes
    • Optimized autoloaded options

WordPress Performance Trac Tickets

Performance Lab Plugin (and other Performance Plugins)

  • @westonruter the Speculative Loading plugin is already at 9000+ active installs! I expect it to tip into the 10k+ range today as the counts have been increasing about 1k per day
    • @joemcgill One of the important things for us to understand with Speculative Loading is what the impacts are on the sites that are using it, that includes performance impact, obviously, but also how it effects things like server resource usage, integration with analytics or other things that may not expect some requests to come from non-users.
    • @westonruter Yes, the readme has been updated to note that. However, people don’t always read the readmes
  • @westonruter planning to kick off the Image Prioritizer plugin this week which will split out the image-specific logic from Optimization Detective, leaving that plugin as an APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. dependency. We can then feature Image Prioritizer in the PL plugin to promote to users.

Active Priority Projects

Improve template loading

  • @joemcgill For the ongoing template loading epic we’ve been working on (https://github.com/WordPress/performance/issues/746) there are 3 main tickets we’re tracking for 6.6:
  • @joemcgill On #59600, I just committed r58025, which covers blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. theme patterns on Friday. As @thekt12 has looked into improvements for block templates and template parts, it seems that most of the cost is related to the underlying Theme JSONJSON JSON, or JavaScript Object Notation, is a minimal, readable format for structuring data. It is used primarily to transmit data between a server and web application, as an alternative to XML. processing, which is covered by #57789
    • @joemcgill did some cleanup, and added some updates to #57789 on that ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. yesterday
  • @spacedmonkey Is anyone looking into #59596
    • Call file size on every css file results in multiple file operations. Might be a good one to pickup, there is already a PR, should be simple to get across the line.
  • @thekt12 most of this is repeat to what @joemcgill said above-
    • #59600 Performance regressionregression A software bug that breaks or degrades something that previously worked. Regressions are often treated as critical bugs or blockers. Recent regressions may be given higher priorities. A "3.6 regression" would be a bug in 3.6 that worked as intended in 3.5. in block tempalte part was related to get_theme_data ( this will be handled in #57789 )
    • #59595 Current implementation (PR#6392) was found to have benefit but need to resolve circular dependency – a bit complex scenerio (this)
    • #57789 So far we have observed benefits of caching WP_Theme_JSON_Resolver::get_theme_data – I am checking any side effects if we do so.
    • We will be caching WP_Theme_JSON_Resolver::get_core_data data inside WP_Theme_JSON_Resolver::get_merged_data , we believe it will result in 3-4% improvement alone and is not subjected to much change.

INP research opportunities

Improving the calculation of image size attributes

  • @joemcgill noted that he worked with @adamsilverstein and started looking into creating a Colab to capture and compare metrics for this, which is what I’m planning to focus on this week

Optimized autoloaded options

  • @joemcgill I created a follow-up ticket last week to update the default auto load option values that get set by coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. to use the new schema we introduced in #42441@pbearne also started a draft of the dev-note for that change, which I owe a review on.

Open Floor

Our next chat will be held on Tuesday, April 30, 2024 at 15:00 UTC in the #core-performance channel in Slack.

#core-performance, #performance, #performance-chat, #summary

Summary, Dev Chat, April 17, 2024

Start of the meeting in SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/., facilitated by @joemcgill.

Announcements

The WordPress 6.5 retrospective post has been published, please fill in the survey if you would like to leave feedback or suggestions for improvements to the release process.

Forthcoming Releases

Next major releasemajor release A release, identified by the first two numbers (3.6), which is the focus of a full release cycle and feature development. WordPress uses decimaling count for major release versions, so 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, and 3.1 are sequential and comparable in scope.: 6.6

We are currently in the WordPress 6.6 release cycle. The deadline for leaving feedback on this Planning Proposal post has ended, and we expect a release squad to be announced soon. Please leave a comment if you have any updates to share about this.

Next maintenance release: 6.5.3

WordPress 6.5.3 will be the next maintenance release. @jorbin published this post outlining the schedule.

@jorbin shared:

Work on WordPress 6.5.3 is progressing. The target for release is 7 May and there are bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrubs happening twice a week.

Of the tickets I’ve reviewed so far, https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/60992 feels like the highest priority. It has a patchpatch A special text file that describes changes to code, by identifying the files and lines which are added, removed, and altered. It may also be referred to as a diff. A patch can be applied to a codebase for testing. on it that could use some extra testing.

For the full schedule of scrubs or if you aren’t a bug gardener and want to suggest a ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. for the milestone, see
https://make.wordpress.org/core/2024/04/15/wordpress-6-5-3-an-upcoming-maintenance-release/

As with all minor releases, any and all help is appreciated.

Slack reference

@afragen confirmed that the expected behaviour of the patch for #60992 is: The patch for 60992 allows the redirect after the Activate button on the pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party card in plugin-install.php. There continues to be no redirect for the Activate button in any modal, ie “More Details” or “View details” modals.

@costdev confirmed that they’re confident we can land the resolution for 6.5.3.

Next GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ release: 18.2

Gutenberg 18.2 is scheduled for April 24 and will include these issues.

Discussion

There were several proposed discussion topics for today:

  • How can we get PHP8 support completed and out of “compatible with exceptions”: suggested by @jorbin
  • Aligning the coding standards for CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. and Gutenberg so that both can use the same tooling: also suggested by @jorbin
  • Revisit syncing editor packages early and throughout the release cycle: suggested by @jeffpaul

How can we get PHP8 support completed and out of “compatible with exceptions”

On the first topic, @jorbin noted that: PHP8 support feels to me like one of those things that is kind of stagnent and I would love to see some movement towards full and complete support for all PHP8 versions. I wanted to bring it up as a topic to see if others agree or if people think the current core stance is good.

There is not currently an active effort to reach full support for PHP8.

@jeffpaul noted that: PHP Compatibility and WordPress Versions handbook page that shows PHP8 support (betaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. support, compatible with exceptions).

@oglekler mentioned that: I am mostly working with 7.4 and from times to times have surprises like this: #46338.

There are 42.5% of WordPress sites using PHP8+ according to https://wordpress.org/about/stats/.

@ironprogrammer mentioned this related proposal: Proposal: Criteria for Removing “Beta Support” from Each PHP 8+ Version.

@joemcgill suggested this may be a conversation that needs to start in #core-php to see if there is already an active effort in place to continue making progress, and if not, try to kickstart the process.

@jorbin noted that the outline the criteria and process for reviewing each "beta support" PHP version with each WordPress major release  item is what is needed to get completed to move this forward. And then clearing out the php-compatability focus.

@joemcgill added that it seems like one of the biggest risks currently is that WP continues to show only beta support for supported PHPPHP The web scripting language in which WordPress is primarily architected. WordPress requires PHP 5.6.20 or higher versions once 8.4 is released later this year, so it would be nice to make progress on this.

@costdev highlighted that this effort should be led by a sponsored contributor, due to the amount of work involved. @jorbin mentioned that if there is a host who wants to sponsor this, please get in touch via a DM or a comment on this post.

Aligning the coding standards for Core and Gutenberg so that both can use the same tooling

@jorbin kicked off this topic with:

This is inspired by two things:

  1. The lack of prettier / mismatched tooling for JSJS JavaScript, a web scripting language typically executed in the browser. Often used for advanced user interfaces and behaviors. between the two repos
  2. The conversation/PR a few months back to remove the WordPress-Docs ruleset from Gutenberg

It’s also something I was just raising for visibility.

Slack reference

@joemcgill noted that: As I recall, this has been mentioned as one of the main challenges to more frequent syncing of GB packages to Core, as well. (e.g., https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/discussions/59786#discussioncomment-8784550)

It looks like @get_dave was planning on writing a Make Core post following the above discussion on GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/. In that discussion, @antonvlasenko summarised two issues relating to the PHP side:

  1. Developing the missing linters to enforce WordPress Core standards.
  2. Fixing an issue with synchronizing the rulesets between Gutenberg and WordPress to ensure a unified set of linters.

@jorbin mentioned that for the JS side, there likely is going to need to be a mass reformatting commit or two (if it’s similar to the experience from when jshint was first put into place).

Highlighted posts

The full list of posts from the last week in Core can be read on the agenda at this link.

Open floor

@presskopp mentioned: From time to time I like to remind ourselves of the following, never giving up hope to be heard https://wordpress.slack.com/archives/C02RQBWTW/p1627500098438000

@afragen mentioned: Just an FYI. We are working on the merge proposal for Rollback Auto-Update and would like to put it on the agenda for next week.

Props to @joemcgill for reviewing.

#6-6, #dev-chat, #summary

Performance Chat Summary: 16 April 2024

Meeting agenda here and the full chat log is available beginning here on Slack.

Announcements

  • Welcome to our new members of #core-performance
  • The team launched the Performance Lab pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party version 3.0.0 on Mon April 15

Priority Items

Structure:

  • WordPress performance TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. tickets
    • Current release (WP 6.6)
  • Performance Lab plugin (and other performance plugins)
    • Final decision regarding streamlining PL plugin and other standalone plugins #1061
  • Active priority projects
    • Improve template loading
    • INP research opportunities
    • Improving the calculation of image size attributes
    • Optimized autoloaded options

WordPress Performance Trac Tickets

  • For WordPress 6.6:
    • Nothing to discuss this week

Performance Lab Plugin (and other Performance Plugins)

  • Final decision regarding streamlining PL plugin and other standalone plugins #1061
    • @thelovekesh added a workflow diagram on the issue itself and had some initial conversation with @swissspidy as well.
    • In the new workflow, we will be aiming to automate the other chores like:
      • auto creation of a release branchbranch A directory in Subversion. WordPress uses branches to store the latest development code for each major release (3.9, 4.0, etc.). Branches are then updated with code for any minor releases of that branch. Sometimes, a major version of WordPress and its minor versions are collectively referred to as a "branch", such as "the 4.0 branch".
      • raise a PR on the trunktrunk A directory in Subversion containing the latest development code in preparation for the next major release cycle. If you are running "trunk", then you are on the latest revision. from the release branch which will be having updated since tags and bumped version.
      • renaming of milestone and creating a next milestone.
  • @mukesh27 has the following PR ready for review PR #1148 – Warning notice about read-only file system remove even when all plugins are installed
  • @westonruter For Speculative Loading, I learned about an issue yesterday where WooCommerce links to add-to-cart and remove-from-cart are erroneously being prefetched/prerendered. WooCommerce shouldn’t be using links for these UIUI User interface elements, but such is WP.

Active Priority Projects

Improve template loading

  • @thekt12 ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. #59595PR#6392 is good for some initial review and feedback. Findings and reasoning behind each changes is added to PR description and inline comments. In TT4 homepage, I can see 4% improvement for non persistent cache and 6% improvement for site with persistent cache.
  • @thekt12 In #59600,
    • Working on improving performance for BlockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. Template  PR#6369 ( current results not that good )
    • Template Parts caching PR#6391 ( current results not that good )

INP research opportunities

  • @adamsilverstein created this top level issue to track the work: https://github.com/WordPress/performance/issues/1120
    • opened a few coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. tickets about adopting the Interactivity APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. to replace jQuery (#60986 #60985 and #60987) These are open for contributions if anyone wants to get a chance to try the Interactivity API out.
    • created a sheet with the list of scripts identified in the audits and have started to inventory which themes/plugins have public GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ repositories we can contribute to.
    • created a PR to add custom metrics to httparchive so we can track adoption of the Interactivity API and I also started exploring adding performance instrumentation to the Interactivity API, so we can debug performance issues with callbacks.

Improving the calculation of image size attributes

  • @joemcgill I have an update on https://github.com/WordPress/performance/issues/760
    • One of the first steps to this project is to get a baseline of what the impact of inaccurate sizes attributes have on the web. I’ve updated an earlier HTTPArchive query that was created a few years ago to get some of that info, and am planning to work with @adamsilverstein on some additional ways to measure the impact of any changes we make.
    • I’ll plan on creating a bit of a roadmap for how we can improve the sizes attribute via a Performance Lab project once we’re happy with how to measure this.

Optimized autoloaded options

  • @swissspidy we have this long-standing module proposal for optimizing autoloaded options however @joostdevalk just published something very similar. So I was thinking that maybe we should collaborate
    • @joostdevalk I’ve done (in what’s probably a pretty rough way) something similar to what @swissspidy proposed in his ticket too; measure which options are used, remove autoload from those that aren’t used
    • I was kinda shocked by the results on some sites, going from multiple megabytes of options to 2-300 KB
    • I do still think though that maybe we should look at more aspects. We currently only have autoload yes and no, and I’ve basically always thought it’s weird that we don’t use the fact that it’s a string to also allow other contexts, like admin
    • Anyway, my code is there, happy to look at it together with someone and build something for performance labs
    • @joostdevalk One other thing related to options; the impact of a “miss” on an option that’s supposed to be autoloaded is actually way higher, as that always results in a DB query. If we could get a way to prevent that from happening, by having a get_autoloaded_option or something like that, I think the impact could be quite big.
  • @joemcgill For 6.6, we just added some functionality in #42441 that could be useful for automating some of this. After that change, any new option that is added can have its autoload value determined based on some additional criteria. For example, in that issue disables autoloading for large options if they weren’t explicitly added while passing true to the autoload param.
  • @pbearne asked @joostdevalk have you looked #347 code

Open Floor

Our next chat will be held on Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 15:00 UTC in the #core-performance channel in Slack.

#core-performance, #performance, #performance-chat, #summary

Summary, Dev Chat, April 10, 2024

Start of the meeting in SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/., facilitated by @mikachan.

Announcements

WordPress 6.5.2 Maintenance and Security Release was released on Tuesday, April 9. WordPress version 6.5.1 could not be released due to a packaging error.

Forthcoming Releases

Next major releasemajor release A release, identified by the first two numbers (3.6), which is the focus of a full release cycle and feature development. WordPress uses decimaling count for major release versions, so 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, and 3.1 are sequential and comparable in scope.: 6.6

We are officially in the WordPress 6.6 release cycle.

@priethor published this WordPress 6.6 Planning Proposal & Call for Volunteers post recently, and is currently collecting the names of squad and cohort volunteers to share with leadership.

@jeffpaul commented that “at least finalizing the CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. & Editor tech leads and an RCrelease candidate One of the final stages in the version release cycle, this version signals the potential to be a final release to the public. Also see alpha (beta). would go a long way towards formally kicking off.”

@jorbin said, “I’ve also seen a couple questions about default themes and getting that kicked off during this release, I think getting an answer there would be helpful”

@joemcgill asked, “…what the focuses of this release would be. @chanthaboune originally proposed that 6.6 be held as a maintenance and polish release in this post, but I’m unsure if that’s still the plan.” And later, “To be clear, I’m not necessarily advocating for 6.6 to be mainly a polish release, I just see the need to be intentional in release planning if we want to actually execute that objective.”

Next maintenance release: 6.5.3

There are currently 13 open tickets in the 6.5.3 release milestone.

Later in the meeting @jorbin shared an initial proposed schedule for 6.5.3.

The first minor releaseMinor Release A set of releases or versions having the same minor version number may be collectively referred to as .x , for example version 5.2.x to refer to versions 5.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.3, and all other versions in the 5.2 (five dot two) branch of that software. Minor Releases often make improvements to existing features and functionality. for 6.5 is out, though it was a quick turnaround security release. For a proper minor release, I would like to gather thoughts on the following plan:

  1. @grantmkin has volunteered to help on the editor side (Thank you!)
  2. I would like to suggest a target of 7 May for 6.5.3 with an RC on 2 May. This will allow for about 4 weeks to identify and fix any bugs. I think Tuesday’s have served us fairly well.
  3. To assist in this, I would like to start bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrubs. I’m thinking twice weekly with one focused on tracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. and one on githubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ until we get closer to the release with the last few looking at both bug trackers
Slack reference

Next GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ release: 18.2

Gutenberg 18.1 was released on April 10 and included these issues. 18.2 is scheduled for April 24 and will include these issues.

Discussion

During discussion we checked in on the progress that the 6.5 release coordinators are making on organizing a release retro post (see this thread). @marybaum confirmed that @priethor, @marybaum, and @akshayar are working on this and will update the #6-5-release-leads channel soon.

It was confirmed that retros have been a part of our release process for several previous releases. Many of them can be found by lookin at the retrospective tagtag A directory in Subversion. WordPress uses tags to store a single snapshot of a version (3.6, 3.6.1, etc.), the common convention of tags in version control systems. (Not to be confused with post tags.) on this site.

Highlighted posts

The full list of posts from the last week in Core can be read on the agenda at this link.

Open floor

Tony Gravagno proposed that retrospectives could be used for marketing. “People need an occasional reminder and reinforcement that their platform of choice is aggressively maintained, despite occasional press about pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party vulnerabilities … which is all most people see about WP.” He then suggested that this might be better discussed in the #marketing channel.

Damon Cook shared that he has recently added details to the Project Updates and Details area in key Gutenberg GitHub Project boards (example: WordPress 6.6 Editor Tasks). Damon is planning on trying to keep those up to date throughout the cycle.

Screenshot of the status updates screen from GitHub project boards.


This prompted @jeffpaul to ask whether these updates could be provided on make/core to capture a broader audience.

“My lens is for someone who’s not in lots of GitHub issues, PRs, or boards and finds it hard to stay current on what’s transpiring there and thus not as able to contribute without that context.  Trying to find ways to bring some of that scattered context back to make/core for broader consumption and contextual understanding.”

Damon was open to experimenting on how to best cross-share info in both places. “…for now, I just wanted to make folks aware that I’ve started utilizing the feature and can even deactivate or remove it if it is confusing.”

The full conversation about these status updates starts here.

@dmsnell wanted to remind folks about his proposal to remove support for HTML4 and XHTML. “Doing this is mostly ceremonial, since those formats aren’t supported in reality. Removing them officially though gives us liberty to modernize existing code and improve WordPress’ HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers.-handling reliability. More info in the linked ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker.#59883“.

Props to @mikachan for reviewing.

#6-6, #core, #dev-chat, #summary

Performance Chat Summary: 9 April 2024

Meeting agenda here and the full chat log is available beginning here on Slack.

Announcements

  • Welcome to our new members of #core-performance
  • Plan to launch Performance Lab pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party version 3.0.0 on Mon April 15

Priority Items

Structure:

  • WordPress performance TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. tickets
    • Current release (WP 6.6)
  • Performance Lab plugin (and other performance plugins)
    • Open discussion regarding streamlining PL plugin and other standalone plugins #1061
  • Active priority projects
    • INP research opportunities
    • Improve template loading

WordPress Performance Trac Tickets

  • For WordPress 6.6:
    • @adamsilverstein volunteered to be the performance release leadRelease Lead The community member ultimately responsible for the Release. for 6.6

Performance Lab Plugin (and other Performance Plugins)

  • Open discussion regarding streamlining PL plugin and other standalone plugins #1061
    • @flixos90 at a high level I like what @swissspidy proposed in https://github.com/WordPress/performance/issues/1061#issuecomment-2044774194
      • It would be great if we could have distinct releases per plugin, and automate it completely. Even before we had standalone plugins, the Performance Lab release process involves quite a bit of manual work, like bumping versions and adding changelog in PRs. It takes just a very short time, so not a big overhead, but still prone to human error
    • @joemcgill I definitely like the idea of making the release on GH the result of a release rather than the cause of a release. Seems like we need to better define all of the requirements that an updated process should meet prior to diving into implementation. Is there someone consolidating those requirements?
      • @thelovekesh has volunteered to pick this up, aiming for next Monday to collect everyone’s feedback and to generate a proposed approach
  • @mukesh27 has been working on below some follow-up PRs.
    • PRs that have been merged:
      • PR #1116 – Delete option when uninstalling the Modern Image Formats plugin
      • PR #1117 – Update GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ actions dependency
  • @flixos90 opened https://github.com/WordPress/performance/issues/1118 which is about enhancing the npm run since script to support standalone plugins. This unlocks a simple yet valuable improvement to our current publishing workflow for standalone plugins. That said, this is separate from the main discussion we should have here as it doesn’t holistically change anything. I just wanted to mention it for reference

Active Priority Projects

Improve template loading

INP research opportunities

  • @adamsilverstein still working through the results, some discussion has continued in comments on the doc. I also saw @swissspidy opened this ticketticket Created for both bug reports and feature development on the bug tracker. which is related to one of the findings #60962 (thanks!)
    • One other small update, part of the INP doc suggests a move towards Interactivity APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. adoption could be helpful, in that regard I have added custom metrics to httparchive so we can track API adoption: https://github.com/HTTPArchive/custom-metrics/pull/113
  • @westonruter For sites still using MediaElement.js, I’ve identified some code that appears to be needlessly spending ~50 ms (when profiling at 6x CPU slowdown on my machine) to check if the pointer-events style is supported. Since this is now supported by >98% of browsers, I think this entire blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience. of logic should be replaced with just a simple export const SUPPORT_POINTER_EVENTS = true given this.
    • Granted, this would be more of a LCP fix than an INP fix since it happens early when the page is loading.

Open Floor

  • @thelovekesh This PR is waiting for review – https://github.com/WordPress/performance/pull/981. Can someone please take a look. Thanks.
  • @spacedmonkey I am going to look into adding new functions for loading multiple networknetwork (versus site, blog) option at once. These plan to mirror the new options for site options. Everyone happy to add this to performance focus?
    • I also want to look into a ticket I created regarding changing how query caches are invalidated
    • At the moment, we use last change as a salt for cache keys. This results in validation but it also means for high traffic sites that generate lots of content, lots of keys being generated. So much so that people are turning the query caches off.
    • I want to find a way to reuse the same query cache keys even after invalidation. Instead of make a new cache and hoping a the existing one falls out of cache, reuse the same key and sort the last modified time as part of the object.

Our next chat will be held on Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 15:00 UTC in the #core-performance channel in Slack.

#core-performance, #performance, #performance-chat, #summary

Developer Blog editorial meeting summary, April 4, 2024

Summary of the WordPress Developer Blogblog (versus network, site) meeting, which took place in the  #core-dev-blog channel on the Make WordPress SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.. Start of the meeting in Slack.

Attendees: @greenshady, @matteoenna, @ironnysh, @colorful-tones, @magdalenapaciorek, @bph (as facilitator),

Last meeting notes: Developer Blog editorial meeting summary, March 7, 2024

Updates on the site

Authors reported a few hiccups with the code blockBlock Block is the abstract term used to describe units of markup that, composed together, form the content or layout of a webpage using the WordPress editor. The idea combines concepts of what in the past may have achieved with shortcodes, custom HTML, and embed discovery into a single consistent API and user experience.. As soon as you wanted to attach a programming language for color coding, extraneous <br> tags appeared and rendered the code block useless. @ndiego, @greenshady and the #meta team are working on it to get this fixed asap.

Newly published post since the last meeting:

Since the last meeting, we published quite a list of articles, and we onboarded new writers and received support from more reviewers. Three first time writers with @meszarosrob, @jsnajdr and @beafialho Thank you! 🎉

Huge “Thank you” to the writers and reviewers for bringing fabulous content to WordPress!

Project Status

Ready to for publishing

Reviews needed

In Progress:

Post on the To-do-list, assigned to writers.

Topics still in need of a writer

If you are interested in taking on a topic from this list or know someone who would be a good person to writer about them, comment on the Issue or pingPing The act of sending a very small amount of data to an end point. Ping is used in computer science to illicit a response from a target server to test it’s connection. Ping is also a term used by Slack users to @ someone or send them a direct message (DM). Users might say something along the lines of “Ping me when the meeting starts.” @bph in slack either in the #core-dev-blog channel or in a DM.

New Topics approved

@greenshady mentioned:

“There’s one other topic from last month that was not formally approved, @bph. I feel like with the additional info, we should probably take a look at it. (sorry for not bringing this up earlier): https://github.com/WordPress/developer-blog-content/discussions/230.”

There were no clear approval signals and seems the topic still needs clarification and will be revisited for next meeting.

Open Floor

Some clarification on the Playground articles/topics:

We originally had the topic approved:How to build a theme demo with WP Playground blueprints
Ronny took it on and wrote a fabulous Introduction/Overview of WordPress Playground. There was some discussion on how to proceed next. The consensus was that the Introduction post was a great post to have on the Developer Blog as each subsequent Playground tutorial could refer to it and doesn’t have to cover the basics anymore. Quite a few people from the Editorial group chimed in on the discussion and agreed to have it published. (note: the post is live now)

Ronny also wrote a Tutorial on How to use WordPress Playground for handovers. It was approved earlier. We still need a writer for How to build a theme demo with WP Playground blueprints 

Next meeting: May 2, 2024, at 13:00 UTC in the #core-dev-blog channel

Props to @greenshady for review of the post.

#meeting, #summary

Summary, Dev Chat, April 3, 2024

Start of the meeting in SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/., facilitated by @joemcgill.

Announcements

WordPress 6.5 “Regina” was released yesterday! Thank you to everyone who worked on, tested, and supported this release 🎉

Forthcoming Releases

Next major releasemajor release A release, identified by the first two numbers (3.6), which is the focus of a full release cycle and feature development. WordPress uses decimaling count for major release versions, so 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, and 3.1 are sequential and comparable in scope.: 6.6

We are officially in the WordPress 6.6 release cycle. @priethor published this WordPress 6.6 Planning Proposal & Call for Volunteers post last week. Please take note of the following callouts on that post:

  • Please leave your feedback about the schedule and release squad size in the comments by April 7th.
  • If you are interested in participating in WordPress 6.6’s release squad as a lead or as a cohort, please show interest in the comments, specifying the role and the type of involvement (lead/cohort).

@colorful-tones and @fabiankaegy will be covering and merging TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress./GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ Triagetriage The act of evaluating and sorting bug reports, in order to decide priority, severity, and other factors. for 6.6, and if anyone has any recommendations to streamline things for overall Triage to make lives easier, then please reach out to them.

For 6.6, we discussed considering not having a sticky post for the bugbug A bug is an error or unexpected result. Performance improvements, code optimization, and are considered enhancements, not defects. After feature freeze, only bugs are dealt with, with regressions (adverse changes from the previous version) being the highest priority. scrub schedule and instead ensuring the schedule is linked at the top of the main release page.

We also discussed 6.5.1, and noted that @jorbin published a post: Initial Bug Scrub for 6.5.1 for tomorrow. @fabiankaegy mentioned that the editor team have created this new board in GitHub to track any editor-related issues that may be candidates for a point releaseMinor Release A set of releases or versions having the same minor version number may be collectively referred to as .x , for example version 5.2.x to refer to versions 5.2, 5.2.1, 5.2.3, and all other versions in the 5.2 (five dot two) branch of that software. Minor Releases often make improvements to existing features and functionality.. Currently, there are 5 tickets with the backport to wp minor release label.

We also already have quite a few tickets targeted for the 6.5.1 milestone, so any eyes before the initial bug scrub will likely help that be more efficient.

Next Gutenberg release: 18.1

The next Gutenberg release will be 18.1, scheduled for release on April 10, and will include these issues.

Discussion

We began by discussing any potential follow-up actions and reflections following the recent 6.5 release. @fabiankaegy asked about starting a conversation about possibly evolving how we approach the field guideField guide The field guide is a type of blogpost published on Make/Core during the release candidate phase of the WordPress release cycle. The field guide generally lists all the dev notes published during the beta cycle. This guide is linked in the about page of the corresponding version of WordPress, in the release post and in the HelpHub version page. and dev notesdev note Each important change in WordPress Core is documented in a developers note, (usually called dev note). Good dev notes generally include a description of the change, the decision that led to this change, and a description of how developers are supposed to work with that change. Dev notes are published on Make/Core blog during the beta phase of WordPress release cycle. Publishing dev notes is particularly important when plugin/theme authors and WordPress developers need to be aware of those changes.In general, all dev notes are compiled into a Field Guide at the beginning of the release candidate phase. in future releases.

@jorbin has previously opened a related proposal to updating the field guide. We discussed where the most appropriate place was to start a conversation like this, and whether it sits more with CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress., Docs, or Project. As it touches on many different areas and how we do things within software release cycles, then it seems to fit more into the Core team’s scope.

@audrasjb suggested this may be good to discuss in the future #6-6-release-squad Slack channel so maybe the squad could discuss it in the open with the future Docs Leads and come up with a formal proposal for 6.6 on Make/Core.

@joemcgill also proposed arranging another release retrospective post to collect feedback about the release while it’s still fresh in people’s minds. @chanthaboune mentioned being able to do this in any way that works for folks. For 6.4, we collected the data in an anonymized format and then that data was shared on make/core, and we discussed potentially following a similar approach for 6.5.

Highlighted posts

The full list of posts from the last week in Core can be read on the agenda at this link.

Open floor

We started by highlighting this PR for the WP Importer in support of the Font Library from @mmaattiiaass.

@kkmuffme mentioned that they’re looking for reviews on several PRs, listed in this message and this message.

Two additional issues that were raised in the agenda comments were:

  • https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/15117 – “the excerptExcerpt An excerpt is the description of the blog post or page that will by default show on the blog archive page, in search results (SERPs), and on social media. With an SEO plugin, the excerpt may also be in that plugin’s metabox. regressionregression A software bug that breaks or degrades something that previously worked. Regressions are often treated as critical bugs or blockers. Recent regressions may be given higher priorities. A "3.6 regression" would be a bug in 3.6 that worked as intended in 3.5., that impacts all plugins incl. WooCommerce”
  • https://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/59270 – “adding border setting to columns”

This issue was highlighted: Responsive previewing and device-specific editing. Nolan asked what the best way was to make a decision on the issue, as this has been open for 4 years. @annezazu replied with:

I understand that’s an important issue — it has been for a long time! I know some designers have recently chimed in there and there’s some momentum gathering. The best thing to do at this point is to be specific and keep sharing what would be helpful. Beyond that, the main blockerblocker A bug which is so severe that it blocks a release. is finding solid design solutions and finding specific/targeted ways to implement as anything that is implemented has to be maintained.

Also, @webcommsat highlighted a forthcoming contributor dayContributor Day Contributor Days are standalone days, frequently held before or after WordCamps but they can also happen at any time. They are events where people get together to work on various areas of https://make.wordpress.org/ There are many teams that people can participate in, each with a different focus. https://2017.us.wordcamp.org/contributor-day/ https://make.wordpress.org/support/handbook/getting-started/getting-started-at-a-contributor-day/. which is looking for core input and people to join. More info on here on Slack.

Props to @joemcgill for reviewing.

#6-5, #6-6, #dev-chat, #summary

Performance Chat Summary: 2 April 2024

Meeting agenda here and the full chat log is available beginning here on Slack.

Announcements

Priority Items

Structure:

  • WordPress performance TracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress. tickets
    • Current release (WP 6.6)
  • Performance Lab pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party (and other performance plugins)
  • Active priority projects
    • INP research opportunities
    • Improve template loading

WordPress Performance Trac Tickets

  • For WordPress 6.6:
    • We have 14 open items in the 6.6 milestone
    • @joemcgill Given that we’re so early in the cycle, I think the most important thing to discuss is making sure we are making progress on any early tickets, and make sure that any tickets we need to add from our priority projects from our roadmap are included in the 6.6 milestone
    • @joemcgill #59442 is the main one that I’m unsure of, given that it has no owner and is marked early
      • @thekt12 and @spacedmonkey did some work on this, but it still needs some iteration and someone to own finishing it up.
      • @pbearne if no one else is free I can take it on
      • @thekt12 This is more of switching to old commit and adding unit testunit test Code written to test a small piece of code or functionality within a larger application. Everything from themes to WordPress core have a series of unit tests. Also see regression. for it. Should be an easy fix.

Performance Lab Plugin (and other Performance Plugins)

    Active Priority Projects

    Improve template loading

    INP research opportunities

    • @adamsilverstein nothing new from me this week, I’m still working on next steps from the research document I shared last week

    Open Floor

    • @flixos90 On and off over the past year, I’ve been working on a WordPress and performance field research Colab which I’d like to share. This Colab provides a technical introduction and a lot of examples to reference for querying HTTPHTTP HTTP is an acronym for Hyper Text Transfer Protocol. HTTP is the underlying protocol used by the World Wide Web and this protocol defines how messages are formatted and transmitted, and what actions Web servers and browsers should take in response to various commands. Archive and CrUX to get WordPress field data, e.g. for things like adoption, performance impact, CWV, …
      • The Colab is effectively already public, and I “silently” added a new short article to the Make Performance Handbook that for now includes it. I’ve also drafted a Make Core post, which I’d like to publish later this week for more visibility, as this can be relevant for any coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. developer.
      • Any feedback on the Colab as well as the new Handbook article and post draft would be much appreciated! Especially the post draft, as that will get more visibility via the Make Core subscribers.
      • If you’re interested in field performance research, you may want to review / work through the Colab in more depth. I’m intending for it to be a “living resource”, so it’ll be updated and expanded in the future. Thank you in advance!
    • @benoitfouc Performant Translationtranslation The process (or result) of changing text, words, and display formatting to support another language. Also see localization, internationalization. feature (I18Ni18n Internationalization, or the act of writing and preparing code to be fully translatable into other languages. Also see localization. Often written with a lowercase i so it is not confused with a lowercase L or the numeral 1. Often an acquired skill.) will avaible for all users with WP 5.6 soon. This feature increase a lot the average performance of all my french websites, thank you so much for working on it. Today WPML was release an update in order to be compatible with Performant Translation https://wpml.org/download/wpml-multilingual-cms/?section=changelog

    Our next chat will be held on Tuesday, April 9, 2024 at 15:00 UTC in the #core-performance channel in Slack.

    #core-performance, #performance, #performance-chat, #summary

    Summary, Dev Chat, March 27, 2024

    Start of the meeting in SlackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/., facilitated by @joemcgill.

    Announcements

    WordPress 6.5 was scheduled for release on March 26, 2024, however, the release has now been rescheduled for April 2, 2024. Thanks to everyone involved in the related discussions around delaying the release by one week. You can read more in this post.

    Forthcoming Releases

    Next major releasemajor release A release, identified by the first two numbers (3.6), which is the focus of a full release cycle and feature development. WordPress uses decimaling count for major release versions, so 2.8, 2.9, 3.0, and 3.1 are sequential and comparable in scope.: 6.5

    There was a lot of activity in the #core channel today with everyone coordinating efforts around 6.5. There is a good summary of the conversations from @desrosj on Slack here.

    Please continue to test the 6.5 release. See this list of key features to test, which was published alongside WP 6.5 BetaBeta A pre-release of software that is given out to a large group of users to trial under real conditions. Beta versions have gone through alpha testing in-house and are generally fairly close in look, feel and function to the final product; however, design changes often occur as part of the process. 3.

    Next GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ release: 18.1

    Gutenberg 18.0 was released on March 27 and included these issues. The next Gutenberg release will be 18.1, scheduled for release on April 10.

    Discussion

    We discussed the upcoming 6.5 RC4 scheduled for March 28, and we seem to be in really good shape. The following contributors are lined up to help:

    We revisited plans for the 6.6 release squad. @priethor has a drafted post ready to publish with further details, however we have delayed the call for volunteers whilst decisions were still being made around 6.5. Now that we are in a good place for 6.5, @priethor suggested that we consider posting the call for volunteers after the 6.5 RC4 release party. Please leave a comment with your thoughts.

    @jorbin shared that we’re still looking for a Gutenberg maintainer to help out with the 6.5 maintenance releases, but otherwise, we have all the pieces we need. The current release squad members are always welcome to help (but also understand that they may need a break). @jorbin also confirmed that the date for 6.5.1 is still being decided, but will avoid upcoming holidays where possible.

    Please leave a comment if you’re interested in being part of the 6.5 maintenance releases. There are more details in the handbook about what’s involved in being part of a release squad.

    Highlighted posts

    The full list of posts from the last week in CoreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. can be read on the agenda at this link.

    Open floor

    During the open floor, Shariar Mahmud Prince requested help with an issue with the meta box docs, and @marybaum helped open a docs issue.

    @joemcgill mentioned that the past several weeks have been intentionally focused on any discussion around WordPress 6.5, but we will soon have the bandwidth to discuss other topics and it would be great for those topics to be proposed by the attendees. Discussion topics can always be proposed in the comments of the agendas themselves, but @joemcgill and @mikachan would like to start to get a bit of a backlog of ideas to prioritize. We can do a call for topics posts, but would be happy to take any suggestions you have in the meantime.

    @jorbin raised the following potential topics:

    • How can we get PHP8 support completed and out of “compatible with exceptions”
    • Aligning the coding standards for Core and Gutenberg so that both can use the same tooling

    Tony Gravagno asked about improving the marketing around each WordPress release, especially about the release teams, and how people contribute to this huge effort in multiple cycles per year. @desrosj mentioned that there is a related ticket here, and @marybaum suggested that this fits well with the Marketing team’s new direction.

    Props to @joemcgill for reviewing.

    #6-5, #dev-chat, #summary