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Andrew Nacin 7:17 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink

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Jon Cave, who many of you know as duck_, is now a permanent committer, joining core developers @koopersmith and @dd32. He has been a guest committer for the last three WordPress cycles, and continues to grace all of us with great code and a sharp eye for both code review and security (he’s often found on Trac cleaning up my messes). He’s also a great guy and always willing to help. Twitter: @joncave.

Helen Hou-Sandí, who now simply goes by helen on Trac (and in WordCamp San Francisco keynotes), is now a guest committer for WordPress 3.6! She’s a committer with a focus area — front-end dev. She’s made a tremendous impact to WordPress core over the last year, working hard on the user interface, CSS, and accessibility, and running weekly meetings in #wordpress-ui. And, her code is pitch-perfect. (See what I did there, I made a music joke, since she’s also a collaborative pianist who studied at the Eastman School.) Twitter: @helenhousandi.

Congrats, both of you.

Nikolay Bachiyski, Tom Auger, Mike Schroder, and 28 others are discussing. Toggle Comments
- Ron Rennick 7:20 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  congrats
- Amy Hendrix (sabreuse) 7:24 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Where’s ma like button? Congrats, y’all!
- John Blackbourn (johnbillion) 7:24 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats!
- Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture) 7:30 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Awesome, congrats Jon & Helen!
- Tammy Hart 7:31 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats to both of you!
- Mika E. (Ipstenu at DreamHost) 7:33 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Yay!
- Justin Sternberg 7:34 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Well done guys! Both deserving!
- rachelbaker 7:36 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations!!
- Marko Heijnen 7:38 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations to you both !!! Well deserved
- Tareq Hasan 7:41 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations!
- Frank Bültge 7:44 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats!
- mt_Suzette 8:17 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations to two very talented people!
- Erick Hitter 8:22 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats to both of you! Recognition is well-deserved.
- Alex Mills (Viper007Bond) 9:03 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Well deserved!
- Lance Willett 9:17 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Totes deff deserved, yo. Brill!
- Mike Bijon 9:41 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats, and thank you for all the work done to earn this.
- Japh 9:56 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations to both of you! Very well deserved
- John Saddington 10:14 pm on December 18, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  congrats guys!
- Dan 12:13 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Big congrats!
- Andrea Rennick 12:14 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Whoooo!
- Ryan McCue 1:07 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations to you both!
- Philip Arthur Moore 4:26 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Awesome news. Congrats, gang.
- Konstantin Kovshenin 6:05 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Great news
- Jeremy Herve 9:22 am on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats to both of you!
- Xavier Borderie 1:05 pm on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Round of applause!
- Ian Stewart 5:17 pm on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations!
- Sergey Biryukov 6:17 pm on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats
- Mike Schroder 9:04 pm on December 19, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congrats! Nice! Looks like I missed this yesterday
- Tom Auger 9:26 pm on December 20, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Way to go both of you! Much deserved.
- Nikolay Bachiyski 10:37 am on December 28, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Congratulations!
Andrew Nacin 10:49 am on December 10, 2012 Permalink
Tags: 3.5 ( 23 ), heavy hearts ( 2 ), test me plz, TinyMCE ( 13 )
WordPress 3.5 RC6 is out. Please, if you can (and earlier the better), hammer on TinyMCE with the most ridiculous object and embed tags you can find, and anything HTML5. (Here’s a zip for the nightly build.)

What’s important in RC6? After a good first attempt last week (#22790), we took another stab (#22842) at fixing TinyMCE’s handling of, well, ridiculous object and embed tags. Our goal right now is to ensure that nothing breaks in 3.5 that worked in 3.4.2. So, go find your best embed spaghetti* and make sure nothing breaks.**
- Very easy to test: Go to the “Text “tab, paste something in, head to the Visual tab, confirm things don’t look broken, head back to the “Text” tab, see if it looks mangled, head back to Visual, confirm things don’t look broken. Remember, we are looking for regressions, so also check 3.4.2 to see if it occurs there.
** Breaks means the embed disappears in whole or part, or there’s a JavaScript error, or your computer starts smoking. Whitespace and other HTML changes do/will happen (contents may settle during shipping). Of course, your content should never be damaged, as that’s just no fun.

What happened to the last two RCs? We generally try to do a “soft” or “silent” RC at the very end of a cycle. We’re confident we’ve gotten the testing it needs, but we’d like to enter a 24-hour period where there are no more changes to trunk. Having a cleaner version number provides for a good line in the sand, and can help in case some blocker bug report comes in. Of course this time, we’ve stuttered a few times. TinyMCE hell was RC4. A few final changes on Friday (after we decided to not release) resulted in RC5. And the second round of TinyMCE hell is RC6.

This also means our new target is Tuesday, December 11. We’ll again convene at 10 a.m. Eastern to see if the winds are blowing in our direction. (Even NASA needs good weather.)

And hey, on the bright side:

WordPress 3.5 now runs a custom TinyMCE schema tailored to the HTML5 living standard. We audited the whole spec to keep your content intact.

— Daryl Koopersmith (@koop) December 10, 2012
Ryan Markel, Andrew Nacin, memuller, and 11 others are discussing. Toggle Comments
- Nick 12:06 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Just updated to WordPress 3.5 RC6 and conducted the above mentioned test… Nothing broken. Looks fine for me!
- Xavier Borderie 12:40 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Insane work you’ve all accomplished again, guys! Congratulations and thank you!
- Ryan Markel 1:16 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Casual thought: we need HTML-mangle unit tests so we aren’t caught off-guard by TinyMCE weirdness in future releases.
  - Andrew Nacin 1:43 pm on December 11, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Absolutely. We should start thinking about real unit-testing from this angle.
    - Ryan Markel 3:57 pm on December 12, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
      
      I would be happy to help with this in the 3.6 cycle.
- Jane Wells 2:35 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  I’m thinking that @nacin and @koopersmith should submit a speaking proposal about this experience to the O’Reilly Fluent Conference. Proposals are due today, conference is May in San Francisco. http://fluentconf.com/fluent2013
- mordauk 4:17 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Works perfectly for me so far.
- Ipstenu (Mika Epstein) 4:39 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Banging on it without any errors so far. I’ve even gone to test my psycho code posts on halfelf. While it doesn’t work when I switch between posts that have a mondo amount of code (like I quote a whole MU plugin), it works better than it did on 3.4.2, so (1) not a regression (2) improvement!
  
  (The tl;dr of “If you have lots and lots of code in posts, tinyMCE is not your friend” remains, and that ain’t us, it’s them.)
- paolal 5:15 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Tried to break it with many embeds, but it worked flawlessly. Thanks for all the work you are doing!
- michaelha 5:27 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  @nacin thanks for the update
- tjsix 6:26 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Trying out various combinations I found that if a nested tag inside a parent with attributes will be removed if it is empty, even if it has attributes of it’s own. I’ve tried this with just about every tag I could think of that would potentially be an empty element, i.e. divs, spans, i’s (for icon fonts), anchors all of which could conceivably be an element element and styled with a background image/font via css.
  - Robert Chapin (miqrogroove) 8:01 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    If it also happens in 3.4.2 it is not relelvant to this RC6. Sounds like it was working as expected!
  - helen 8:07 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Yep, happens in 3.4.2.
- Eric Hoanshelt 8:00 pm on December 10, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Looking good so far!
- memuller 1:08 am on December 11, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Tested with some crazy posts from members on my WP Network. There are issues, but I’m pretty sure there are no regressions.
Andrew Nacin 11:11 pm on September 25, 2012 Permalink
Tags: agenda ( 83 )
Please suggest items for the Wednesday, September 26, dev chat.

Suggested reading: Countdown to 3.5 Beta 1 and Timeline for Twenty Twelve 1.0.

Updated. Agenda topics based on the comment thread:
- #21951 – Twenty Twelve – Conditionals in one template versus more templates but less logic
- #21101 – get_comments() – comment_approved versus status
- #18302 – theme_uri() with child theme inheritance
- #22002 – Plugin favorites via the plugin installer screen
An incomplete list of things that need to land before beta 1:
- ~~Welcome screen v2~~
- Color picker (even if it is the initial pass; we can follow up after with @mattwiebe’s changes)
- ~~Retina spinners~~ (more likely people can find bugs)
- Page on front UI
- Multisite in a subdirectory
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- Andrew Nacin 11:15 pm on September 25, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  I think I am outnumbered on #21951 but I am curious what others think. Conditionals in one template versus more templates but less logic.
- TomasM 12:29 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  I hope after release Twenty Twelve will return to GitHub
  
  It’s much more fun to participate over there than on Trac.
  - Andrew Nacin 5:22 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Sorry Trac isn’t as fun for you. Twenty Twelve, Eleven, and Ten will continue to be maintained on Trac for the foreseeable future.
- Scott Taylor 3:59 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Few things I haven’t marked 3.5 that have patches and might still be good candidates:
  
  What’s up with this one (term cache semi-overhaul)? #21760 – also fixes #11531.
  
  The RegEx for slurping URLs out of post_content for pings / trackbacks is old / ghetto / not robust, I replaced it here: #9064, also fixes #15549.
  
  Meta Query doesn’t currently CAST order by value when meta_type is passed: #21621, related #15031
  
  Post metadata action bug: #11683
  - Andrew Nacin 5:32 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Ryan and I might tackle #21760 during beta. #9064 seems pretty low priority. I commented to #21621. #11683 is news to me.
- Andrew Nacin 5:23 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #21101 — get_comments(), comment_approved versus status.
- Andrew Nacin 5:24 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #18302 — theme_uri() with child theme inheritance, etc. Do we want this? Need this? Do we know exactly what use cases make sense and we want to support? Or is this a punt?
- Drew Jaynes (DrewAPicture) 7:09 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Dialogue on #19956 would be nice. I seem to recall the link/button _used_ to say Add Media. Some people seem to think it should make a comeback.
  - Andrew Nacin 7:32 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    @koopersmith is almost done with attachment inserting (into the editor) and editing (from the editor). The next step is to then add a new button for the 3.5 media workflow next to the old 3.4 button. (Obviously, only for beta.) So I’ve just been waiting for him to drop something in.
    
    After, it’ll get covered in a UI chat and will be part of user testing by @lessbloat.
- Otto 11:26 am on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #21914 is simple enough that I’d like to get it into 3.5 if possible. I’ll be around to talk about it.
  - Andrew Nacin 4:50 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    This could use some basic unit tests, if only so the changes are clearly understandable with examples. I’m sold, otherwise.
- John Blackbourn (johnbillion) 3:19 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #21632 – has anyone (@MarkJaquith?) contact Imgur about their maxwidth/maxheight problem? (Sorry, pot this comment in the wrong thread earlier)
- Otto 3:34 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #22002 – Plugin Favorites on the plugin installer screen
  - Japh 5:31 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    +1
- Beau Lebens 4:24 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  No ticket currently, but — addition of a “Location” post format, for post which are primarily centered around a location (likely indicated with the recommended geo_latitude and geo_longitude postmeta).
  - Andrew Nacin 4:48 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Hmm. This sounds like a “Status” with geolocation. At the very least, a geolocation API should come first, I’d think.
- John Blackbourn (johnbillion) 7:25 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  I wonder if we should discuss the post format issue again which didn’t make it into discussion the other week as we ran out of time. Twenty Twelve doesn’t support all post formats and either a) it should or b) we should consider the admin UI displaying all formats regardless of the active theme.
- Andrew Ozz 8:10 pm on September 26, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  How about #19845? The base code works well but drag-drop in the editor uploading would need to be integrated with the new media after all of it gets in.
Andrew Nacin 3:08 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink
Tags: 3.5 ( 23 ), agenda ( 83 )

Please suggest agenda items for today’s chat. We will be going over every 3.5 project and task today, to decide if our time and energy is best allocated across what remains on the table.

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- George Stephanis 3:46 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/18302 ? Plz to haz? If someone can force PHPUnit onto my lappy at WCBaltimore, I’ll write the unit tests then.
  - John Blackbourn (johnbillion) 4:34 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    
    Yeah I’m dieing to get this in. The latest discussion in that ticket actually relates to which JS files should be overwritable in the bundled themes, which I think could/should go into a separate ticket.
- John Blackbourn (johnbillion) 4:46 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Starting here there was a good discussion last week in #wordpress-dev about Twenty Twelve not supporting all the post formats. As it turns out, neither does Twenty Eleven, but Twelve supports fewer than Eleven.
  
  The discussion ended up being whether or not the admin interface should show all post formats regardless of which are supported by the current theme. I think we should discuss whether or not Twelve should support all the formats that Eleven does, and potentially the admin interface issue too.
- conservativeread 7:57 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  #vers. #21796 nav bar menu dissapeared upon update can not replace tryed default themes and using swift v. 6.2.3 dissapeared from home and all pages
- conservativeread 8:02 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  problen on 3.5 #vers. #21796 nav bar menu dissapeared upon update can not replace tryed default themes and using swift v. 6.2.3 dissapeared from home and all pages
- Andrew Nacin 8:11 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  Full list of projects: http://make.wordpress.org/core/wordpress-3-5-teams-and-tasks/
  
  Things we need to discuss today:
  - Theme screenshots — Do we add 2x JS support, or just ask authors to ship a 2x’d image?
  - Update button styles — #21598. Do we like these?
  - Customizer accessibility — #21283. We need someone on this.
  - Visible :focus in admin screens — #21324. Where are we? We need resources here.
  - Screen Options/Help — #21583. Do we like these? We need to make sure we have resources in place if so.
  - XML-RPC User management — What should we actually include in 3.5?
  - Standard post type UI for attachments — #21391. How are we doing?
  - Plupload changes — Anyone want to play with Plupload?
  - New media workflow needs people for integration and testing. By the time we get to this in the agenda, @koopersmith will have spawned a number of Trac tickets.
  - Andrew Nacin 8:12 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    Based on feedback above, adding:
    - theme_url() — #18302
    - Twenty Twelve post formats.
    #21796 is a standard bug we need to fix; no need for it to be part of the meeting.
  - Andrew Nacin 8:23 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
    Sorry, also:
    - Retina uploads, backgrounds, headers, featured images. #21455, #21389, #21038.
- Andrew Ozz 8:24 pm on September 5, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Thinking we should add the search improvement tickets #7394 and #21688 for 3.5 too. That’s a “low-hanging” thing that would improve searching in WordPress a lot. Can be moved later to 3.6 if they don’t work well or take too much time.
- Michel - xiligroup dev 6:32 am on September 6, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  Suggestion : improvement in “sealing” (étanchéité in french) of ” global” var $wp_rewrite between sites in multisite context – see http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/21219 when switching to another blog. This purpose opens the general question of global vars in WP architecture.
- GrahamArmfield 10:29 am on September 6, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
  
  I’ve mentioned it before but I’ll mention it again – accessibility of Custom Menu builder – #21289. It’s currently not possible for those using screen readers to successfully create their own custom menus with a hierarchy that features anything other than top level items. As it relies on drag and drop it can also be fraught for sighted keyboard users unless they are familiar with mouse keys functionality.
  
  I know this is a big one, but is anyone looking at it? Surely it’s more key to maintaining your website then customizing your theme – something that is being looked at.

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