Jonathan Bossenger 8:33 am on July 9, 2020
Tags: agenda ( 994 ), feature-notifications ( 49 )

WP Notify – next steps

Now that we have finalized the initial requirements for the WP Notify project, it’s time to kick of the project build.

I would therefore like to open the floor for suggestions on how best to move forward. I have some initial comments/questions, that I would like to gather feedback on.

We should probably start with designing/prototyping what the various pieces will look like.
- What software will we use for design/prototyping
- How will we gather feedback to the designs.
As discussed in our requirements document, this will be built as a feature pluginFeature Plugin A plugin that was created with the intention of eventually being proposed for inclusion in WordPress Core. See Features as Plugins.. We therefore need to start the process of deciding on where/how this pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party will be built
- Will we use GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/, or WordPress style svn + tracTrac An open source project by Edgewall Software that serves as a bug tracker and project management tool for WordPress.?
- Are we able to start developing the framework of the plugin/making development decisions?
It would be ideal if we could identify/select two separate reps for these efforts, a technical rep to manage the plugin development and a design rep to manage the design efforts.
- How will we select these folks?
- Do we have any candidates?
- It’s important to note that these reps could change over time, but for now I’m just considering how we deal with making decisions.
Is it time to resurrect the weekly meetings?

Please feel free to leave your comments/suggestions here, I’ll leave comments open for 1 week until Thursday, July 16, 2020, 20:00 UTC, and then use the feedback to help us define our next steps.

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MB Creation 8:50 am on July 9, 2020

Hi Jonathan, this is the first time i hear about that feature that sounds very promising ! Digging on the internet I found this google doc : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SoIaFqXkXiVzq5mizbZQafMfL36bD0WKj8iwYM823MI/edit#heading=h.5sf8tgrl372a
Is it still relevant ?
Would you describe wp notify as some sort of internal messaging system or more like a real time thing ?
Have a good day,
Benoit.
- Erin 'Folletto' Casali 11:14 am on July 10, 2020
  
  That’s the doc linked at the top of the post, so yes. 😉
  I’m not sure what do you mean with “messaging system or real time”, can you expand?
  - apedog 5:02 pm on July 10, 2020
    
    I believe he’s asking if this will be “internal” – an APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. for plugins/code to render their notices. (Which it will be).
    Or “real time” – if this will be a push notifications system (live – from wp-server to browser-client). (I don’t think this is in the cards at the moment, right?)
- Jonathan Bossenger 6:18 pm on July 11, 2020
  
  @mbcreation thanks for asking, I see @folletto has already confirmed the link, but I’ve updated the original post with it as well.
  
  As the document describes, The goal of WP Notify is to create a new (better) way to manage and deliver notifications to the relevant audience.
  
  So it could end up being real time, for now we’re focusing an an entirely different way of managing and handle WP Adminadmin (and super admin) notifications.
  
  I think we all can agree that the current implementation (admin_notices) is just not up to the task of successfully and unobtrusively handling all the notifications that plugins and themes create.
Pascal Birchler 9:17 am on July 9, 2020

For the feature pluginFeature Plugin A plugin that was created with the intention of eventually being proposed for inclusion in WordPress Core. See Features as Plugins., just get someone to create a WordPress/wp-notify GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ repo for you.
- Hendrik Luehrsen 12:55 pm on July 9, 2020
  
  Yes, please use git. It makes contributing so much more accessible.
- Jeffrey Paul 1:57 pm on July 9, 2020
  
  On this, I suspect asking for the repo in #metaMeta Meta is a term that refers to the inside workings of a group. For us, this is the team that works on internal WordPress sites like WordCamp Central and Make WordPress. should hopefully get someone to create the repo properly for you.
  - Jonathan Bossenger 6:18 pm on July 11, 2020
    
    Thanks @jeffpaul everyone seems to agree that GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ is the way forward, so I will ask the relevant folks there.
    - john zenith 11:49 am on August 4, 2020
      
      Am late to the discussion but I would love to express my desire to contribute to the development.
- Michael Bissett 1:04 am on July 10, 2020
  
  I vote for GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ as well.
Tim Hengeveld 9:54 am on July 9, 2020

Great to see this moving forward again. I’d love to help out in the design again, I did a bunch of mockups for this already together with Alain Schlesser in our previous effort to get this made. Not sure I can commit to being a lead yet, but it’s up for consideration.

As software goes, I’d go with Figma as that’s what the design team uses. It has a library of our design components in it and it has great collaboration and in-doc feedback features.

To get that feedback, maybe we start by bringing the designs to the design team meeting each week, and when we have a solid iteration we write a post to cast a wider net? I’m not sure how to get a good representative amount of people to input, maybe the design team or marketing has more ideas on that.
- Erin 'Folletto' Casali 11:16 am on July 10, 2020
  
  We should have everything in the open from the start.
  
  If we have a GitHubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ repo setup as it seems to be, we can have them discussed and reviewed there, and that would be the primary place for feedback, similar to how GutenbergGutenberg The Gutenberg project is the new Editor Interface for WordPress. The editor improves the process and experience of creating new content, making writing rich content much simpler. It uses ‘blocks’ to add richness rather than shortcodes, custom HTML etc. https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ does things.
  
  Everything else then builds on that: weekly calls, Make posts, etc.
- Jonathan Bossenger 6:21 pm on July 11, 2020
  
  To get that feedback, maybe we start by bringing the designs to the design team meeting each week, and when we have a solid iteration we write a post to cast a wider net?
  
  That’s not a bad idea, I think what we’ll probably do is start with some designs, based on what we’ve defined as our initial requirements, and then have a call for feedback post on the make/design blogblog (versus network, site).
  
  What might also be useful is if it would be possible to take your original designs, and update them to reflect what we have in our requirements document, as a starting point.
apedog 10:47 am on July 9, 2020
I’m willing to take up the following slackSlack Slack is a Collaborative Group Chat Platform https://slack.com/. The WordPress community has its own Slack Channel at https://make.wordpress.org/chat/.:
- Prototype a pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party that collects notices within existing screen-meta-links tabs
- Work to have wp-coreCore Core is the set of software required to run WordPress. The Core Development Team builds WordPress. introduce support for adding items/panels to screen-meta-links natively.
- Work on APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. to add WP notices by passing strings and parameters (as opposed to current implementation where plugins print their own HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers. notices).
- Hendrik Luehrsen 12:58 pm on July 9, 2020
  
  Work on APIAPI An API or Application Programming Interface is a software intermediary that allows programs to interact with each other and share data in limited, clearly defined ways. to add WP notices by passing strings and parameters (as opposed to current implementation where plugins print their own HTMLHTML HyperText Markup Language. The semantic scripting language primarily used for outputting content in web browsers. notices).
  
  This is probably one of the first tasks that need to be tackled: Determine which information is usually been shown and how to wrap that into a standartised format. Once we know the kind and scope of information we want to show we can start a feedback loopLoop The Loop is PHP code used by WordPress to display posts. Using The Loop, WordPress processes each post to be displayed on the current page, and formats it according to how it matches specified criteria within The Loop tags. Any HTML or PHP code in the Loop will be processed on each post. https://codex.wordpress.org/The_Loop. with design, ux and a11yAccessibility Accessibility (commonly shortened to a11y) refers to the design of products, devices, services, or environments for people with disabilities. The concept of accessible design ensures both “direct access” (i.e. unassisted) and “indirect access” meaning compatibility with a person’s assistive technology (for example, computer screen readers). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility).
  - Jonathan Bossenger 6:23 pm on July 11, 2020
    
    Early on in our discussions it was agreed that we didnt want to spend time on anything that might end up being discarded, so I’m not sure if we want to look at fixing the current admin_notices in any way, and rather focus on building a better solution.
    
    We can always open up the discussion again though. I just wouldn’t want to loose focus.
Scott Bolinger 3:08 pm on July 9, 2020

I’m happy to help on the technical/implementation side of things, as well as collecting feedback from pluginPlugin A plugin is a piece of software containing a group of functions that can be added to a WordPress website. They can extend functionality or add new features to your WordPress websites. WordPress plugins are written in the PHP programming language and integrate seamlessly with WordPress. These can be free in the WordPress.org Plugin Directory https://wordpress.org/plugins/ or can be cost-based plugin from a third-party authors on what features could or should be included.

One thing that concerns me is that many plugin authors don’t use the admin_notices hook, so it’s not possible to catch them all. I’m not sure that there’s anything we can do about that.
- Michael Bissett 11:25 pm on July 9, 2020
  
  Do you have any examples of plugins that don’t use this hook? I’d be glad to have a look & see if there’s a way to catch those too.
  - Ipstenu (Mika Epstein) 11:51 pm on July 9, 2020
    
    https://github.com/collizo4sky/persist-admin-notices-dismissal comes to mind as a common library (I’m blanking on if they use the hook or not at the moment)
    - Michael Bissett 12:27 am on July 10, 2020
      
      It uses the admin_notices hook to add in the dismissal options, so it looks to be okay.
Mark D Wolinski 3:48 pm on July 9, 2020

I’ll be glad to help how I can, I’m more a project manager then a developer, but can certainly contribute to design ideas as well.
Erin 'Folletto' Casali 11:18 am on July 10, 2020

I’m unlikely to have the time to lead the design here, but I’d be more thank happy to work as a 2nd designer on this to support the decisions, progress, and help with the overall flows and organization.
- Jonathan Bossenger 6:25 pm on July 11, 2020
  
  Booooo, I was secretly hoping to be able to persuade you into the gig 🙂
  
  Jokes aside, I do understand, and perhaps just having more folks with solid design/user interface experience will be beneficial all round (I’m neither)
Paal Joachim Romdahl 4:34 pm on July 10, 2020

I too would like to help out with design and more.
Btw having the project on GithubGitHub GitHub is a website that offers online implementation of git repositories that can easily be shared, copied and modified by other developers. Public repositories are free to host, private repositories require a paid subscription. GitHub introduced the concept of the ‘pull request’ where code changes done in branches by contributors can be reviewed and discussed before being merged be the repository owner. https://github.com/ would as someone said make it more transparent and it would also be easier to contribute to various issues.
- Jonathan Bossenger 7:30 am on July 14, 2020
  
  @paaljoachim more design help is always welcome!

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